Thoughts on Jordan Peterson

[Raver]

It is true that income inequality is increasing. It is true that quality of life is suffering by some metrics. It is true that some cultural and ethnic groups are over-represented in various fields. But it is completely fallacious to then decide to universally pin societal ills on general cultural and ethnic groups, just because they may be over-represented in powerful positions. People of any given ethnic group don't choose to be greedy or abuse their power in a higher position because they are a member of that ethnic group, they do so because they are human, and human nature is such that power corrupts all.

It's understandable why people jump to these conclusions - it's remarkably easy to pontificate about all the "goddamn Jews" controlling financial institutions and the media, likewise for how all white people are out to repress and hold back minorities with their microaggressions, likewise for how all Asian people are going to take our STEM jobs, likewise for how your new Muslim neighbors are going to impose their Sharia law on you because of some misquoted excerpt from a book you haven't read and don't understand, etc, etc. (I'm speaking in absurd generalities here but my point should be quite clear). It's harder to accept that people that look a bit different from you are humans too, and they are subject to the same moral shortcomings as everyone else, including yourself.

Seriously, does anybody truly believe that if they had the same life experiences as, say, a banker that happens to be Jewish, that they would be some Robin Hood for all the common people? That might only happen if a day laborer were to wake up tomorrow and suddenly be an investment banker worth millions (and even then there's no guarantee). Banking requires constant foresight, awareness, and competition. There's little room for charity if you want to be successful.

When people start speaking in blanket statements about groups of people and start playing the blame game, they tend to really do themselves a disservice in having their other more reasoned arguments be heard by others.

I don't disagree with your general message. In the end of the day, it is only the bad apples of an ethnic group in power causing problems for society. They may be of one ethnic group or of several ethnic groups, we simply don't know.

However, I think it is fine to put our ire on those with power and money that seek to subjugate us (it can be the government, corporations or something unknown), ethnicity whether relevant or not in this scenario is not a factor though.

I also agree that it is human nature to take advantage of power regardless of the ethnic group involved. We also should not attack an entire ethnic group, which is silly considering that only a minority within that ethnic group are harmful.

[sbbds]

Even if the Jews controlled everything what is the point of complaining about it. Making yourself look prejudiced (excellent idea for a straight white male in society now!!) and wallowing in self-pity? Spreading that pain and self-pity to others? Oh you’re a loser? What do you want others to say, “#MeToo, boohoo”?

Making excuses is the best way to stay poor forever. GLHF!

No. What you do is suck it up, quit whining and leverage everything you can. Otherwise you deserve to be wiped out compared to those who, instead of complaining about others, are silently hauling ass day in day out to get out of their situation. Also, a lot of the time so-called limitations that society has “given you” don’t really exist or can be transformed into advantages if you push and search hard enough. If you have already decided you’re fucked already, all you do is dig your own grave.

Like if you’re a tall, non-stupid, non-ugly straight white male AND you’re uncircumcised. What more do you need???? Just because you believe you’re a bit poor, well then what does that make the rest of us LOL. Jesus Christ. If you aren’t willing to give concessions in how you relate to other people, I don’t expect that you’re making the necessary concessions in your life that you need to be taking if you want to get ahead. Period. It tells me, no, you DON’T know “the struggle”. You don’t want to win or to get out bad enough. How the fuck did you afford all your toys, time to game and pursue your hobbies, and time to go on the forum? What’s next lol. Do you have a swimming pool in your backyard? What else is new. RIP and good riddance. Learn or die, like all other people who have undergone oppression throughout human history.

Plus even if you’re gonna perish, you wanna do it without ever really trying, while blaming the Jews? LOL. The worst, most undignified ****** way to die.

[Muddy]

Even if the Jews controlled everything what is the point of complaining about it. Making yourself look prejudiced (excellent idea for a straight white male in society now!!) and wallowing in self-pity? Spreading that pain and self-pity to others? Oh you’re a loser? What do you want others to say, “#MeToo, boohoo”?

