SLI: worst sociotype ever?

[Faith]

Some delta members have said SLI is nearly the worst sociotype ever.

Therefore, someone typing you SLI is the worst insult and someone self typing as SLI could be an indicative of low self esteem.

Here a compilation of the perceived faults:

+iniquity
+injustice
+cheating
+smugness
+know it all : the illusion of knowledge
+clouded and inefficient thinking style
+ignorance
+stubbornness
+touchiness
+childishness
+lack of open communication
+fear of confrontation
+special snowflake syndrome
+manipulation
+prideful
+malicious
+fakery
+untrustworthy
+unconstructive
+misunderstood
+prickly
+false humility
+low self esteem: hungry for praise
+manipulable
+lonely
+tight
+mingy


What do you think? Have you ever saw some of these in SLIs? SLIs, do you identify with some of these faults?






Disclaimer: This thread was inspired by the words and posts of some delta members and other things that other users have said in the past who deserve all my respect.

[golden]

Wow. The worst things I can say about SLIs from that list are that they can be unpredictability touchy and remote. I mean, they don’t respond to Fe so my expectations are low. But I would never think of them as a worst type, what the heck.

[para]

I like SLI. Best thing about them is their relaxed attitude towards physical matters. They're so competent regarding their bodies and the physical, sensory experience, i can only envy them in silent awe.

Worst thing about them is that they can be very narrow-minded and set in their ways. They have little room for accepting new ways of seeing things, and need probing from a persistent IEE. They will often speak of matters they know very little about, just to have said anything. (at least in my personal experiences)

[ooo]

I'm an SLI

[Faith]

I'm an SLI

And I'm an EII

[ooo]

And I'm an EII

that's the lamest type ever.

[Faith]

that's the lamest type ever.

[Ave]

Every type has its flaws, I wouldn't say SLI is worse in that regard. Individual SLIs can have a few of those flaws, so can individuals of any other type.

I actually get along well with SLI. In my group of four best friends from my hometown, one of the guys was Si-SLI (the other two Fi-ESI and Fe-IEI).

[Reyne]

+iniquity
+injustice

This could be faults perceived by Ti valuers. At least I, as a Ti valuer, feel Te valuers hesitate too much on the application of justice as a thing that should be applied by the system. Gammas are into revenge, but it's always a personal justice. Deltas tend to be too forgiving, but that doesn't mean they act in an injust way.

"3. "Subjectivist" trait (predominance of evolutionary rational aspects +Ti +Fe)
In accordance with this trait, every person has the right 1) to subjective analysis of events, opinions, and actions 2) to search for "the culpable" and displace them from the system"

So I think it's weird other Deltas say this, since I perceive the same lack of justice in their mentality.




+cheating

HELLOO, hidden agenda?!?! Where are you? I think this isn't an average SLI trait. Surely there could be promiscuous SLIs, but I think that once they find a partner, they just settle down and focus on their true love.



+smugness
+know it all : the illusion of knowledge

That's pretty much how logic types tend to be perceived, and some feelers with some strong logic too (for example I type actually as IEI, but I strongly relate to this).




+clouded and inefficient thinking style
+untrustworthy

I think this could be the way rationals perceive irrationals. But at least you got creative Te to back it up, so your thought appears way less clouded and for sure isn't inefficient.




+ignorance

This is so generic, lol. By ignorance they probably intend being too grounded to the material world and not having intellectual and philosophical inclinations. This is a trait I often perceive in other people, but I also realize those people that I tend to dismiss like that have just another inclination. They're probably way more practical than me. I think this is probably just an insult coming from a bitter intuitive. Don't take it seriously, lol.



+stubbornness
+tight

From my experience, the true stubborn and tight people are the rationals. I can't really see where this adjective is coming from. You even have suggestive Ne.




+touchiness

Ethics tend to be way more touchy.



+childishness

I don't feel like this is type related, but if I have to choose a childish function, of course it's not gonna be Si or Te.



+lack of open communication

Well, they're introverts. I think that when they communicate, they tend to be pretty open and clear. Except if it revolves around they're private lives. They're too reserved for that, and there's nothing wrong with that, and doesn't really equate to lack of communication.



