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  • ILE (ENTp)

    6 22.22%
  • SEI (ISFp)

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  • ESE (ESFj)

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  • LII (INTj)

    0 0%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    0 0%
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    13 48.15%
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    2 7.41%
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  • IEE (ENFp)

    1 3.70%
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    1 3.70%
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    Type please??












    FWIW:

    Do What You Love: Time is Too Short to do Anything Else ...

    "I am honored to be with you today at your commencement from one of the
    finest universities in the world. I never graduated from college. Truth
    be told, this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation.
    Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big
    deal. Just three stories.

    The First Story is About Connecting the Dots.

    I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed
    around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So
    why did I drop out?

    It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed
    college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She
    felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so
    everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his
    wife.

    Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they
    really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a
    call in the middle of the night asking: 'We have an unexpected baby boy;
    do you want him?' They said: 'Of course.' My biological mother later
    found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my
    father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the
    final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my
    parents promised that I would someday go to college.

    And 17 years later I did go to college. But I naively chose a college
    that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class
    parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition.

    After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I
    wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me
    figure it out. And here I was spending all of the money my parents had
    saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it
    would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back
    it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I
    could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me, and
    begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.

    It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the
    floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to
    buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday
    night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved
    it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and
    intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example:

    Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy
    instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every
    label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed.

    Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I
    decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned
    about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space
    between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography
    great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that
    science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

    None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life.
    But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh
    computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac.
    It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never
    dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never
    had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows
    just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

    If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this
    calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful
    typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots
    looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear
    looking backwards ten years later.

    Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect
    them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow
    connect in your future. You have to trust in something--your gut,
    destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and
    it has made all the difference in my life.

    My Second Story is About Love and Loss.

    I was lucky--I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started
    Apple in my parents' garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10
    years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2
    billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our
    finest creation--the Macintosh--a year earlier, and I had just turned 30.

    And then I got fired.

    How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we
    hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with
    me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions
    of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When
    we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And
    very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was
    gone, and it was devastating.

    I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt that I had let
    the previous generation of entrepreneurs down--that I had dropped the
    baton as it was being passed to me.

    I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce and tried to apologize for
    screwing up so badly. I was a very public failure, and I even thought
    about running away from the valley. But something slowly began to dawn
    on me--I still loved what I did. The turn of events at Apple had not
    changed that one bit. I had been rejected, but I was still in love. And
    so I decided to start over.

    Fired From Apple

    I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple
    was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of
    being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner
    again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most
    creative periods of my life.

    During the next five years, I started a company named NeXT, another
    company named Pixar, and fell in love with an amazing woman who would
    become my wife. Pixar went on to create the world's first computer
    animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most successful
    animation studio in the world. In a remarkable turn of events, Apple
    bought NeXT, I returned to Apple, and the technology we developed at
    NeXT is at the heart of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I
    have a wonderful family together.

    I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired
    from Apple. It was awful-tasting medicine, but I guess the patient
    needed it.

    Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm
    convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I
    did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work
    as it is for your lovers.

    Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way
    to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the
    only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found
    it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart,
    you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just
    gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you
    find it. Don't settle.

    My Third Story is About Death.

    When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: 'If you live
    each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.'

    It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I
    have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were
    the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do
    today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a
    row, I know I need to change something.

    Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever
    encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost
    everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of
    embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of
    death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are
    going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you
    have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to
    follow your heart.

    Diagnosed With Cancer

    About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer.

    I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my
    pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me
    this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I
    should expect to live no longer than three to six months.

    My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is
    doctor's code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids
    everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just
    a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it
    will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.

    I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy,
    where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and
    into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells
    from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that
    when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying
    because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that
    is curable with surgery.

    I had the surgery and I'm fine now.

    This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I hope it's the
    closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now
    say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful
    but purely intellectual concept:

    No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to
    die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one
    has ever escaped it.

    And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single
    best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old
    to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too
    long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away.
    Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
    Don't be trapped by dogma--which is living with the results of other
    people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out
    your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow
    your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want
    to become. Everything else is secondary.