Making excuses is the best way to stay poor forever. GLHF!

No. What you do is suck it up, quit whining and leverage everything you can. Otherwise you deserve to be wiped out compared to those who, instead of complaining about others, are silently hauling ass day in day out to get out of their situation. Also, a lot of the time so-called limitations that society has “given you” don’t really exist or can be transformed into advantages if you push and search hard enough. If you have already decided you’re fucked already, all you do is dig your own grave.

Like if you’re a tall, non-stupid, non-ugly straight white male AND you’re uncircumcised. What more do you need???? Just because you believe you’re a bit poor, well then what does that make the rest of us LOL. Jesus Christ. If you aren’t willing to give concessions in how you relate to other people, I don’t expect that you’re making the necessary concessions in your life that you need to be taking if you want to get ahead. Period. It tells me, no, you DON’T know “the struggle”. You don’t want to win or to get out bad enough. How the fuck did you afford all your toys, time to game and pursue your hobbies, and time to go on the forum? What’s next lol. Do you have a swimming pool in your backyard? What else is new. RIP and good riddance. Learn or die, like all other people who have undergone oppression throughout human history.

Plus even if you’re gonna perish, you wanna do it without ever really trying, while blaming the Jews? LOL. The worst, most undignified ****** way to die.

I brought up the jews because the vast majority of people don't know anything about them and why anti-semitism ever became a thing in the first place. My point was to showcase how Peterson, seen by some as a bold revolutionary philosopher challenging, is really puppet towards general consensus and is a coward when it comes to approaching the truly controversial topics.

You are simply not understanding not me at all about the work/capitalism, though I don't blame as what I'm talking about is bit complicated and I didn't fully explain myself.

To make myself clear, thing the arguing I'm about is why I think we should have a Nationalistic/fascist government and economy over the pseudo democratic globalist corporate-oligarchy of today.

The idea behind nationalism/fascism is not just about taking from the rich to make the poor wealthy, which is the domain socialism/communism, but to instead motivate and inspire the poor into productivity through cultivating national brotherhood and focusing on making work more humane. Modern capitalism motivates people mainly through their materialistic desires which leads to gluttony, indulgence in shallow pleasures, toxic work environment that squeeze workers of all the energy for the benefit of the company, anti-consumerist practices, employees backstabbing each other to climb ladders, etc. Fascism seeks maximum symbiosis between the people and the state, and as such companies are no longer permitted to act to the detriment of the people, nor are homeless losers ignored on the streets.

Anyway what I'm talking about requires taking a whole other perspective and historical and philosophical digging to understand fully so I'll stop. In my view of things, "suck it up" is the defeatist mindset, not the other way around.

[Sisyphean]

To make myself clear, thing the arguing I'm about is why I think we should have a Nationalistic/fascist government and economy over the pseudo democratic globalist corporate-oligarchy of today.

The idea behind nationalism/fascism is not just about taking from the rich to make the poor wealthy, which is the domain socialism/communism, but to instead motivate and inspire the poor into productivity through cultivating national brotherhood and focusing on making work more humane. Modern capitalism motivates people mainly through their materialistic desires which leads to gluttony, indulgence in shallow pleasures, toxic work environment that squeeze workers of all the energy for the benefit of the company, anti-consumerist practices, employees backstabbing each other to climb ladders, etc. Fascism seeks maximum symbiosis between the people and the state, and as such companies are no longer permitted to act to the detriment of the people, nor are homeless losers ignored on the streets.

"Our social welfare system is so much more than just charity. Because we do not say to the rich people: Please, give something to the poor. Instead we say: German people, help yourself! Everyone must help, whether you are rich or poor! Everyone must have the belief that there’s always someone in a much ... worse situation than I am, and this person I want to help as a comrade.”

[sbbds]

I brought up the jews because the vast majority of people don't know anything about them and why anti-semitism ever became a thing in the first place. My point was to showcase how Peterson, seen by some as a bold revolutionary philosopher challenging, is really puppet towards general consensus and is a coward when it comes to approaching the truly controversial topics.

