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    Hello guys, new member here.
    Sorry I didn't post in the "introduction" section, but what would be the point anyway, since I'm introducing myself here.
    So long story short, few months ago I was introduced to MBTI, took the test, got my type, though it fitted pretty well, life was beautiful.
    Then I started to research the topic, discovered tests were useless, started doubting my type because you know, "this type may fit better after all", discovered socionics, researched even more, discovered just how much more complex socionics is with respect to MBTI, took a number of tests from different sources, discovered enneagram, started to doubt between 5-6 typings, and now my life is miserable .

    I basically realized that to get out of this rut and be satisfied I would need to study socionics for an amount of time that at the moment I do not posses.
    So, what can help me, I think, is some fresh outside perspective which could ease my pain while I study the subject further .

    I think it would be more interesting, for me and perhaps for others as well, if I just answer a questionnaire and talk about stuff, and only after receiving (hopefully) some feedback discuss about socionics or say what I think my type might be.
    So, without further ado:
    Member Questionnaire 1 (BIONDO)
    What is beauty? What is love?
    Beauty is perfection. Now clearly perfection is just a concept, to have any meaning in the human world it must be relativized. So beauty is what works perfectly/very well for the intended purpose.

    Love is a a feeling of biological origin that us mammals posses in order to cooperate, procreate, ensure the survival of the species, this kind of stuff.

    What are your most important values?
    To conquer this fuvcking world

    Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
    I am not religious in the traditional sense, I refuse to believe on something because someone tells me or because it's written in a book. I am spiritual in the sense that I want to explore what is not known, but it has to either have an "experiential" nature or a practical utility of some sort. Basically I am not interested in your theories about life after death because in the end I will never know if they hold any truth or not until I die, and by then, well by then I will have my answer anyway. Now things are different if you can show me what's life after death like somehow (that would be the most interesting thing ever), or if your life philosophy can improve my life before death by giving me concepts through which I can approach things in more effective ways, be happier, etc.

    Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
    I do not have any opinion on war, I think war is as old as men itself. When you go to the grocery store and see people fighting for their place in the line, that there is war, on a smaller scale. It's just aggressiveness that is intrinsic in humans, animals, probably life itself is aggressive in that it destroys the inanimate nature of the matter. Anyway, nothing can be done about it, it's just part of us.

    Power is when you control your environment more than your environment controls you.

    What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
    I always enjoy a good discussion about politics. I also love when people teach me about something I am interested in, or talk about places I'd like to see. One area that I talk about a lot lately are relationship, I think I tend to ask for advice because I am not very good at understanding other people, so I want to know how people view mutual friends, what do they think of their relationship, etc. That's why I'm here I guess, to understand myself and others.

    And of course I like to talk about sports! I'm not very serious most of the time. I like to tease people and crack stupid jokes. Most of the time I enjoy interactions just for the sheer emotional exchange, you can always come to me and tell me whatever you like. I like small talk.

    My interests are socionics and whatever can improve my condition and that of those close to me, so for example i follow finance and try to make some small trades on occasion, I am interested in nutrition and healthy lifestyle, technology, I read a lot of books about self-improvement... Now the follow up on those things is not always great but I try to get the benefits... I am not interested in the secret life of Madagascar bats...

    Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
    I am a medicine student so ehem, I don't actually have choice

    I am in a medical condition since many years due to a surgery that went bad, basically I have quite bad back problems that I try to fix exercising regularly and keeping an healthy lifestyle. I personally believe that health is the most fundamental thing in life and that we should do our best to preserve it.

    What do you think of daily chores?
    Well I'm not delighted by them but I like the feeling once it's done plus the order and cleanliness.

    Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
    Fight Club, Big Lebovsky, Battle Royale, Fragments of an unknown teaching.

    What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
    I cried the other day after probably 15 years, dunno why. I find a lot of things in this life funny and smile very frequently.

    Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    Alone in the night on a sailing ship adrift the ocean, staring at the moon.

    More commonly, at the park after the LSD trip.

    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    Slowness, slackness, indecisiveness.
    About myself I dislike the fear of not being able to keep up with the perfection in my mind.

