Those New Zealanders. They're not gonna let anyone tell them to make their fucking beds.Originally Posted by Muddy
Those New Zealanders. They're not gonna let anyone tell them to make their fucking beds.
I wonder if the bearded version is his evil doppelganger from the mirror universe.
I read most of it. I think a lot of people who drool over Peterson would benefit more from reading this book instead of his book. It is more entertaining.
"For decades, we’ve been told that positive thinking is the key to a happy, rich life. "F**k positivity," Mark Manson says. "Let’s be honest, shit is f**ked and we have to live with it." In his wildly popular Internet blog, Manson doesn’t sugarcoat or equivocate. He tells it like it is—a dose of raw, refreshing, honest truth that is sorely lacking today. The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F**k is his antidote to the coddling, let’s-all-feel-good mindset that has infected American society and spoiled a generation, rewarding them with gold medals just for showing up.
Manson makes the argument, backed both by academic research and well-timed poop jokes, that improving our lives hinges not on our ability to turn lemons into lemonade, but on learning to stomach lemons better. Human beings are flawed and limited—"not everybody can be extraordinary, there are winners and losers in society, and some of it is not fair or your fault." Manson advises us to get to know our limitations and accept them. Once we embrace our fears, faults, and uncertainties, once we stop running and avoiding and start confronting painful truths, we can begin to find the courage, perseverance, honesty, responsibility, curiosity, and forgiveness we seek.
There are only so many things we can give a f**k about so we need to figure out which ones really matter, Manson makes clear. While money is nice, caring about what you do with your life is better, because true wealth is about experience. A much-needed grab-you-by-the-shoulders-and-look-you-in-the-eye moment of real-talk, filled with entertaining stories and profane, ruthless humor, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F**k is a refreshing slap for a generation to help them lead contented, grounded lives. "
Excerpt from chapter 1:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019MMUA8S...ng=UTF8&btkr=1
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I don't even know what to say to this. Crazy.
This is stupid beyond belief. It is not like the shooter mentioned him as an inspiration or just simply mentioned him.
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"Banned in NZ" is maybe a little too strong.
A national chain of bookstores in New Zealand has pulled copies of Jordan Peterson’s book 12 Rules for Life from sale, directly linking the decision to the massacre of 50 people in two mosques in Christchurch.
“(It) is a decision that Whitcoulls has made in light of some extremely disturbing material being circulated prior, during and after the Christchurch attacks.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Not as crazy as a nation banning the book, but still silly for a book store to do that.
Tell me what is so bad about him. You're entitled to your opinion, but I want to know what you think makes him crazy.
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he's conservative
which annoys me
Go play with some ducks or something
NZ used to sound like an ideal destination when I daydreamed about expatriating.
Well, you're not Jordan Peterson...
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I was browsing in a little hippyesque indie bookstore a couple of weeks ago and I was almost tempted to ask if they carried his book, just to see what the clerks' reactions would be. But I didn't feel like causing a major scene that day. Would be funny to cosplay though, wear a red MAGA hat, get some fake tattoos with quotes from Ayn Rand, T-Shirt with a bearded cartoon lobster, and secretly videotape reactions of clerks at independent and feminist bookstores as I angrily demand to know why I can't get Peterson books.
"Life doesn't need rules, man. Life just, like, is."
he eats an all beef diet and it's started to rot his brain
ofc he was crazy before too
He's just so goddamn tangential. That's my only problem with him. I probably agree with him on a lot of stuff...he's just so goddamn tangential
That Peterson is scum but I quite like Peter Jordanson.
Peider Jorganson
Peeturdson
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As a radical myself Peterson seems completely disconnected in all ways to what they value. Peterson seems like he would prefer a world where people need to work at least 16 hours a day every day shuffling papers in an office until they die, over one where people end up revolting against that because it would cause "horrors and atrocities". I'm sorry but I will always take violence and chaos anyday over dogma and slavery. It wasn't long ago where most people simply farmed crops and hunted animals to survive and many of them were content with that way of living. Now everybody except those born and raised in the most rural of places has to put up with all this bullshit of going to school, getting enslaved in debt, getting fucked in the ass by jerk corporate bosses, and being humiliated for being a loser if you try to live minimalistically or can't find a way out of it all. On top of that, modern western society has fucked the Earth with pollution and has been exploiting those in third world countries for centuries now. Screw being a pussy over people having to kill people, bring this shit down I say.
Peterson is partially right when he says that envy and jealously afflict some radicals and collectivists, given that they tend to choose not to play by the system at all and are therefore more prone to having to watch people rise above them in economic status. I think it would be wise for radicals and collectivist to keep themselves in check in that regard. Peterson however likes to strawman this as the main drive behind radical leftist when it really has to do with what I said above. Even if some of them are truly driven by envy, that doesn't necessarily mean their ideas are wrong and that world wouldn't be a better place if they got their way. Bad apples exist in every political group and you can't disapprove ideas just by saying the people behind those ideas are bad people without addressing the ideas themselves.