You are simply not understanding not me at all about the work/capitalism, though I don't blame as what I'm talking about is bit complicated and I didn't fully explain myself.

To make myself clear, thing the arguing I'm about is why I think we should have a Nationalistic/fascist government and economy over the pseudo democratic globalist corporate-oligarchy of today.

The idea behind nationalism/fascism is not just about taking from the rich to make the poor wealthy, which is the domain socialism/communism, but to instead motivate and inspire the poor into productivity through cultivating national brotherhood and focusing on making work more humane. Modern capitalism motivates people mainly through their materialistic desires which leads to gluttony, indulgence in shallow pleasures, toxic work environment that squeeze workers of all the energy for the benefit of the company, anti-consumerist practices, employees backstabbing each other to climb ladders, etc. Fascism seeks maximum symbiosis between the people and the state, and as such companies are no longer permitted to act to the detriment of the people, nor are homeless losers ignored on the streets.

Anyway what I'm talking about requires taking a whole other perspective and historical and philosophical digging to understand fully so I'll stop. In my view of things, "suck it up" is the defeatist mindset, not the other way around.

Yeah yeah, you bitching manchild. Spend less money and time on guns and gaming first.

[Muddy]

Yeah yeah, you bitching manchild. Spend less money and time on guns and gaming first.

I love this really. Here I am, a fascist, the so-called devil to human kind, and yet here you are, a supporter benign American capitalism, who can do literally do nothing but assault with ad hominems. I feel sorry that you have been sucked so much into this dysfunctional, neurotically driven society that grants prestige to individuals based on their accumulation of material and wealth rather then virtues like honor, bravery, honesty, benevolence and loyalty. That was what the samurai era Japanese built their society around, and it gave them centuries of rich culture, happiness and meaning unlike what we have today.

[Sisyphean]

I love this really. Here I am, a fascist, the so-called devil to human kind, and yet here you are, a supporter benign American capitalism, who can do literally do nothing but assault with ad hominems. I feel sorry that you have been sucked so much into this dysfunctional, neurotically driven society that grants prestige to individuals based on their accumulation of material and wealth rather then virtues like honor, bravery, honesty, benevolence and loyalty. That was what the samurai era Japanese built their society around, and it gave them centuries of rich culture, happiness and meaning unlike what we have today.

Disregard mis-typed LIEs. Acquire Carl Schmitt's society and the Fascist Aesthetic.

[sbbds]

I love this really. Here I am, a fascist, the so-called devil to human kind, and yet here you are, a supporter benign American capitalism, who can do literally do nothing but assault with ad hominems. I feel sorry that you have been sucked so much into this dysfunctional, neurotically driven society that grants prestige to individuals based on their accumulation of material and wealth rather then virtues like honor, bravery, honesty, benevolence and loyalty. That was what the samurai era Japanese built their society around, and it gave them centuries of rich culture, happiness and meaning unlike what we have today.

This is so contradictory.

If you’re in a tight situation, you don’t have time to care about honor and bravery LOL. So you basically confirm you’re full of it with regard to not trying hard enough.

Also Japanese society is not built around samurai concepts you weeb. I reiterate, spend less time on gaming.

[sbbds]

Yeah in my experience people who complain that they’re poor are full of shit lol. I don’t buy it at all.

If you’re really poor, that’s something you try to HIDE

It’s a wolf that wears sheeps clothing. Natural instinct is to hide your weaknesses and illnesses, not to display them. You’re just making excuses.

But yeah with a stupid ass mentality you’ll become poor for certain even if you never were in the first place LOL. Oh well, #byebitch!!

[sbbds]

Sorry, I just hate this kind of defeatist mentality. If I had it, I’d be dead by now. I hate being reminded of it. You need to find someone who will show you the light at the end of the tunnel.