    When I was young, there was an amazing publication called The Whole
    Earth Catalog, which was one of the bibles of my generation. It was
    created by a fellow named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park,
    and he brought it to life with his poetic touch.

    This was in the late 1960s, before personal computers and desktop
    publishing, so it was all made with typewriters, scissors, and Polaroid
    cameras. It was sort of like Google in paperback form, 35 years before
    Google came along: it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools
    and great notions.

    Stewart and his team put out several issues of The Whole Earth Catalog,
    and then when it had run its course, they put out a final issue.

    It was the mid-1970s, and I was your age. On the back cover of their
    final issue was a photograph of an early morning country road, the kind
    you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so adventurous.
    Beneath it were the words: 'Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.' It was their
    farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I
    have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin
    anew, I wish that for you.

    Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.

    Thank you all very much."

    The Stanford (University) Report June 14, 2005
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    100% ENTP

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    I finally typed him, been meaning to come around to it; he's ENTp.
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I finally typed him, been meaning to come around to it; he's ENTp.
    Thank you. I agree he's ILE.

    He's also a person I highly admire.

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    Uh, he's ENFj.

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    I'd say Mr. Jobs is ENTp because he has no problem showing off his geekyness and being very hands on both with product development and in showing off his products. That would imply a Process > Result orientation.

    Among other celebrity CEOs, I'd say Magic Johnson or Oprah Winfrey are better examples of ENFj.

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    I'm baffled on Steve Jobs. I looked at some photos of him and don't know. Visually when he was young he reminds me of an ENTP I knew and now he reminds me of my ENTJ boss. I'm inclined to think an NT of some kind, but also noticed the composer ISFP qualties he was espousing in the post.

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    You know ... I believe Bill Gates is an INTJ and his wife an ESFJ and I wonder if we could figure out Jobs' type based on his interaction with him. I could see them as mirrors, but also think typing jobs as an ENTJ suites their ineractions:

    "Contrary relationships
    These are relationships of an unstable psychological distance. Both partners experience difficulties in establishing and keeping a stable psychological distance between them. The only chance Contrary partners have to get on together well with each other is if they are left alone. In other cases partners usually compete over their strong sides. The reason for this is when somebody else is present, each partner tries to capture the attention of the listener by showing off their strong side. Contrary partners may like some elements of the other partner's behaviour. This often helps the partners to begin a more close relationship. However, when they are in company, their interaction can change dramatically. The introvert partner usually becomes distant, relationships lose warm feelings and become formal and cautious. Both partners may start regretting that they became too trustful.

    The extrovert partner normally gets the false impression that the introvert partner is deliberately acting against them. This can bring a great deal of misunderstanding and surprise into these relationships, as both partners are convinced that before everything was fine. The introvert partner usually starts suppressing the activity of the extrovert partner and may reproach and criticise them. The extrovert partner in return can behave in the same way.

    The most vulnerable position in these relationships belongs to the extrovert partner, who may feel as if they are being betrayed. As a result the extrovert partner could start to worry excessively about their next step so as not to make any mistakes and may therefore become very suspicious. Unfortunately the extrovert partner cannot see that their introvert partner is not as bad as they have begun to imagine." From Socionicsdating.com/intertyperelations

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    School sucks. It's a pointless institution that just sucks up money and doesn't give out anything useful, besides hot roman gay sex and Girls Gone Wild vids for the 1% of the population that's heterosexual.

    99.999999% of what you learn in college, you'll never use. Now, you don't need to be a fucking Sensor to understand how bullshitty that is.

    Just suck it up and learn how to give something TANGIBLE. Your ideas are sweet dear, but if they can't pay the bills - who cares?

    Trying to match your fantasies into a reality is the American dream, I believe. Trying to do something you enjoy, but also something that can make you independent enough to get laid is the key.

    Artists/writers SHOULD starve. Fucking writers going on strike...pampered idiots that just write about cliches and don't do it for their souls like us REAL writers. I'm a writer deep down in my heart but I know that creativity and real love is BETTER than money. Just stop WHINING and suck it up you damn spoiled jews, and learn that you have to be a bit of a Republican to be financially successful in life. It just actually takes some raw effort. It feels like shit, but everybody has to do it.