+fear of confrontation

Hell no. They are not the ones with Se polr. They IGNORE Se, and thus confrontation. They don't care about it, as long as their values ain't hit. At that point they don't fear anything.



+special snowflake syndrome

Lol, what? SLIs? They seem like very grounded people that wouldn't lose time feeling special about useless stuff. I think the special snowflake syndrome is more something about Fi and Ni leads, but those are just stereotypes.




+manipulation
+fakery

Pretty much stuff related to unhealthy ethical types.


+prideful

More common in Se types.



+low self esteem: hungry for praise
+misunderstood
+lonely

Slightly more common in introverts. No correlation specifically with SLIs.




Totally not type related.

+malicious
+unconstructive
+prickly
+false humility
+manipulable



+mingy

This is way more common in logical types, and in introverts too. So yeah, SLIs are likely to be mingy. The focus on Te productivity would make it even more likely. But I'm pretty mingy too, and I ain't SLI.

[maniac]

SLIs are hot

[Ave]

Reyne I agree with almost all of what you wrote.

My only beef is that SLIs I've known are stubborn, in that you can't reconvince them of anything. Yeah, it might not make sense from a purely theoretical standpoint but just try to change their minds about something and you will see!

[Reyne]

Reyne I agree with almost all of what you wrote.

My only beef is that SLIs I've known are stubborn, in that you can't reconvicne them of anything. Yeah, it might not make sense from a purely theoretical standpoint but just try to change their minds about something and you will see!

That may be because often their beliefs allow them to live comfortably or already have proved to be functional, while novel point of views my shake them up too much and put them out of their comfort zone. When you deliver an information to an SLI it's important to underline the fact that they ain't wrong, and that they ain't gonna lose anything. Just present the new information in a non hostile way that gets them curious.

[Cosmic Teapot]

oh boy I know I'm tapping into a Venus flytrap right now - some of the points are from my blog post:
Anyone who wants to make up his own mind is free to read it.
Btw - I could write this kind of post about any type - why about the SLI type though? Because I value improvement. I figured when I have a list of problems put together from meeting many different SLIs (who lived different lives and therefore developed their own talents and problem areas) I wouldn't walk blindly through my life. I tend to forget my weak points and make the same mistakes again therefore reminding myself of potential pitfalls helps me become the person I want to be someday.


That my blog post is part of the reason for a thread called "SLI:worst sociotype ever" is unfortunate and transcends my imagination. I'm sorry if this blog entry has offended anyone - that was not my intention nor goal - however I'm unable to hide my own contempt for the fact that I think that my intentions have been misunderstood.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...n-and-Behavior

[FDG]

Yes I agree SLI is the worst sociotype ever because they are my supervisor.

t16t.info 2018 style.

[ooo]

[Faith]

@Reyne

Excellent analysis, very detailed and accurate. I actually agree in those could be perceived faults by rationals, possibly Ti about irrational/delta. Anyway, yes, some seem pretty generic and ntr.

[Sol]

Some delta members have said SLI is nearly the worst sociotype ever.

either those are not deltas or the ones thought as SLI were not such
according to IR

other is the heresy of lame typers

[Exodus]

Some delta members have said SLI is nearly the worst sociotype ever.

Therefore, someone typing you SLI is the worst insult and someone self typing as SLI could be an indicative of low self esteem.

Here a compilation of the perceived faults:

+iniquity
+injustice
+cheating
+smugness
+know it all : the illusion of knowledge
+clouded and inefficient thinking style
+ignorance
+stubbornness
+touchiness
+childishness
+lack of open communication
+fear of confrontation
+special snowflake syndrome
+manipulation
+prideful
+malicious
+fakery
+untrustworthy
+unconstructive
+misunderstood
+prickly
+false humility
+low self esteem: hungry for praise
+manipulable
+lonely
+tight
+mingy


What do you think? Have you ever saw some of these in SLIs? SLIs, do you identify with some of these faults?






Disclaimer: This thread was inspired by the words and posts of some delta members and other things that other users have said in the past who deserve all my respect.

SLIs are prickly, and do lack open communication.

