"Government is a necessary evil"

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@ooo I had written you a long reply but I lost my internet connection for a minute and it seems it was lost when I tried to preview.

better lol

Anyways, I never said "what we have now is the best..." if that's what you're implying. I just wanted to point out that violence has gone down over the last few centuries, I didn't say things were perfect or even better, "better" is subjective anyways.

Basically I think there is alot of confusion behind claiming that "government is a necessary evil". No, it is either a necessary good, or not necessary at all. Pick and choose.

I interpret this as "what we have is all good and well otherwise we wouldn't need it/have it.", or am I making it wrong? If that's the case, no, I don't agree, and that's the black and white picture I was talking about. We might need a gvmnt freely elected by everyone that administers the public good, helps everyone when in need, spreads the knowledge and the resources equally according to the needs, and we might need a law system to grant each one a fair treatment. This is a democracy, ok, but no government can really democracy as on paper. Each country has its innate corruption, each system has its sickened parts; some countries work better than others, some countries are more human than others, but there's no ultimate democracy, rather shady phantoms of it. So to me, given our own inability to survive alone, there might be no better alternative than a government, but that won't make it good.

I gather from what you're writing that you have a problem with the way capitalism governs the world. Ok, but what do you want to replace the current system with?

awareness would be a good thing.

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Basically I think there is alot of confusion behind claiming that "government is a necessary evil". No, it is either a necessary good, or not necessary at all. Pick and choose.

I interpret this as "what we have is all good and well otherwise we wouldn't need it/have it.", or am I making it wrong?

Yes, you're interpreting it wrong.

Are you aware of the way many libertarians claim "government is a necessary evil"? They don't like government, don't even believe in it as a result, but still believe it should exist because it's the lesser of two evils between government and anarchy.

All I'm saying is that if we're going to have government we might as well strive for one we believe in. This poses alot of problems of course, like not everyone agreeing to a "social contract", the government seeming perfect on paper but having many flaws in practice (like you said).

Besides, as I wrote in my OP, this isn't meant to be some dogmatic declaration in stone. I was just re-examining my own former stance as government being a "necessary evil" since I used to beleive that. Now, I don't know what I would label myself politically and it doesn't even matter to me much. Others can label me, lol. They are free to.

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Yes, you're interpreting it wrong.

Are you aware of the way many libertarians claim "government is a necessary evil"? They don't like government, don't even believe in it as a result, but still believe it should exist because it's the lesser of two evils between government and anarchy.

All I'm saying is that if we're going to have government we might as well strive for one we believe in. This poses alot of problems of course, like not everyone agreeing to a "social contract", the government seeming perfect on paper but having many flaws in practice (like you said).

Besides, as I wrote in my OP, this isn't meant to be some dogmatic declaration in stone. I was just re-examining my own former stance as government being a "necessary evil" since I used to beleive that. Now, I don't know what I would label myself politically and it doesn't even matter to me much. Others can label me, lol. They are free to.

Ah okay, no I was not aware of who was saying such a thing, but I doubt the libertarians like Adam Smith could have aimed at some kind of anarchism, the idea behind that liberalism, in fact, was an economic freedom, laissez faire, the state doesn't have to control one's individual trades. That's why I'm critical of that kind of liberalism, not because of the idea per se, but because they used money as their biggest fuel, and we can see the effects of this mindset everywhere today.

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Btw, so much Fi in this thread.