    Those are my views. ;D

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    EIE-Ni, duh.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    EIE-Ni, duh.
    I concur.
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    Definitely subtype. One of the people who fit this subtype the best.

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    The subtype battle begins.
    ILI (FINAL ANSWER)

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    I formerly typed him Beta NF inclining towards IEI. I currently settled with pretty much confidence on EIE.
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    Still an EIE-Fe.

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    EIE E8, rather than LIE. The E8-ness is what people see as LIE-like, I think. He is not alpha, Maritsa. He is Se-Ni valuing, clearly extraverted and Ni-ego. Aristocracy makes a lot of sense, too.



    That movie (Pirates of the Silicon Valley - 1999) has some great E8 rage scenes, too, that I couldn't find on youtube. Recommended.

    The movie supposedly gives a very accurate description of the dynamics between Steve Jobs (EIE) and Bill Gates (ILI), that I find great for understanding the differences between merry and serious quadras. Both people are cut-throat, in different ways, using different methods. Steve Jobs in an E8 "in your face" way, Bill Gates in an E5 "we'll see who fools whom first" way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    EIE E8, rather than LIE. The E8-ness is what people see as LIE-like, I think. He is not alpha, Maritsa. He is Se-Ni valuing, clearly extraverted and Ni-ego. Aristocracy makes a lot of sense, too.



    That movie (Pirates of the Silicon Valley - 1999) has some great E8 rage scenes, too, that I couldn't find on youtube. Recommended.

    The movie supposedly gives a very accurate description of the dynamics between Steve Jobs (EIE) and Bill Gates (ILI), that I find great for understanding the differences between merry and serious quadras. Both people are cut-throat, in different ways, using different methods. Steve Jobs in an E8 "in your face" way, Bill Gates in an E5 "we'll see who fools whom first" way.
    Agree with EIE. But why E8, specifically? He abused people because he had the power for doing it. But he did not have the natural strength, presence of an E8 for acting in such way in an one-to-one interaction between equals, that is, being a douche directly and not because the social resources he had and the status he achieved. If the film is accurate about this, you can observe how he behaved differently before and after his success. He was basically nothing/nobody without taking advantage of other people (Wozniak, etc). This, combined with being quite image-focused and manipulative, fits better in an E3.

    Gates could be an ILI in the movie, but he's not in the real life. He's too positive, optimistic and active compared with the average ILI, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond View Post
    FWIW:

    Do What You Love: Time is Too Short to do Anything Else ...

    "I am honored to be with you today at your commencement from one of the
    finest universities in the world. I never graduated from college. Truth
    be told, this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation.
    Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big
    deal. Just three stories.

    The First Story is About Connecting the Dots.

    I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed
    around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So
    why did I drop out?

    It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed
    college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She
    felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so
    everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his
    wife.

    Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they
    really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a
    call in the middle of the night asking: 'We have an unexpected baby boy;
    do you want him?' They said: 'Of course.' My biological mother later
    found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my
    father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the
    final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my
    parents promised that I would someday go to college.

    And 17 years later I did go to college. But I naively chose a college
    that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class
    parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition.

    After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I
    wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me
    figure it out. And here I was spending all of the money my parents had
    saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it
    would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back
    it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I
    could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me, and
    begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.

    It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the
    floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to
    buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday
    night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved
    it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and
    intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example:

    Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy
    instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every
    label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed.

    Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I
    decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned
    about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space
    between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography
    great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that
    science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

    None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life.
    But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh
    computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac.
    It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never
    dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never
    had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows
    just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

    If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this
    calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful
    typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots
    looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear
    looking backwards ten years later.

    Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect
    them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow
    connect in your future. You have to trust in something--your gut,
    destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and
    it has made all the difference in my life.

    My Second Story is About Love and Loss.

