Deleted
Deleted
Last edited by FarDraft; 12-15-2018 at 11:47 PM.
I think it sounds related to high neuroticism in the big five - not necessarily socionics related though.
Join my Enneagram Discord: https://discord.gg/ND4jCAcs
Neuroticism/emotional stability, according to Victor Gulenko, is the only big five dichotomy not taken into account by socionics.
From the interview with Victor Gulneko: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...and-Transcript
So if anything, high levels of neuroticism correlates to what Gulenko called initiality, his original subtype system being terminal vs initial. The dichotomy later became a part of his DCNH subtye theory, which came later and was a mish mash of several ideas including terminal vs initial subtypes.3. How does The Big 5 relate to neuroticism index?
The basic scale of The Big 5 can relate to socionics, as there are a lot of similiarities. The first factor is extroversion, which correlates to socionics extroversion. It is the first noticeable, "on the surface" trait. The second factor is openness, which is when a person is open to new things, which correlates to socionics intuition. The third factor is conscientiousness, which relates to socionics rationality. The fourth factor is agreeableness, which means that you will agree with society's standards, which correlates with socionics ethics, especially ethics of relationships, which is introverted feeling. The last factor is emotional stability, which was discovered later. It doesn't relate to Aushra or Jung's dichotomies, but Gulenko discovered that it could relate to a DCNH subtype dichotomy called terminality. It is is about how well you adapt emotionally, and see your goals through to the end without being swayed emotionally.
Join my Enneagram Discord: https://discord.gg/ND4jCAcs
https://youtu.be/fihTStryu50
Low Neuroticism: a person who has very little internal movement and looks flat internally. This could be very well be D and N It is just I don't really see it as negative. It gives some edge to life.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
Yeah, I identify with the high conscientiousness parts of what you're talking about too - the need to finish things, guilt at not doing enough etc, but I'm the opposite in neuroticism, being very low instead of high, so I don't have those anxious feelings or negative outlook on things. I wonder . . . if negativist IJs are more prone to this than positivist IJs, because it is often a type 6 trait and ESIs are very often 6s. Just a half-thought. I unfortunately don't have any good advice for you.
BUT, seeing as you're also high in both openness and conscientiousness like me you might be interested in another trait, one that I found exciting because it described me so well, maybe you would be interested too. It's called "need for cognition" and I was going to write a bit about it sometime, but it comes from being high in both openness and conscientiousness. =)
My excitement re. the trait was sparked again and I started looking things up, and found that while there is a positive correlation (between need for cognitions and both) openness and conscientiousness, there is a negative correlation with (need for cognition and) neuroticism, so I'm not sure what that would mean for you, if you'd find as much to relate in it that I did. But, look it up and see what you think =)
**Editing this for clarity. Edits are in the parentheses.
Last edited by squark; 10-21-2018 at 04:31 PM. Reason: Clarity
try to be more tired
if seriously
the anxiety prevents you to feel relaxed. it's common problem with emotional issues
for LII to reduce neurotization you need more Fe and Si stimulation
besides dealing with ESE and other good IR people, you may get amateur drama courses. for Si mb yoga may help, better meal and cooking, aestetic art practices. get stimulatation and develop in superid regions and Socionics magic will touch you
try a meditation alike with that. imagine yourself in any pleasant environment in any time and place, with anything or anyone near. let your mind to distract and to rest
Last edited by Sol; 10-21-2018 at 01:32 AM.
Your whole story screams 6 tho, not just anxiety
- fear of instability
- fearing the worst
- not trusting knowledge (basically not trusting your own mind and second guessing everything)(this is a big difference with 5 because 5 believes knowledge is power and thus seek indefinitely)
- restlessness caused by feeling of impending doom and danger
- prepararation, preparing for the worst, seeing the worst case scenario so u can prepare for the danger (this all has fear as an underlying trait)
- "lack of resilience without external support" - core issue and basic fear of 6 (to be without support)
- meaninglessness because of inability to trust
- general paranoia
- guilt (type 6 is a superego type, they have a lot of responsibility and act a lot because they feel they >should< do it. 5 does not have this
Basically fear seems to be your main problem, which fits 6.
Avarice is the main problem of 5 which i havent seen u talked about, everything else is explanatory
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/m...fying-5-and-6/
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-6
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-5
Also i wonder what @ashlesha thinks of this list since she seems to be the only one on the forum who selftypes as 6
Last edited by Number 9 large; 10-21-2018 at 10:52 AM.