[perpetuus]

I don't really see any evidence of Peterson being anti-semitic. If anything, the opposite, as he has that weird almost fetish-like adoration for Jewish people that I've also noticed in a lot evangelical circles (having been a member of a church years ago). There's a reason alt right and white nationalist people on places like 4chan jokingly refer to him as Jordan "Peterstein"--they generally see him as allied with their perceived enemies (in the form of what they consider "controlled opposition"), based on his own comments on Jews in the past.

[sbbds]

You’re basically living your life as the male counterpart to an obese SJW woman. Ad hominem but true.

And at least I can assault you with ad hominems, which are true and funny as fuck, while you can’t do anything.

[sbbds]

But actually you can do something, which is to stop being a fucking loser.

[Muddy]

But actually you can do something, which is to stop being a fucking loser.

First off why did you make the presumption of me complaining about being poor? Is that your own neurotic thoughts towards being "successful" in the eyes of society today being projected? I never said anywhere here that I was poor. I'll admit, I do think my situation leaves some to be desired but for you to judge me as a loser when you have no precise knowledge of my situation is completely thickheaded. I not speaking solely about things that effect me personally but the things I observe happening both to the people in my local area in the trends happening through history and the world. And the idea of changing and combating these things motivates me far more then obtaining some extra bucks.

If you think the nationalist sentiment is exclusive to losers who live with their parents you are soarly mistake. My step-dad (whom I've had personal clashes with in the past, but I digress) for example makes around $24 with lots of overtime hours as an inspector at a manufacturing as well as being a landlord who collects rent. He too is a nationalist and sees the same exact shit I do that's degrading the country. The military as well is one the demographics that houses the largest percentage of people who are nationalistic. Are they losers to?

And I got news for you, if you don't think civil war in the future is a possibility you are gravely mistaken. It doesn't take masses of angry people suddenly leaving their homes to attack one another to start a civil war. All it takes is a few key high ranking generals and politicians to decide, "You know what, I've had enough of this shit" to take matters into their own hands and create a domino effect that explodes into a civil war within a matter of days. It's happened many many times in various countries throughout history and even in recent history. With the current political divide it's more possible now then it's been in decades. This is why the hard-left globalist are pushing gun control so much, because it tends to be rural people who buy guns and rural people tend to be nationalist. There is also a high likely hood a good portion if not the majority of the military would side with the nationalist due to what I said before about nationalist being type of people who are likely to join the military. In such an event all the liberal media outlets, corrupt businesses, wall street bankers, SJWs, puppet conservatives and all the supporters of this shitty globalist capitalist system would be saying bye-bye.

[Sisyphean]

I not speaking solely about things that effect me personally but the things I observe happening both to the people in my local area in the trends happening through history and the world. And the idea of changing and combating these things motivates me far more then obtaining some extra bucks.

Literally what Gulenko says the Beta quad does, not this cringey "time is money" noise about individual will irrespective of groups, systems, and one's facticity.

[sbbds]

First off why did you make the presumption of me complaining about being poor? Is that your own neurotic thoughts towards being "successful" in the eyes of society today being projected? I never said anywhere here that I was poor. I'll admit, I do think my situation leaves some to be desired but for you to judge me as a loser when you have no precise knowledge of my situation is completely thickheaded. I not speaking solely about things that effect me personally but the things I observe happening both to the people in my local area in the trends happening through history and the world. And the idea of changing and combating these things motivates me far more then obtaining some extra bucks.

If you think the nationalist sentiment is exclusive to losers who live with their parents you are soarly mistake. My step-dad (whom I've had personal clashes with in the past, but I digress) for example makes around $24 with lots of overtime hours as an inspector at a manufacturing as well as being a landlord who collects rent. He too is a nationalist and sees the same exact shit I do that's degrading the country. The military as well is one the demographics that houses the largest percentage of people who are nationalistic. Are they losers to?