    I was lucky--I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started
    Apple in my parents' garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10
    years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2
    billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our
    finest creation--the Macintosh--a year earlier, and I had just turned 30.

    And then I got fired.

    How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we
    hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with
    me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions
    of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When
    we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And
    very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was
    gone, and it was devastating.

    I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt that I had let
    the previous generation of entrepreneurs down--that I had dropped the
    baton as it was being passed to me.

    I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce and tried to apologize for
    screwing up so badly. I was a very public failure, and I even thought
    about running away from the valley. But something slowly began to dawn
    on me--I still loved what I did. The turn of events at Apple had not
    changed that one bit. I had been rejected, but I was still in love. And
    so I decided to start over.

    Fired From Apple

    I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple
    was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of
    being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner
    again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most
    creative periods of my life.

    During the next five years, I started a company named NeXT, another
    company named Pixar, and fell in love with an amazing woman who would
    become my wife. Pixar went on to create the world's first computer
    animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most successful
    animation studio in the world. In a remarkable turn of events, Apple
    bought NeXT, I returned to Apple, and the technology we developed at
    NeXT is at the heart of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I
    have a wonderful family together.

    I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired
    from Apple. It was awful-tasting medicine, but I guess the patient
    needed it.

    Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm
    convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I
    did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work
    as it is for your lovers.

    Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way
    to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the
    only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found
    it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart,
    you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just
    gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you
    find it. Don't settle.

    My Third Story is About Death.

    When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: 'If you live
    each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.'

    It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I
    have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were
    the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do
    today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a
    row, I know I need to change something.

    Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever
    encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost
    everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of
    embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of
    death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are
    going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you
    have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to
    follow your heart.

    Diagnosed With Cancer

    About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer.

    I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my
    pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me
    this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I
    should expect to live no longer than three to six months.

    My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is
    doctor's code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids
    everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just
    a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it
    will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.

    I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy,
    where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and
    into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells
    from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that
    when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying
    because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that
    is curable with surgery.

    I had the surgery and I'm fine now.

    This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I hope it's the
    closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now
    say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful
    but purely intellectual concept:

    No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to
    die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one
    has ever escaped it.

    And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single
    best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old
    to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too
    long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away.
    Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
    Don't be trapped by dogma--which is living with the results of other
    people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out
    your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow
    your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want
    to become. Everything else is secondary.

    When I was young, there was an amazing publication called The Whole
    Earth Catalog, which was one of the bibles of my generation. It was
    created by a fellow named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park,
    and he brought it to life with his poetic touch.

    This was in the late 1960s, before personal computers and desktop
    publishing, so it was all made with typewriters, scissors, and Polaroid
    cameras. It was sort of like Google in paperback form, 35 years before
    Google came along: it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools
    and great notions.

    Stewart and his team put out several issues of The Whole Earth Catalog,
    and then when it had run its course, they put out a final issue.

    It was the mid-1970s, and I was your age. On the back cover of their
    final issue was a photograph of an early morning country road, the kind
    you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so adventurous.
    Beneath it were the words: 'Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.' It was their
    farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I
    have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin
    anew, I wish that for you.

    Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.

    Thank you all very much."

    The Stanford (University) Report June 14, 2005


    Type please??
    You wrote all of that ? Agree he is EIE I guess, no idea which subtype, though.
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    Beta extrovert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Beta extrovert.
    Do you sincerely consider the possibility that Steve Jobs is SLE?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Do you sincerely consider the possibility that Steve Jobs is SLE?
    EIE and SLE are similar types. It's a common delusion that people think duals or activators are that much different from one another, so sometimes people are mistyped as another type in their quadra when there's not enough information to go on, since they utilize the same functions/mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Do you sincerely consider the possibility that Steve Jobs is SLE?
    EIE and SLE are similar types. It's a common delusion that people think duals or activators are that much different from one another, so sometimes people are mistyped as another type in their quadra when there's not enough information to go on, since they utilize the same functions/mentality.
    So you don't have a reason, you're just covering your ass.

    No.