But for the most part, that list is stupid and wrong.

[Raver]

It depends entirely on the SLI. Some SLIs are the most awful, judgemental and vindictive people you will ever meet. Other SLIs are the most pleasant, easy going and forgiving people you will ever meet.

Most SLIs will be somewhere in between these two extremes. Socionics has little to no influence in a person's character and other factors come into play.

That is why when I decide to converse or hang out with an SLI, I look at their character first and foremost, their actual type is of little significance to me unless they got a good character.

[Faith]

It depends entirely on the SLI. Some SLIs are the most awful, judgemental and vindictive people you will ever meet. Other SLIs are the most pleasant, easy going and forgiving people you will ever meet.

...could you please share some of your personal experiences about those awful and pleasant SLIs you have met, if you dont mind?

Socionics has little to no influence in a person's character and other factors come into play.

would you say then that attaching any kind of negative trait to types would be out of place?

That is why when I decide to converse or hang out with an SLI, I look at their character first and foremost, their actual type is of little significance to me unless they got a good character.

yeah, using sociotype as matchmaker would be kinda uncertain, problematic and dubious imo.

Thanks for your input.

[Raver]

...could you please share some of your personal experiences about those awful and pleasant SLIs you have met, if you dont mind?

I don't want to go into too much detail, but I will say I had a friend for a few years that was SLI that I was forced to cut off because he was severely lacking in the empathy department. I also had a bad experience with a co-worker that was SLI that was also severely lacking in empathy as well, but worse. The ironic thing is I got along with both of them conversationally and felt like it was easy to connect with them, but their lack of empathy made interactions with them unbearable.

Then there are other SLIs where things are hot and cold with positive and negative aspects with their interactions. Mind you, I've known some very highly empathetic SLIs that are just wonderful people all around and are a joy to be with so I don't want people to get this idea that most SLIs are bad people, just that there are good and bad SLIs like any other type. In the end of the day, Socionics only explains how we communicate with the world around us, it has almost no bearing on our character and morality.

Also, I should note that all of these SLIs have been males, I rarely am in a position to interact with a female SLI largely because of the environments I am in. I've met a few female SLIs in the past and we got along, but it was only for a momentary period of time.

would you say then that attaching any kind of negative trait to types would be out of place?

I think it's okay to attach negative traits to types as long as you attach positive traits as well because in the end of the day each type comes with strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I really respect and admire a healthy SLI. It just looks like they got everything that I struggle with in life in order that I want to get better and people also respect and get along with them as well because of that and their kind, but assertive demeanor.

They also tend to be very easy going and accepting of most situations and just roll with the punches. If they're intelligent then I feel like I can learn a lot from them because they can go into so much incredible detail about a subject that I only have skimmed the surface of.

yeah, using sociotype as matchmaker would be kinda uncertain, problematic and dubious imo.

Thanks for your input.

No problem. Yeah, sociotype is just a piece of the puzzle for finding our soul mates or w/e. To put all your chips into finding your dual and expecting it to work out is just plain crazy. However, if everything else is decent and in order then finding your dual can be one of the best things to happen to you.

@Cosmic Teapot I had no idea there was this hidden feud going on, I feel so clueless now because I had no idea who some delta members were. Anyways, I was just chiming in honestly on my own personal experience with SLIs and what my take from it was. What was going on behind the scenes was something that I was not aware of.

[Eos]

Thread title reminds me of this song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-OpFjHRbE

[Chthonic Daydream]

That song reminds me of another song, which reminds me of the thread title.

[Starvish]

SLIs are cute and they remind me of cats. I like cats.

[0i0]

I also heard they eat babies, bathe in goat blood, leave tea bag filters everywhere, don't change the roll of toilet paper after they used the last one, and try to alter time and space to create a vortex that captures the souls of the innocent.

[Faith]

I also heard they eat babies, bathe in goat blood, leave tea bag filters everywhere, don't change the roll of toilet paper after they used the last one, and try to alter time and space to create a vortex that captures the souls of the innocent.

I've heard sli e9w8 are the secret leaders of illegal cannibalistic cults.