And I got news for you, if you don't think civil war in the future is a possibility you are gravely mistaken. It doesn't take masses of angry people suddenly leaving their homes to attack one another to start a civil war. All it takes is a few key high ranking generals and politicians to decide, "You know what, I've had enough of this shit" to take matters into their own hands and create a domino effect that explodes into a civil war within a matter of days. It's happened many many times in various countries throughout history and even in recent history. With the current political divide it's more possible now then it's been in decades. This is why the hard-left globalist are pushing gun control so much, because it tends to be rural people who buy guns and rural people tend to be nationalist. There is also a high likely hood a good portion if not the majority of the military would side with the nationalist due to what I said before about nationalist being type of people who are likely to join the military. In such an event all the liberal media outlets, corrupt businesses, wall street bankers, SJWs, puppet conservatives and all the supporters of this shitty globalist capitalist system would be saying bye-bye.

You recently talked about being something like ‘not even middle class’ in the Random Thought thread, and have been complaining about that and not knowing what to do with your life. As if complaining about the things in this thread are disconnected from that and not enough anyway.

You just come across as a big nerd wanting to act out a revolutionary fantasy. This doesn’t even warrant any serious consideration.

[Muddy]

You recently talked about being something like ‘not even middle class’ in the Random Thought thread, and have been complaining about that and not knowing what to do with your life. As if complaining about the things in this thread are disconnected from that and not enough anyway.

You just come across as a big nerd wanting to act out a revolutionary fantasy. This doesn’t even warrant any serious consideration.

You keep trying turn the discussion around into being personal without even attempting to debate any the logical aspects or philosophical aspects of anything I'm talking about. It's true that I've not been completely serious in many of my past post and I've that I have been learning as I'm going. My strategy when it comes to testing out any of my viewpoints is to dive deep and see anything constructive someone else might have to say. Attacking me with these sharp personal judgments and telling me how you think I'm saying all this because I'm a loser isn't going to go anywhere in the slightest.

[sbbds]

You keep trying turn the discussion around into being personal without even attempting to debate any the logical aspects or philosophical aspects of anything I'm talking about. It's true that I've not been completely serious in many of my past post and I've that I have been learning as I'm going. My strategy when it comes to testing out any of my viewpoints is to dive deep and see anything constructive someone else might have to say. Attacking me with these sharp personal judgments and telling me how you think I'm saying all this because I'm a loser isn't going to go anywhere in the slightest.

Are you sure?

Admittance is one first step. Anyway, busy, ttyl and have fun.

[ashlesha]

[gone]

It's not so much his views I take issue with, it's more his line of thought. He seems to be a very associative thinker - he doesn't go clearly from point A to point B. His crying always seemed a bit fake to me, too.

[Muddy]

[Raver]

[FreelancePoliceman]

Anyone who speaks of Marxism as a 'postmodern' philosophy is a moron with no idea what he's talking about.

[Raver]

Anyone who speaks of Marxism as a 'postmodern' philosophy is a moron with no idea what he's talking about.

Care to elaborate on this since the concept is neo marxism rather than marxism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism

Jordan tends to criticize neo marxist thought, not old school marxism, which are two different concepts. If you believe neo marxism has nothing to do with post modernism then explain why that is the case.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Care to elaborate on this since the concept is neo marxism rather than marxism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism

Jordan tends to criticize neo marxist thought, not old school marxism, which are two different concepts. If you believe neo marxism has nothing to do with post modernism then explain why that is the case.

Mainly because 'neo-Marxism' is not a 'different concept.' It's either a continuation of Marxist thought, or an ephemeral autodescriptor of academics who want to sound more worldly by claiming themselves influenced by Marx.

Also, Peterson has no idea what he means by 'neo-Marxism' either, if he does use that term (I've only heard him moan about 'Marxism').

[Raver]

Mainly because 'neo-Marxism' is not a 'different concept.' It's either a continuation of Marxist thought, or an ephemeral autodescriptor of academics who want to sound more worldly by claiming themselves influenced by Marx.