    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    Intelligence.
    About myself I like the fact that when I fall, I stand up and try harder.

    In what areas of your life would you like help?
    The concept of wanting help from others feels incredibly alien to me, I believe I'm the only one capable of improving my situation.
    If I could instantly improve some areas of my life, they would be health, independence, ability to better control myself, ability to make better use of my time, improved social skills.

    Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
    I feel stuck in a rut anytime I cannot do thing by myself and must depend on others. I dislike that feeling.

    What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
    I like honest, direct people with a good heart. I like people that you can bond deeply with.
    I truly dislike meaninglessly aggressive people, liars and whoever tries to emotionally manipulate me.
    I have no idea which types I go along with.

    How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
    Sex I like.
    Romance I like as well, problem is for me can be hard to trust the partner.
    Qualities I look for are the same, an honest good natured person that I can bond deeply with.

    If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    Dear son, this is a tough world. Grow up strong and don't let anybody step on your toes.

    A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
    Outwardly I may aggressively try to correct his point of view if I am totally sure of mine, the subject is relevant and I consider him of sufficient intelligence to understand what I'm saying. If I'm not sure of where reality stands or if the subject is of low importance I would probably discuss it in a light hearted way. If he's not intelligent enough I won't bother.

    Inwardly I rarely get emotional about opinions, I may think he's stupid or that I do not understand him.

    On the other hand I am very sensitive about ACTIONS that I consider wrong or disrespectful towards me or people I care about.

    Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
    This is a funny question since I always had weird beliefs that are more or less inconciliable with what is commonly accepted by society. I see people as a part of a more complex system, we all follow the rules of this society but many of us do not acknowledge that those are indeed rules, not truths. They surely live happier but I can't help myself but question: where the truth lies? Just to make an example, they tell you that you should eat grains, bread, pasta and the likes, but where this food comes from? Why it is even food for us humans? Before the invention of windmill for sure we were not picking up grains and eating them raw, and biologically speaking we are no different than men were back then. So what was not food back then, is a food now? I am not saying that grains are evil and will kill you, what I'm saying is that people do not even question what they stuff into their mouth the whole day. Same with religion, I have no problem with it, if anything I think it covers a great social need, problem is, people either believes it because it is the truth, or hates it because it's old and outdated. But how many actually read the bible and THINK about what they are reading? Anyway, I'm rambling.

    How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    You can't really choose friends, you get what life gives you and consider yourself lucky if you get a few true ones you can trust.
    Acquaintances I do not choose either, I go by gut feeling..
    My behavior for the most part stays the same whoever I'm with. I crack jokes, I'm rude, very blunt and honest and I almost never lie. Some will like me, some will hate me.

    How do you behave around strangers?
    Depends on the stranger. I will observe them and get a gut reaction, that can range from very warm to very aggressive with anything in-between.

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    Hello Sol! I will try to make a video soon, I'm under exams atm but should find time in a couple of days.

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    Te + Si? maybe Fe... but you look more like Fi seeking.

    hi Biondo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    Te + Si? maybe Fe... but you look more like Fi seeking.

    hi Biondo!
    Hey ooo

    You think I show Te? interesting... i though I was more Ti.
    Also Si is a remarkable suggestion I have to say! I never took SLI seriously due to me being used to the MBTI equivalent or "the duty fullfiller", that I absolutely do not identify with. But reading the socionics description is actually very different and may fit very well!
    I honestly thought I was an intuitive... Because I interpreted intuition as some sort of deep understanding of things. When you strip a concept to the bare bone essentials in order to apply it to a moltitude of situations. However this may actualy be involutionary thinking... Reading one of the links Sol provided I am starting to realize that intuition is when you don't know if you are right or not but you BELIEVE things will turn out the way you perceive them to be, while sensors would usually not make any assumptions in the first place because they only believe what they see.
    Gosh I'm on a rush, I hope what I wrote made sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    Hey ooo