    You're trying to make it look like you don't automatically agree with Ashton. You just happened to pick a particular awkward time to make such a show, because anyone with a brain can see that Jobs is not fucking Se dominant. He also maintains Fe "streaks" with noticeable composure.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Steve Jobs' is awesome, I see no problem with ENTp although there may be cases for other types.

    I personally wish I could have dropped out of college or bypassed it, the educational system seems to be a piece of cripe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Uh, he's ENFj.
    Yes, I totally agree with the EIE thing. I've read that on some of the socionics websites. I get that mixture of admiration and liking that I feel for NFs, mixed with the 'OMG, I can barely stand to read this,' feeling, mixed with the 'But I have to keep on reading until it's over' feeling. It's this desperate torture of struggling to hunt for crumbs of Ne and Fi, and just barely seeing a twisted shadow of them, but knowing that they're in there somewhere. Every time I read about Steve Jobs and his life and his businesses and the computer products he sells, I get annoyed about fifty different things that I think he's doing wrong, but can't tell him.

    He's using lots of Ni. What is our life's pathway? Where is it leading? What is the purpose behind it all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1e View Post
    Yes, I totally agree with the EIE thing. I've read that on some of the socionics websites. I get that mixture of admiration and liking that I feel for NFs, mixed with the 'OMG, I can barely stand to read this,' feeling, mixed with the 'But I have to keep on reading until it's over' feeling. It's this desperate torture of struggling to hunt for crumbs of Ne and Fi, and just barely seeing a twisted shadow of them, but knowing that they're in there somewhere. Every time I read about Steve Jobs and his life and his businesses and the computer products he sells, I get annoyed about fifty different things that I think he's doing wrong, but can't tell him.

    He's using lots of Ni. What is our life's pathway? Where is it leading? What is the purpose behind it all?
    Yes, EIE. He manipulated gullible audience but it's all a bubble with nothing substantial to it, just like most famous EIEs. ****** didn't have a great message to share and neither did Lady D. They became famous because most people lives dull lives and they project themselves into these actors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond View Post
    FWIW:

    Do What You Love: Time is Too Short to do Anything Else ...

    "I am honored to be with you today at your commencement from one of the
    finest universities in the world. I never graduated from college. Truth
    be told, this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation.
    Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big
    deal. Just three stories.

    The First Story is About Connecting the Dots.

    I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed
    around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So
    why did I drop out?

    It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed
    college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She
    felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so
    everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his
    wife.

    Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they
    really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a
    call in the middle of the night asking: 'We have an unexpected baby boy;
    do you want him?' They said: 'Of course.' My biological mother later
    found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my
    father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the
    final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my
    parents promised that I would someday go to college.

    And 17 years later I did go to college. But I naively chose a college
    that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class
    parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition.

    After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I
    wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me
    figure it out. And here I was spending all of the money my parents had
    saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it
    would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back
    it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I
    could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me, and
    begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.

    It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the
    floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to
    buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday
    night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved
    it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and
    intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example:

    Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy
    instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every
    label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed.

    Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I
    decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned
    about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space
    between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography
    great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that
    science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

    None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life.
    But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh
    computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac.
    It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never
    dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never
    had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows
    just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them.

    If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this
    calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful
    typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots
    looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear
    looking backwards ten years later.

    Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect
    them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow
    connect in your future. You have to trust in something--your gut,
    destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and
    it has made all the difference in my life.

    My Second Story is About Love and Loss.

    I was lucky--I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started
    Apple in my parents' garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10
    years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2
    billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our
    finest creation--the Macintosh--a year earlier, and I had just turned 30.

    And then I got fired.

    How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we
    hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with
    me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions
    of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When
    we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And
    very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was
    gone, and it was devastating.

    I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt that I had let
    the previous generation of entrepreneurs down--that I had dropped the
    baton as it was being passed to me.

    I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce and tried to apologize for
    screwing up so badly. I was a very public failure, and I even thought
    about running away from the valley. But something slowly began to dawn
    on me--I still loved what I did. The turn of events at Apple had not
    changed that one bit. I had been rejected, but I was still in love. And
    so I decided to start over.