Also, Peterson has no idea what he means by 'neo-Marxism' either, if he does use that term (I've only heard him moan about 'Marxism').

I'm going to assume he states marxism in terms of being neo-marxism rather than classical marxism. Classical marxism has almost nothing to do with post-modernism as it's about communism and the elimination of capitalism so it is largely economic. Neo-marxism branches off into different areas that classical marxism never addressed such as gender and race equality, which are largely social. So while classical marxism is about class equality, neo-marxism expands that notion to several other areas.

The idea of equality beyond class and into gender and race is a fairly modern one. While, gender and racial equality are definitely aspects to strive for, they do seem to be exaggerated in this day and age as being more problematic than they really are, at least compared to how they used to be in the past. Most of Jordan Peterson's ideas seem to counter the notion of gender inequality predominately. So for that reason I think it is not much of a stretch to state neo-marxism as a post modernist philosophy. However, it would be incorrect to classify classical marxism as such.

[Muddy]

I'm going to assume he states marxism in terms of being neo-marxism rather than classical marxism. Classical marxism has almost nothing to do with post-modernism as it's about communism and the elimination of capitalism so it is largely economic. Neo-marxism branches off into different areas that classical marxism never addressed such as gender and race equality, which are largely social. So while classical marxism is about class equality, neo-marxism expands that notion to several other areas.

The idea of equality beyond class and into gender and race is a fairly modern one. While, gender and racial equality are definitely aspects to strive for, they do seem to be exaggerated in this day and age as being more problematic than they really are, at least compared to how they used to be in the past. Most of Jordan Peterson's ideas seem to counter the notion of gender inequality predominately. So for that reason I think it is not much of a stretch to state neo-marxism as a post modernist philosophy. However, it would be incorrect to classify classical marxism as such.

So liberalism basically.

[xerx]

Care to elaborate on this since the concept is neo marxism rather than marxism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism

Jordan tends to criticize neo marxist thought, not old school marxism, which are two different concepts. If you believe neo marxism has nothing to do with post modernism then explain why that is the case.

The whole point of Postmodernism is the rejection of determinism and grand narratives. The whole point of Marxism is that human history is a highly deterministic, grand narrative. Neomarxism is just Marxism that's been updated with 20th century concepts -- the deterministic part of it is still there.

It's hard to find two more contradictory philosophical positions than Marxism and Postmodernism.



And that is why JBP is a clown.

[Raver]

The whole point of Postmodernism is the rejection of determinism and grand narratives. The whole point of Marxism is that human history is a highly deterministic, grand narrative. Neomarxism is just Marxism that's been updated with 20th century concepts -- the deterministic part of it is still there.

It's hard to find two more contradictory philosophical positions than Marxism and Postmodernism.



And that is why JBP is a clown.

I disagree, while I acknowledge that neo-marxism and postmodernism are not exactly the same thing despite their similarities, it is wrong to say that the difference between marxism and neo-marxism is that it is merely an update with 20th century concepts. Marxism is specifically about equality of economics between the proles and bourgeouis, while neo-marxism extends that to equality of race, gender and sexual orientation. The only similarity that these two concepts share is equality, while everything else is different. I should note that there's nothing wrong with wanting equality of opportunity for people of all races, genders and sexual orientation, but this is not what neo-marxism is about.

Striving for equality of outcome is the neo-marxist position, which is a ludicrous goal. This is why many equate neo-marxism with postmodernism because they both strive for equality of outcome. Wanting everyone to have the same result regardless of how hard they work and how much talent they have makes no sense at all. It is basically an anti-merit position when people should be given the opportunity to succeed based on merit alone instead and nothing else, which is what equality of opportunity should be about. JBP is fighting against equality of outcome, not against equality of opportunity and he's made that distinction on several interviews.