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So I suppose in Peterson's view, those people in South Korea who are being driven to suicide from having to live an accelerated version of western society should all just "grow the hell up", despite already living in extremely dogmatic and disciplined manner. After listening to Peterson more I come to the conclusion he is the exact kind of person I despise. He is bitter, defeated, drained of soul and hates people who possess vigor and solidarity unlike him. He attacks radical leftist by claiming they are motivated jealously when in fact I think he is the one being eaten within from jealously. He invested so much into the standard western capitalist way of living that he's completely lost touch with feeling happiness and excitement, and it's left him a shriveled man as result. Deep down I think he envies the revolutionaries had actually had fucking balls to make change while they where young and strong, and is trying to justify his cucked existence to himself by preaching it to others.
When you advocate the violent overthrow and deaths of many people while complaining about your numb modern malaise I automatically tune out and couldn't care less. If your ethics can't be generalized to people at large than there's no reason to take you seriously - your feelings dont matter more than some other persons. Forget about society... the reality is that nature is fundamentally harsh. Life has been very hard anywhere you look, at any point in history, in any political system... and it always will be. The very harshest times are during and after transition states.
There are downsides to both systems, if you uproot someone from their original culture and plop them in the complete opposite culture they will experience severe culture shock, all the coping skills they'd develop in the past will be completely useless and they'll have to relearn how to function from square one. I should know, I've experienced precisely this kind of culture shock and it took me about 10 years to get my feet on the ground. But now after a decade of adjustment I'm climbing out of that hole and I've learned how to cope in this culture reasonably well. And partly what I needed was a major shift in attitude. So I don't sympathize. Why don't you be resourceful? Instead of pouring over how the system needs to be overthrown (a goal which you have very little chance of obtaining and which would likely only make your life even more hellish) put that same energy into advancing yourself where you don't have to answer to a low level boss - climb high enough to where your bosses are at least intelligent people. Snake your way into some viable skillsets, and make enough money to where you only have to work part time... minimize your living expenses. Avoid commitments... You know, be cunning. TBH you can obtain a 65k starting salary database admin job without a college degree, all you need is access to a decent library and the drive to educate yourself.
But people will always slip through the cracks, this is unavoidable, and not everyone is cunning (though you are at least cunning enough to be intellectually musing, it's not like you're an 80 IQ felon). Yet the irony is that it was mostly the rebellious peasants that died during the russian revolution.
If you want to die I can understand that, just have the dignity to off yourself rather than take the rest of society down with you.
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So... does anyone remember when I got criticized for calling him a grifter?
He's shilling for an insurance Multi-level Marketing scam now: https://www.thedailybeast.com/george...any-php-agency
*wrong post
New shit has come to light that reveals Peterson was created in a Jim Henson workshop in the late 80s. Originally intended as a guest character for Sesame Street, he would have hosted a segment in which he appeared in a classic news reporter costume and reported on shenanigans happening on the street. Early child test audiences were scared by the character and didn't really connect with the frequent tangents about Solzhenitsyn, lobsters and dragons. Henson sold the creation to NBC, who at the time were looking for a new sitcom to improve the ratings for their prime time lineup. Again, he didn't really resonate with test audiences, so they went instead with a little known stand-up named Seinfeld and sold Peterson to the Harvard University Psychology Department.
There is a bit of a contradiction in his thought process regarding equality of outcome. He speaks against it yet the enforced monogamy he advocates might itself be considered to be a form of a rigged equality of outcome for low value males.
Prime example of why I think he loses credibility the more he tries to address cultural and political issues. He should stick to an emphasis on helping people self-improve (oxymoronic) and topics more directly related to his field, but I think he's gotten high on the fame and exposure he's received, so I don't see him giving up his soapbox any time soon.
Then again, maybe it's impossible to extract the political from anything, since everything has become so intertwined with politics in the last decade. He could be symptomatic of a greater trend in the culture.
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@Raver, no shit that Marx has influenced the humanities. If you’re involved in a field related to human culture, you have to deal with the 900-pound gorilla in the room that is Das Kapital. Sociology, philosophy, history, even theology — any field seeking the liberation of humanity has drawn from Marx because his critiques are still powerful and insightful — not because there’s a conspiracy of postmodernists to take over universities. Perhaps if Peterson actually read any work of Marx’s other than the Manifesto he’d understand this.
Incidentally,
Lol, what are “identity politics” supposed to be? How are politics not intrinsically related to identity?They parleyed their 1960’s bourgeoisie vs proletariat rhetoric into the identity politics that has plagued us since the 1970’s.
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I do find it suspect that there's a certain segment of conservatives who hold our cultural narratives and allegories in high regard, yet are quick to criticize those they disagree with (progressives, feminists, the mainstream media, etc) for pushing their own narratives.
I dun lived in the dirty south and there's always a social conservative nearby crying about the narratives pushed by godless liberals and the media, but then their own worldviews are so dependent on their own fragile black-and-white narratives.
Alternative: he's just a simple, classic con artist, out to make a buck
To be frank guys, I don't care at all what marxism is or isn't and whether he is criticizing it correctly or not. This is basically debating semantics, which I find to be a waste of time and energy. As for JBP himself, I take everything he says with a grain of salt. He makes good points on certain subjects and bad points on others and I filter out the bad to take in the good. Some people think he's good or bad all around then that is there prerogative. I listen to other intellectuals more and I don't look up to him like a guru, so it doesn't affect me much.