[0i0]

I've heard sli e9w8 are the secret leaders of illegal cannibalistic cults.

It can't be, I've never met any of them in those circles.

[Faith]

It can't be, I've never met any of them in those circles.

its because they are the secret leaders

[golden]

I also heard they eat babies, bathe in goat blood, leave tea bag filters everywhere, don't change the roll of toilet paper after they used the last one, and try to alter time and space to create a vortex that captures the souls of the innocent.

Quite suddenly I wanna be Delta.

On a different topic, I didn’t realize either that there was any kind of real conflict going on around this thread.

The truth is I’ve had some bad experiences with SLIs, one in particular who was hostile moving toward cruel. One who was crotchety and made me feel unwelcome. One who was frankly not bright, and another who resented me as I had a higher-level job in our organization and she was out for my blood. (@Kara you were on to something, see.)

BUT the other side of this is these were not bad people per se and there were many things I could respect about them, even that last one. She’d been a cunt, but years later she contacted me out of the blue and I ended up with about 60k worth of work from her new employer thanks to her. Clearly she had thought it over and wanted to make amends. Not everyone will bother to do that.

I didn’t want to add a lot to the thread because I’m not a Delta and thought I might not be the most fair person to judge what SLIs are like.

I had to think a bit to actually recall these negative things, which I don’t see as general character issues applicable to a type, tho maybe I could make some generalizations if pressed. I still don’t think this is a worst type.

[Starvish]

Ok but real talk I never see people shitting on SLIs. LSE, ESI, and SLE always get shit from what I typically hear. Especially ESIs. Stop bullying them, guys.

[Faith]

Ok but real talk I never see people shitting on SLIs. LSE, ESI, and SLE always get shit from what I typically hear. Especially ESIs. Stop bullying them, guys.

Are you missing them? I can share them with you if you want.

[Spermatozoa]

Ok but real talk I never see people shitting on SLIs. LSE, ESI, and SLE always get shit from what I typically hear. Especially ESIs. Stop bullying them, guys.

I am sure individual SLE/LSEs on this forum won't throw a hissy fit because someone made negative statements about a type they just happen to belong to. Only Ethicals and especially Fi-leads take impersonal comments personally. As for ESIs, the reason they can get "hated on" sometimes is that they go out of their way to appear offended and outraged by things that are probably best ignored or taken in jest.

SLIs don't tend to push themselves into a situation that makes them enemies. They simply do their own thing quietly in the background, like nomads. This does make them more well liked in general than some other types, but also less well understood.

For the record, most of the supposed SLI traits OP listed are non-type related. There is a strong tendency on this site to draw inferences between Socionics theory and a whole raft of phenomena that have no relationship to it, often going so far as a person attempting to make observation fit theory and ignoring contrary evidence.

[Faith]

SLIs don't tend to push themselves into a situation that makes them enemies. They simply do their own thing quietly in the background, like nomads. This does make them more well liked in general than some other types, but also less well understood.

For the record, most of the supposed SLI traits OP listed are non-type related. There is a strong tendency on this site to draw inferences between Socionics theory and a whole raft of phenomena that have no relationship to it, often going so far as a person attempting to make observation fit theory and ignoring contrary evidence.

This exactly. SLI are introverts, its unlikely relating out there so much with random ppl as for those traits actually appearing in interactions. I'm not sure of SLI being liked more than any other type. Fe PoLR often makes ppl uncomfortable. One of the most likeable types are SEI, imo. I also don't think Fi>Fe takes more ofense than others about criticism of any kind in my experience.

[Spermatozoa]

This exactly. SLI are introverts, its unlikely relating out there so much with random ppl as for those traits actually appearing in interactions. I'm not sure of SLI being liked more than any other type. Fe PoLR often makes ppl uncomfortable. One of the most likeable types are SEI, imo. I also don't think Fi>Fe takes more ofense than others about criticism of any kind in my experience.

This is just a personal anecdote but Fe PoLRs don't make me feel uncomfortable, more the reverse.