If its not Si related then its spiritual unfinished business and historically that is a EIE problem.
reichandlowentherapy.org
I agree with neuroticism, but it seems like there's some conscientiousness in there as well. I experience a lot of what's in the first post, too, except for the individual nature (I mean something closer to the expression of the results of the psyche, but it doesn't matter, because someone's base nature is not really important in most situations) not changing. It does change. It just takes a lot of investment and time.
I also don't experience the lack of resilience, unless things are really challenging.
I don't think most of this is a problem, it's one of those things where if you give it enough time it will just give you an interesting perspective. Plus it might just be a legit reaction to the knowledge floating around.
There exists a self-hypnotic learning program you can find on the internet for sale that is an immense value and very effective. It is called Relieve Stress & Anxiety by Dr. David Illig. You can get it on CD or perhaps mp3. His company is called Success World. Stress comes from not feeling safe for any countless number of reasons. This program really helps. Then your philosophical musings might find more positive outlets than feeling stressed out. I hope you find a satisfactory solution you go with and best of luck.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
You're a type 5 IP. Your inability to relax most likely comes from some source of environmental stress that hasn't gone away and which you haven't learned how to cope with. When you can't relax automatically, you can learn how to do it manually. You just have to put effort into it. Learn what thoughts make you anxious, if any, and counter them. Learn how to control your breathing so that you breathe from the belly rather than from the diaphragm or chest. Learn how to tense and relax your muscles to get rid of muscular tension. Christopher Hyatt's Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation is a pretty good book for the practical methods he provides. Check it out.
Ok, here's one of the major truths about Socionics and typology in general most people never get: it's really abstract. People concretize it because they can't handle the abstraction. That's where stereotypes in typology come from. Check out Reinin dichotomies. They're actually pretty telling.
I was going to ask if you are depressed, but it's hard to imagine someone being in low spirits most of their life, although not unheard of. It could be that you are surrounded by negative energy or lack of prospects. It's a normal feeling. You just have to trust that you are going to make it at the end of the day.
This is literally the only thing I know for sure in life about myself. Given time, I'll always come out ahead no matter the circumstances. I will wait years if I have to, it matters not. The passage of time doesn't bother me. I dropped out of college at one point to pursue my career. It wasn't a smart move. I worked in a low paying job. But I had no other option. I could have cursed my luck but what good would that do you? A year passed and I ended up in a high paying six-figure job by accident, and without a college degree. I worked hard to prove myself, but I never envisioned it. My dumb ass wouldn't be here if I just relied on my intuition to bail me out.I understand how to manage time properly, and I have a history of it working in favour of me.
Yes, you are not going to feel secure. But if you keep that mindset you will find yourself surrounded by opportunities you never dreamt off. People do recognise greatness but no one will drag you up. You will have to work really hard to be truly successful.
Good luck to you. I hope you find what you are looking for.
its a work before play mind-set, I have the same thing.
it's what makes you unique, don't be ashamed about it
I am accused of not being relaxed. My limbs are naturally very rigid. If someone were to hit my forearm while I was standing, my arm would move very little, if at all. My shoulders act like welded beam supports unless I am consciously moving my arms. I am unsure if it is a reflexive stiffening or if they are just naturally in a taut position. I am also accused of walking "like a robot", dancing "rigidly", and not moving my arms "normally" while I walk. It is just the strangest thing to me, and it isn't something I pay attention to unless someone points it out to me. My SO will insist that I "relax!", yet the only response I can think of is "how?".
The way you describe it, is all over self-help books. If I were to reduce it to a single term, it would be "low self-esteem". It is not Socionics related, however, Socionics can be part of the solution. Basically you're trying to live your life in accordance with external expectations (or externally defined expectations), and you need to learn to get rid of your focus on these external expectations and shift focus to your own internal expectations. Learn to identify what it really is you want, and act in accordance with that, meanwhile saying "fuck it" to external expectations.
Problem is, it is not all that easy to shift that focus. This lack of self esteem might be caused by something simple such as improper social programming to a more complicated patterns ingrained by serious psychological issues. Only you yourself can tell.
Perhaps this could be a good starting point to get things triggered:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_disintegration
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Spiritually unfinished business:
Tasks for which somewhere along the way your psyche decided it needed to complete, to reach completion, before it would let you go. Also known as a Macguffin in film and literature.
In fiction, a MacGuffin is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or another motivator that the protagonist pursues, often with little or no narrative explanation. The MacGuffin's importance to the plot is not the object itself, but rather its effect on the characters and their motivations. The most common type of MacGuffin is a person, place, or thing.