Maybe conservatives praise him too highly, but I think liberals criticize him too harshly. Personally, I think the people getting triggered by him and bashing him are just giving him as much attention as those praising him. If people just ignored him then he'd fade way and become irrelevant, but I guess he benefits indirectly as much from the negative reception he is getting as he does from the positive reception and continues to stay relevant. That's a smart business move I suppose since he's trying to profit from the attention he is getting as well.
So he agreed to put his name on a MBA school for a cut and that makes him a con arist? It was originally $49,000 US and it increased to $65,000 because of his name. It's pretty much in line with how much MBA programs cost, this one is overhyped and overpriced because of his name for sure, but you could say that for other MBA programs too:
https://www.topmba.com/admissions/fi...-will-mba-costDepending on where in the world you choose to study your MBA, the cost of the program may vary.
For example, tuition at the top business schools in the US is over US$120,000: Harvard Business School (24-month program); Stanford (24 months); The Wharton School (21 months).
Other b-schools in the US will be slightly cheaper, including Kelley School of Business which costs around $51,182 for Indiana residents or $74,084 for non-residents/international students per year. Tuck School of Business’ MBA (21 months) is around US$70,000-$80,000.
Some North American programs have one-year and two-year tracks, but most students opt for the longer version, which lasts on average 21 months.
By comparison, Europe’s plentiful MBA courses may offer more value for money thanks to the course length. Typically, full MBA courses in Europe are around one-year, even 10 months at QS’ highest-ranked European MBA program INSEAD. However, INSEAD's accelerated 10-month MBA program still costs between US$100,000-$110,000, so it’s hardly cheap.
Do I think it's a good idea to move to Acton, Texas for an MBA program because Peterson agreed to profit from it just because it has his name on it? Of course not, there are better MBA schools that give more bang for the buck for sure, I definitely wouldn't go to that school or recommend anyone going to that school. However, I wouldn't call him a con artist because he seeks to make money by putting his name out there, he's more like an opportunist. I think the term con artist is thrown out there too loosely nowadays. I guess every entrepreneur is a con artist by your definition because they're "out to make a buck." So basically, JBP is pro capitalist in words and actions, big deal.
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Actually, his self-help stuff is probably OK. I don't know the exact content of his 12 rules because I don't care, but "stand up straight" seems like good advice. And if some people need or want a father figure to light a fire under their ass, then I'm happy for them.
Criticizing someone doesn't mean that you're "triggered" by them -- are you getting triggered by people criticizing Jordan Peterson? The point is that he seems like a grifter to me, and grifters deserve to be called out.
Fair enough. At least you acknowledge that he does good as well with the bad. I don't mind it when people criticize him for his faults whether that be his logical inconsistencies or that he's seeking to profit as much as possible from his fame. It's just that people paint him like he is only doing bad when he does a lot of good that is ignored by them because of politics mostly, which is a tunnel visioned way of looking at him.
I also think that those that put him on a pedestal like he is some kind of guru are guilty of tunnel vision as well when he's proven himself to be only human with flaws, which I think he would agree with. Personally, I've seen some videos of him and I like what I've heard, but his ideas are explored by others as well so I wouldn't call him that unique or extraordinary, but there is still value in what he says generally regardless.
I don't think he's a grifter or a con-artist personally as he does seem genuinely interested in helping people rather than simply scheming from them, but I do see him as someone who's interested in making money with his fame, that is hard to deny. I consider a con-artist as someone who tricks people into believing or buying nonsense, where as he does the opposite and tries to help them, while seeking profit simultaneously.
So I guess my point is that it is possible to want to help people and make money off of doing it at the same time. It doesn't have to be black and white where he is either a saint or guru that is trying to help people from the bottom of his heart or that he is a devil or con-artist that is seeking to make money off of people by selling snake oil. Generally, most people are in the grey area and I think he is one of them personally.
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Money from book sales and Patreon is OK -- I'm not against people making money; the MLM scheme and the Acton School of Business are borderline scams though. The beef-only diet is also dubious as hell; he's probably supplementing with vitamins under the table.
Yeah, he's getting a little too ambitious financially when there is no need and I understand the criticism for it. The Acton School of Business just looks like a glorified and overpriced MBA program. I agree that the meat only diet is a bit weird. It's one thing to cut out carbs and eat meat and vegetables, but to cut out greens too is strange.
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I'd marry a porn star if she was Jorden Pettersson
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I just feel bad for the people who think JBP ever gave a shit about free speech.
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I did one of his online tests and got some answers. Was it worth 10 bucks I paid for it? Yes. Would it be worth more? No.
See told u u love that ILI dual
Him cozying up to Milo I find distasteful because I know he's finding a person he can 'heal' via the Eternal Daddy techniques. Milo bothers me to the Nth degree. I've gotten everything I can get from Petterson.
Left his facebook group and blocked his youtube vids when they arrive in suggestions. See ya later you old genius slash miserable grump.
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