ILEs I tend to have a relatively natural flow of information with (I could be one, although I am now leaning towards IEE, for a number of reasons I prefer to leave my type empty), while SLE can find me annoying, a little too frivolous and chaotic. However, I kind of feel a bit sorry for them, the men anyway, as they have IEI women as duals

Aesthetically, SLI has a kind of earthy wildness, again like a nomad or lone wolf. I relate to their individualism and find their harmony with the natural world very appealing. LSI is also grounded in this way, but has a rigid, binary style that I find off putting if over-exposed to.

[Kernel]

SLIs don't tend to push themselves into a situation that makes them enemies. They simply do their own thing quietly in the background, like nomads. This does make them more well liked in general than some other types, but also less well understood.

This is true. My intention is not to offend, this is my honest opinion about them based on my experience. SLIs hide their flaws really well if they want to. They can be a devil to you and no one hear of that. I remember a member here named socio? wrote about her experience with an SLI and how he might have had narcissitic personality disorder, how he treated her like she didn't exist after being crazy about her, I had a kinda similar thing happen to me. It is really bad when SLI treat someone like that, then put the blame on them when they try to tell them about it, making the other seem like the bad guy and refusing to take responsibility for what happened. This is a pattern I observed in many SLIs, and to be sure of it, I have seen others talk about it in other forums. SLIs appear likeable to strangers and people who don't know them well but there is a dark side to them that they only show to a close person. This was a hard pill to swallow for me, but it's the truth about them...

I'm only writing this because when I see people thinking that SLIs are angels (unlike Se ego types for example), it seems wrong to me, ofcourse they have their good traits, but I guess this thread is made for the bad. I hope SLIs here don't get offended (this is all from my personal experience and what I heard from others, it is not directed at anyone).

[Spermatozoa]

This is true. My intention is not to offend, this is my honest opinion about them based on my experience. SLIs hide their flaws really well if they want to. They can be a devil to you and no one hear of that. I remember a member here named socio? wrote about her experience with an SLI and how he might have had narcissitic personality disorder, how he treated her like she didn't exist after being crazy about her, I had a kinda similar thing happen to me. It is really bad when SLI treat someone like that, then put the blame on them when they try to tell them about it, making the other seem like the bad guy and refusing to take responsibility for what happened. This is a pattern I observed in many SLIs, and to be sure of it, I have seen others talk about it in other forums. SLIs appear likeable to strangers and people who don't know them well but there is a dark side to them that they only show to a close person. This was a hard pill to swallow for me, but it's the truth about them...

I'm only writing this because when I see people thinking that SLIs are angels (unlike Se ego types for example), it seems wrong to me, ofcourse they have their good traits, but I guess this thread is made for the bad. I hope SLIs here don't get offended (this is all from my personal experience and what I heard from others, it is not directed at anyone).

Well Se egos will tell you directly what they think of you while Si egos are more likely to give you the silent treatment and just shun you.

I prefer the latter approach in general - less drama is created that way and oftentimes it is better to just mind your own business.

[Kernel]

Well Se egos will tell you directly what they think of you while Si egos are more likely to give you the silent treatment and just shun you.

I prefer the latter approach in general - less drama is created that way and oftentimes it is better to just mind your own business.

Hm I'm not sure this is Se/Si related, I have seen other types being like you described an Se ego and some Se ego like ISxj who give you the silent treatment.

But SLIs have a way of cutting off people that is really off-putting, out of nowhere (when they feel suffocated in a relation) they will do something that hurts the other person. This is a behavior that needs a serious treatment and it is not mentioned here in this forum maybe because most SLIs don't allow themselves to be that close to people, as to prevent this from happening.

But you can turn a curse into a blessing and the opposite too. There is no sociotype worse than the other. If you find an SLI who is aware of this in himself and fights it even if he fails, then he is an amazing person (I have great sympathy for this kind of SLIs), but if you find an SLI who thinks this behavior is normal, then there is a problem here.