    You think I show Te? interesting... i though I was more Ti.
    Also Si is a remarkable suggestion I have to say! I never took SLI seriously due to me being used to the MBTI equivalent or "the duty fullfiller", that I absolutely do not identify with. But reading the socionics description is actually very different and may fit very well!
    I honestly thought I was an intuitive... Because I interpreted intuition as some sort of deep understanding of things. When you strip a concept to the bare bone essentials in order to apply it to a moltitude of situations. However this may actualy be involutionary thinking... Reading one of the links Sol provided I am starting to realize that intuition is when you don't know if you are right or not but you BELIEVE things will turn out the way you perceive them to be, while sensors would usually not make any assumptions in the first place because they only believe what they see.
    Gosh I'm on a rush, I hope what I wrote made sense
    Daw, I reread the questionnaire and now can see the Se, I guess it was the med school that swayed me. I was unsure with N too, because of the politic interest and the live and let live attitude, but then the latter can be a P sign over a J one. Anyway. A SLE-Ti should look more like their quasi or their look-alike. I can see that better now... also you remind me a bit of @niffer now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    Daw, I reread the questionnaire and now can see the Se, I guess it was the med school that swayed me.
    ?? Only Si egos go to med school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    ?? Only Si egos go to med school?
    They make sexy nurses.

    No, silly, it's that the job revolves around taking care of one own's body... that is, if one's to do what one finds attunement with. He says he pretty much talks about it often because that's what he studies, so I thought that could be a Si sign. tsk

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    Helo ooo
    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    also you remind me a bit of @niffer now
    But I'm not as rude

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    ESTp according to Reinin calculator

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    ESTp according to Reinin calculator

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    Hi Dee!
    SLE-Ti is what I always get with socionics tests. I think it may be. Only thing is, you know when you go to the barber shop or some other place where testosterone level is generally high, and you see all those strong Se people.. I mean they just SWIM in reality, it's like they are constantly showing off. I'm like them, but not quite. Less in your face, also my interest in telling people what to do is generally low.
    Dichotomies-wise I'm not sure I get all of them, but I especially identify with constructivism and involutionary thinking. Do you think I am negativist?

    Thanks to everybody who took the time to answer!

    EDIT: ok friends, was reading another thread and SLI was labeled "stone wall" due to Fe polr. If so I can't be, I'm very excitable most times.
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    Hi Dee!
    SLE-Ti is what I always get with socionics tests. I think it may be. Only thing is, you know when you go to the barber shop or some other place where testosterone level is generally high, and you see all those strong Se people.. I mean they just SWIM in reality, it's like they are constantly showing off. I'm like them, but not quite. Less in your face, also my interest in telling people what to do is generally low.
    Dichotomies-wise I'm not sure I get all of them, but I especially identify with constructivism and involutionary thinking. Do you think I am negativist?

    Thanks to everybody who took the time to answer!

    EDIT: ok friends, was reading another thread and SLI was labeled "stone wall" due to Fe polr. If so I can't be, I'm very excitable most times.
    You are confusing ESxJ with Se and telling people what to do with ESTp quality. ESxJs have demonstrative Se, so they will try to act like that, but not in your face, so as not to require their dual to respond with a weak function perhaps. Then, telling people what to do (to perform general kind of actions is about Te) is more about Te mental rather than vital (which is not an ESTp trait). This is because our mental blocks are directed toward someone in particular in the outside, while our vital blocks on ourselves and society/the collective, according to my observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    You are confusing ESxJ with Se and telling people what to do with ESTp quality. ESxJs have demonstrative Se, so they will try to act like that, but not in your face, so as not to require their dual to respond with a weak function perhaps. Then, telling people what to do (to perform general kind of actions is about Te) is more about Te mental rather than vital (which is not an ESTp trait). This is because our mental blocks are directed toward someone in particular in the outside, while our vital blocks on ourselves and society/the collective, according to my observation.
    Hello Dee
    I do not understand your point, are you suggesting I may be ESxJ?

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    Have you ever had legal or criminal trouble as teenager or adult?

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    Quote Originally Posted by falsehope View Post
    Have you ever had legal or criminal trouble as teenager or adult?
    are you testing him for antisocial personality disorder?