[Muddy]

Striving for equality of outcome is the neo-marxist position, which is a ludicrous goal. This is why many equate neo-marxism with postmodernism because they both strive for equality of outcome. Wanting everyone to have the same result regardless of how hard they work and how much talent they have makes no sense at all. It is basically an anti-merit position when people should be given the opportunity to succeed based on merit alone instead and nothing else, which is what equality of opportunity should be about. JBP is fighting against equality of outcome, not against equality of opportunity and he's made that distinction on several interviews.

I can't speak for all these "neo" leftist factions, but standard Marxism at least absolutely does NOT seek to establish complete equality of outcome aka doctors earning the same as dishwashers. Instead, what Marxism seeks is to prevent wealth being gained from ownership of capital, in other words no more getting money from things like rent, inheritance, or speculative investments. Wages are determined by a job's theorized value to society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value

[xerx]

I disagree, while I acknowledge that neo-marxism and postmodernism are not exactly the same thing despite their similarities, it is wrong to say that the difference between marxism and neo-marxism is that it is merely an update with 20th century concepts. Marxism is specifically about equality of economics between the proles and bourgeouis, while neo-marxism extends that to equality of race, gender and sexual orientation. The only similarity that these two concepts share is equality, while everything else is different. I should note that there's nothing wrong with wanting equality of opportunity for people of all races, genders and sexual orientation, but this is not what neo-marxism is about.

Striving for equality of outcome is the neo-marxist position, which is a ludicrous goal. This is why many equate neo-marxism with postmodernism because they both strive for equality of outcome. Wanting everyone to have the same result regardless of how hard they work and how much talent they have makes no sense at all. It is basically an anti-merit position when people should be given the opportunity to succeed based on merit alone instead and nothing else, which is what equality of opportunity should be about. JBP is fighting against equality of outcome, not against equality of opportunity and he's made that distinction on several interviews.

I don't know as much about postmodernism as I'd like; I have never finished a book by Judith Butler or Foucault because their arguments were so unappealing, and the writing was so abstruse that it felt like I was reading bullshit. I do know this though: Postmodernism isn't a political ideology; if it has any coherency at all, it's a cluster of solipsistic arguments that reject philosophical foundationalism. Postmodernists tend to dismiss the existence of universal truths; they tend to be relativists who believe that meaning and morality either don't exist, or don't exist outside of individual subjective experience.

To the extent that it's a philosophical rather than a political position, anyone from any part of the political spectrum can be a Postmodernist.

There are right wing Postmodernists (mainly Libertarians) who view the free market as reflecting relativistic principles; they believe the notion that the value or price of a commodity is entirely subjective, which is an inherently relativistic proposition. Even if the direction of their political activism is the same, they're quite different from non-Postmodernist Conservatives who latch on to the free market as an instrument of social order -- this order is advertised as a reflection of natural hierarchies, often with a non-too subtle religious element thrown in.

There are of course the left wing Postmodernists who JBP is referring to, but, by the same token, they're not Marxists (or Neomarxists). To be a Marxist (or Neomarxist), you have to believe that history is following a definitive trajectory as opposed to a sequence of idiosyncratically-interpretable events; you have to believe that the value of a commodity is something absolute, based on the amount of labour input, not something that's in the eye of the beholder. In my experience, Marxists are the least likely Leftists to endorse race-based identity politics, because a central theme of Karl Marx's writing is that class identity is a function of economic conditions -- they are often emphatic that working classes from all origins share the struggle against the same elite and should unite as a cohesive unit.

[Muddy]

@Raver

[velveteen]

He cries A LOT.

[Finaplex]

He cries A LOT.

I love it. Its refreshing.

[velveteen]

I love it. Its refreshing.

It takes a lot of confidence to be that vulnerable in public.

[Waster]

Jordan Peterson is a gate keeper to the alt right.

[Exodus]

[FarDraft]

This video never fails to crack me up.

[Muddy]

JP's 12 rules book just got banned in NZ lol wtf.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...osque-massacre

[Tonatiuh]

JP's 12 rules book just got banned in NZ lol wtf.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...osque-massacre

This is just the start of it. Now critiquing islam is gonna get even harder.