[Cosmic Teapot]

This is true. My intention is not to offend, this is my honest opinion about them based on my experience. SLIs hide their flaws really well if they want to. They can be a devil to you and no one hear of that. I remember a member here named socio? wrote about her experience with an SLI and how he might have had narcissitic personality disorder, how he treated her like she didn't exist after being crazy about her, I had a kinda similar thing happen to me. It is really bad when SLI treat someone like that, then put the blame on them when they try to tell them about it, making the other seem like the bad guy and refusing to take responsibility for what happened. This is a pattern I observed in many SLIs, and to be sure of it, I have seen others talk about it in other forums. SLIs appear likeable to strangers and people who don't know them well but there is a dark side to them that they only show to a close person. This was a hard pill to swallow for me, but it's the truth about them...

I'm only writing this because when I see people thinking that SLIs are angels (unlike Se ego types for example), it seems wrong to me, ofcourse they have their good traits, but I guess this thread is made for the bad. I hope SLIs here don't get offended (this is all from my personal experience and what I heard from others, it is not directed at anyone).

I had similar experiences. Stratiyevskaya has many descriptions on her own blog that support your pov. In her stories SLIs can act horribly if they want to. All in all they're just human. And humans can be repulsive and flawed. The problem is that those descriptions are not translated yet.


edit: most notably the SLI-EIE-conflict relation

[Faith]

This is true. My intention is not to offend, this is my honest opinion about them based on my experience. SLIs hide their flaws really well if they want to. They can be a devil to you and no one hear of that. I remember a member here named socio? wrote about her experience with an SLI and how he might have had narcissitic personality disorder, how he treated her like she didn't exist after being crazy about her, I had a kinda similar thing happen to me. It is really bad when SLI treat someone like that, then put the blame on them when they try to tell them about it, making the other seem like the bad guy and refusing to take responsibility for what happened. This is a pattern I observed in many SLIs, and to be sure of it, I have seen others talk about it in other forums. SLIs appear likeable to strangers and people who don't know them well but there is a dark side to them that they only show to a close person. This was a hard pill to swallow for me, but it's the truth about them...

I'm only writing this because when I see people thinking that SLIs are angels (unlike Se ego types for example), it seems wrong to me, ofcourse they have their good traits, but I guess this thread is made for the bad. I hope SLIs here don't get offended (this is all from my personal experience and what I heard from others, it is not directed at anyone).

I'm glad you mentioning about this again, because actually you were other person that I saw often talking about how mean/unfair one SLI has been in the past with you and in the process speaking about type traits as a whole.

Scio wasn't sure about his partner's type. Hence, I don't think thats useful as an example, he could be any other type completely, and her experience was not similar to yours afaik.

Then, imo, thinking in people in terms of devil and angels is not a correct lens or approach for evaluating people. At the end of the day, they are humans just like you, with ups and downs, strengths and flaws. Otherwise, we tend to judge others harshly while we want others to being all loving, kind, forgiving and accepting with us. People tend to demonize and be afraid of what they don't understand, I don't think thats a positive approach, I mean, unless we consider positive a witch hunt. So I think its useful avoiding a medieval mentality in our approach to others, if not, socionics would just end up being used as a prosecutory tool, instead as a tool of improvement of relations and personal growth.

No one is perfect. The faster we learn and accept that the better. Idealizing others is the quickest recipe to failure. And certainly someone can be a devil for you but an angel for someone else. That just means probably that this person is/was not meant for you. The length of relation is not the key in there, either.

If socionics is useful for something, is to understanding that there exist at least 16 different types of personalities, and thats the reason why there would be little chance of they becoming the incarnation of our expectatives. Not like they exist or were born for that single purpose, either. If you ask me, putting the burden of our happiness in someone else shoulders is kinda unfair and trapping ourself into that belief just increase our feeling of victimization, powerless and sabotage our own responsibility. Trying to make others take responsibility about how we feel is refusing to take responsibility about our own feelings. In this way, all of our relations invariably fall into considering people as demons/angels, and that's an unrealistic and unhealthy way of evaluating people imo (considering them as fellow humans, as independent individuals without giving them more power or responsibility for ourselves than they actually have) and evidence a lack of understanding and emphaty. In this sense, people have the right of talking or hanging around to who they esteem is more convenient, that doesnt make them demons, even if their decision made you feel unwelcome. Its part of considering them as individuals with mind, rights and freedom.

[The Reality Denialist]

Yeah, always collecting pity points.