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    Hello falsehope and teapot!
    Lmao I'm not antisocial
    I was caught once with pot, but it had no legal consequences
    Also when I was young I used to steal things from shops (only multinational corporations!! Robin Hood-like) but I never got caught =)

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    @Biondo why do you want to "conquer this fucking world"? What does that entail?

    If you find aggression natural in general, what do you find "meaninglessly aggressive" behaviour?

    "MBTI equivalent or "the duty fullfiller", that I absolutely do not identify with"

    Absolutely not? Why not?


    Overall what's for sure so far: you are a T/Logical type (needing F/Ethics advice). Probably ST>NT. I saw hints of two-dimensional Ni, but not sure on that one & You don't give me a SLE impression overall so far, but I could be wrong there.

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    Hello Myst, hello everybody. Sorry for not being around much but I'm under exams and every time I open the forum half a day flies away..

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    @Biondo why do you want to "conquer this fucking world"? What does that entail?

    If you find aggression natural in general, what do you find "meaninglessly aggressive" behaviour?

    "MBTI equivalent or "the duty fullfiller", that I absolutely do not identify with"

    Absolutely not? Why not?


    Overall what's for sure so far: you are a T/Logical type (needing F/Ethics advice). Probably ST>NT. I saw hints of two-dimensional Ni, but not sure on that one & You don't give me a SLE impression overall so far, but I could be wrong there.
    I think I talk alot about health because it heavily impacted my worldview.
    When I was 16 I had 2 surgeries on my knee due to a disease where some bone would fragment so I did cartilage implant and could not push the foot to the ground for 2 months. Whene I started to walk again I discovered I could not due to pain, I stayed in this condition for many years because orthopedics would focus on the hole on the knee while I was convinced the problem was muscular because leg had lost all mobility, I could not bent it nor extend it and it lookek like Gollum's leg. In the end I was right and managed to somewhat fix it by myself by doing exercises to restore the correct posture of the leg despite everyone telling me it was impossible.

    Being in a condition of weakness gives an interesting perpective. You see how brutal this world is. I realize I came off as a turd with the "conquer" stuff but what I basically meant is that, this world made me cynical. I would like to believe in honor, love, unicorns and other magical things but what I've learnt is that what you really want will not come at you, you have to take it. It reminds me of that scene from the motorcycle diaries (great movie btw) where the young Che Guevara (I'm not comunist!!1! lol) says he has asthma and has to fight for every breath. It's more of a life philosophy than me harassing people.

    I can't judge my own aggressiveness so I don't know if what annoys me is also what I'm doing all the time . But with meaningless I basically meant, when it comes from idiots.

    On the duty fullfiller, well that just sounds boring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    What do you mean by "linear"?

    The hardest thing for me in a relationship is trusting the other person.
    Your thinking came off as linear but I could be wrong... what do you say?


    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    I am open to the possibility of being an ethic but I always associated to logic more naturally. Also I am not particularly good with people
    I did say you are very likely a Logical type, yeah, the other possibility is that it's just Fe dual seeking of LxI, whatever you said about emotional exchanges. I've yet to hear any SLE say it like that, their Fe HA just doesn't seem to work that way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    I think I talk alot about health because it heavily impacted my worldview.
    When I was 16 I had 2 surgeries on my knee due to a disease where some bone would fragment so I did cartilage implant and could not push the foot to the ground for 2 months. Whene I started to walk again I discovered I could not due to pain, I stayed in this condition for many years because orthopedics would focus on the hole on the knee while I was convinced the problem was muscular because leg had lost all mobility, I could not bent it nor extend it and it lookek like Gollum's leg. In the end I was right and managed to somewhat fix it by myself by doing exercises to restore the correct posture of the leg despite everyone telling me it was impossible.
    Cool, your own invented exercises or what?