    Fired From Apple

    I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple
    was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of
    being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner
    again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most
    creative periods of my life.

    During the next five years, I started a company named NeXT, another
    company named Pixar, and fell in love with an amazing woman who would
    become my wife. Pixar went on to create the world's first computer
    animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most successful
    animation studio in the world. In a remarkable turn of events, Apple
    bought NeXT, I returned to Apple, and the technology we developed at
    NeXT is at the heart of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I
    have a wonderful family together.

    I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired
    from Apple. It was awful-tasting medicine, but I guess the patient
    needed it.

    Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm
    convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I
    did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work
    as it is for your lovers.

    Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way
    to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the
    only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found
    it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart,
    you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just
    gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you
    find it. Don't settle.

    My Third Story is About Death.

    When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: 'If you live
    each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right.'

    It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I
    have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were
    the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do
    today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a
    row, I know I need to change something.

    Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever
    encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost
    everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of
    embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of
    death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are
    going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you
    have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to
    follow your heart.

    Diagnosed With Cancer

    About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer.

    I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my
    pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me
    this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I
    should expect to live no longer than three to six months.

    My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is
    doctor's code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids
    everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just
    a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it
    will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.

    I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy,
    where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and
    into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells
    from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that
    when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying
    because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that
    is curable with surgery.

    I had the surgery and I'm fine now.

    This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I hope it's the
    closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now
    say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful
    but purely intellectual concept:

    No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to
    die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one
    has ever escaped it.

    And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single
    best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old
    to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too
    long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away.
    Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
    Don't be trapped by dogma--which is living with the results of other
    people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out
    your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow
    your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want
    to become. Everything else is secondary.

    When I was young, there was an amazing publication called The Whole
    Earth Catalog, which was one of the bibles of my generation. It was
    created by a fellow named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park,
    and he brought it to life with his poetic touch.

    This was in the late 1960s, before personal computers and desktop
    publishing, so it was all made with typewriters, scissors, and Polaroid
    cameras. It was sort of like Google in paperback form, 35 years before
    Google came along: it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools
    and great notions.

    Stewart and his team put out several issues of The Whole Earth Catalog,
    and then when it had run its course, they put out a final issue.

    It was the mid-1970s, and I was your age. On the back cover of their
    final issue was a photograph of an early morning country road, the kind
    you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so adventurous.
    Beneath it were the words: 'Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.' It was their
    farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I
    have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin
    anew, I wish that for you.

    Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.

    Thank you all very much."

    The Stanford (University) Report June 14, 2005


    Type please??
    Holy shit I've been on this board for so long! 2005??

    Reading this quote I have no idea on his type.....ILE?

    ILE

    those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often

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    There are 2 camps:

    ILE vs EIE

    Those who vote ILE do so out of impressions. Those who vote EIE do so out of justification.

    I go with the former, EIE just requires too much thinking to justify.

    ILE->Innovation, Vision, Essence, Meaning, Significance, Importance, Possibilities
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    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    You're an idiot
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reuben View Post
    There are 2 camps:

    ILE vs EIE

    Those who vote ILE do so out of impressions. Those who vote EIE do so out of justification.

    I go with the former, EIE just requires too much thinking to justify.

    ILE->Innovation, Vision, Essence, Meaning, Significance, Importance, Possibilities
    No. Those who vote EIE do so out of not being morons.

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    The ILEs want him because he's a nerd.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    The ILEs want him because he's a nerd.
    They can have Gates maybe. Jobs is way too good and natural with Fe to be ILE.

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    IEI?

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    Yeah, EIE hands down. Also, very interesting fellow.


    Also: just as an aside to the inevitable idiots further down/up this thread:

    One individual succeeding without schooling isn't a great argument against education.

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    Steve Jobs called long-time rival and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates as "unimaginative" and not really a product person, according to a biography of the deceased Apple chief executive.

    "Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology," Jobs told author Walter Isaacson. "He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

    "He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger," Jobs added.

    The biography "Steve Jobs" by Isaacson hits bookstores on Monday, but was released earlier-than-expected on Apple's iBooks and Amazon.com's Kindle late Sunday.

