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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    The ones about the intuitive elements kinda-sorta have some truth to them (provided that you mean "object" as opposed to subject rather than physical objects).
    No, I don't mean object as opposed to subject. I mean physical objects (a ball, New York City, a planet...) as well as non-physical objects (or abstract objects) like God, spirit, numbers etc.

    Clearly Ne directs one's attention to potential situations / realities.
    What I mean by 'directs attention' is that Ne focuses on one specific potential object (the most relevant one) out of many potential objects.

    But I have no idea why you think Si = whole and Se = part, it's a non sequitur.
    I don't mean that a car is Si and a wheel is Se. Instead, Si identifies the object and Se focuses on a specific area of the object without knowing what exactly it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
    No, I don't mean object as opposed to subject. I mean physical objects (a ball, New York City, a planet...) as well as non-physical objects (or abstract objects) like God, spirit, numbers etc.
    okay


    What I mean by 'directs attention' is that Ne focuses on one specific potential object (the most relevant one) out of many potential objects.
    This kind of focusing does not seem specific to Ne. Si will also seek out the most suitable thing, Se the most desirable thing etc.


    I don't mean that a car is Si and a wheel is Se. Instead, Si identifies the object and Se focuses on a specific area of the object without knowing what exactly it is.
    Yeah... this is extremely vague and does not define the elements IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    This kind of focusing does not seem specific to Ne. Si will also seek out the most suitable thing, Se the most desirable thing etc.
    Well, only Se and Ne focus/direct attention according to these definitions of the functions.

    I don't see how a function can passively provide data and actively determine an individual's behavior.

    Yeah... this is extremely vague and does not define the elements IMO.
    I didn't mean it like that. Se does not know what exactly it perceives. It is a part/area of an object. Maybe you can call it a "blob", and sometimes an "extended blob" or a line. My point is that Ti (which is only about structural logic or spatial logic ... in my view) needs a certain kind of information. For example, Ti measures/estimates the length between two objects, but it doesn't want detailed information about those objects. It just wants two points, or "blobs", or lines.

    EDIT: An alternative view could be that Se itself does not perceive the area (or "blob"). Instead, it filters away (almost) all the details that are provided by Si.

    Se also moves your attention from one part/area of the object to another part/area of the object... or from one object to another object. Se and Ne deal with motivated interactions between the objects and the subjects (i.e. people).

    EDIT: Yet another view could be that Se just "transports" Ti from one part of the object to another part of the object. An unconscious/semi-conscious Si provides the simplified image (or "blob").
    Last edited by Petter; 06-18-2018 at 03:58 AM.

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