    Gates, for his part, was slightly envious of Jobs' mesmerizing effect in people but found the technology icon "weirdly flawed as a human being."

    But Gates, despite his differences with Jobs, enjoyed his frequent visits to Apple's office in Cupertino, especially when he got to watch Jobs' interaction with his employees, according to the biography.

    "Steve was in his ultimate pied piper mode, proclaiming how the Mac will change the world and overworking people like mad with incredible tensions and complex personal relationships," Gates said.

    Isaacson's biography reveals that Jobs refused potentially life-saving cancer surgery for nine months, was bullied in school, tried various quirky diets as a teenager, and exhibited early strange behavior such as staring at others without blinking.

    The book paints an unprecedented, no-holds-barred portrait of a man who famously guarded his privacy fiercely but whose death ignited a global outpouring of grief and tribute.

    Isaacson, in an interview with "60 Minutes" on CBS on Sunday, provided more insight on Jobs' personality and character traits.

    While Jobs revolutionized multiple industries with his cutting-edge products, he was not the world's best manager, Isaacson said.

    Jobs changed the course of personal computing during two stints at Apple and then brought a revolution to the mobile market but the inspiring genius is known for his hard edges that have often times alienated colleagues and early investors with his my-way-or-the-highway dictums.

    "He's not warm and fuzzy," Isaacson said in the interview. "He was not the world's greatest manager. In fact, he could have been one of the world's worst managers."

    "He could be very, very mean to people at times," he added.

    Jobs loved to argue but not everyone around him shared that passion, which drove some of his top people away. While his style had yielded breakthrough products, it didn't make for "great management style," Isaacson said.

    In one of the more than 40 interviews that Jobs gave the biographer, the technology icon said he felt totally comfortable being brutally honest.

    "That's the ante for being in the room. So we're brutally honest with each other and all of them can tell me they think I'm full of s**t, and I can tell anyone I think they're full of s**t," Jobs said. "And we've had some rip-roaring arguments where we're yelling at each other."

    'Few other visions'

    Jobs, who has revolutionized the world of personal computers, animated movies, music, phones, tablet, digital publishing and retail stores, would have liked to conquer television as well, Isaacson said.

    "He had a few other visions. He would love to make an easy-to-use television set," said Isaacson, speaking of Job's last two-and-a-half years of life. "But he started focusing on his family again as well. And it was a painful brutal struggle. And he would talk, often to me about the pain."

    Jobs, in his final meeting with Isaacson in mid-August, still held out hope that there might be one new drug that could save him. He also wanted to believe in God and an afterlife.

    "Ever since I've had cancer, I've been thinking about (God) more. And I find myself believing a bit more. Maybe it's because I want to believe in an afterlife. That when you die, it doesn't just all disappear," Isaacson quoted Jobs as saying.

    "Then he paused for a second and he said 'yeah, but sometimes I think it's just like an on-off switch. Click and you're gone," Isaacson said of Jobs. "He paused again, and he said: And that's why I don't like putting on-off switches on Apple devices."

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    I change my LIE typing after some recent obsessive interview watching. I've always enjoyed hearing this guy talk and even relate to petulant, conniving and callus asshole in him, too. I actually once met the man on my 19th birthday in a sushi restaurant -- EIE without a doubt.

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    I agree with EIE. I doubt Bill Gates is Te ego either from what I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    I agree with EIE. I doubt Bill Gates is Te ego either from what I've seen.
    This was stupid. Bill Gates is most likely Te dominant. I'm actually not sure of Jobs anymore. My Marketing professor looks and seems similar and he is a clear IEE so I could see the argument for Ne dom.

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    Lots of Steve biographies out there. The latest:

    Jobs: Man in the Machine 2015
    is excellent. Irreverent, yet truthful. The movie is a study of contrasts, much like the man was himself. If you have a couple hours then I recommend this one.




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    I voted ILE, but after watching interviews I agree w EIE.

    I think his Ni comes out a lot here: http://youtu.be/KEQEV6r2l2c
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