    Being in a condition of weakness gives an interesting perpective. You see how brutal this world is. I realize I came off as a turd with the "conquer" stuff but what I basically meant is that, this world made me cynical. I would like to believe in honor, love, unicorns and other magical things but what I've learnt is that what you really want will not come at you, you have to take it. It reminds me of that scene from the motorcycle diaries (great movie btw) where the young Che Guevara (I'm not comunist!!1! lol) says he has asthma and has to fight for every breath. It's more of a life philosophy than me harassing people.
    Lol what do you mean by unicorns, pls tell me bc I don't get it

    Agreed about how you have to do things to get where you want to get.

    It's a very Se life philosophy there btw.


    On the duty fullfiller, well that just sounds boring!
    Just because the description sounds boring it doesn't mean it can't be your type. I mean, the people with that type are not boring, just the description is. If that makes sense...


    On the friends, I grew up in a small town and I consider true friends those that I know from a lifetime. I think one needs time to truly know somebody and it's not always possible to estabilish this kind of bond with many people, whose friendship is still enjoy but consider to be something more superficial.

    I do care much more about how others feels towards me, what I feel toward others is less defined; ideally I feel like I should like everybody, obviously it is not like that in reality but is like I feel I should like everybody as a standard, and I can feel sort of guilty if I do not. It's less charachterized.
    On the Ni thing, it is where all my typing problems lie: I like it so much, that I always wonder if it can be out of my ego block. I did consider IEI at a point but my ethics are just too poor.
    Did you have a problem with LSI as your type? Rather than SLE-Ti.

    This stuff just doesn't sound like Fi PoLR.

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    Hello Myst

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Your thinking came off as linear but I could be wrong... what do you say?
    Well, I take it as a compliment

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I did say you are very likely a Logical type, yeah, the other possibility is that it's just Fe dual seeking of LxI, whatever you said about emotional exchanges. I've yet to hear any SLE say it like that, their Fe HA just doesn't seem to work that way.
    You might be onto something here

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Cool, your own invented exercises or what?
    Nope I did not invent anything... I studied yoga, pilates, asked physiotherapysts.. Loss of mobility can be fixed if you are reasonably young and are willing to do the proper exercises, It only takes patience. For me was hard psychologically because I had to find a solution by myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Lol what do you mean by unicorns, pls tell me bc I don't get it

    Agreed about how you have to do things to get where you want to get.

    It's a very Se life philosophy there btw.
    Unicorns I mean that some people for example believe that "Time will fix everything" or other bullshit.. I mean things will not change unless you put some effort. Otherwise there would be no unhappy people.. in a perfect world. But this world is not perfect!

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Just because the description sounds boring it doesn't mean it can't be your type. I mean, the people with that type are not boring, just the description is. If that makes sense...
    Yes it was a superficial answer. And I don't think socionics SLI is actually a duty fulfiller... but well, if I do something, I want to express my creativity in it, so just filling papers seems not stimulating. Also confort I don't find very important, and I'm quite excitable so Fe polr seems unlikely. Another thing, my memory is just bad, very very bad. If you ask me what I ate yesterday I think 5 minutes but still don't know..


    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Did you have a problem with LSI as your type? Rather than SLE-Ti.

    This stuff just doesn't sound like Fi PoLR.
    I'd like to be LSI! But I'm friend with one, and I think I can spot his Ne Polr. He seems very resistent to new ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    Well, I take it as a compliment
    Okay lol


    Unicorns I mean that some people for example believe that "Time will fix everything" or other bullshit.. I mean things will not change unless you put some effort. Otherwise there would be no unhappy people.. in a perfect world. But this world is not perfect!
    Time does fix e.g. some feelings actually. But I otherwise agree with you. I say these same things myself.


    Yes it was a superficial answer. And I don't think socionics SLI is actually a duty fulfiller... but well, if I do something, I want to express my creativity in it, so just filling papers seems not stimulating. Also confort I don't find very important, and I'm quite excitable so Fe polr seems unlikely. Another thing, my memory is just bad, very very bad. If you ask me what I ate yesterday I think 5 minutes but still don't know..
    The MBTI "duty fulfiller" isn't Fe PoLR or comfort-oriented. SLI is those things, sure, but don't mix it with the MBTI types.


    I'd like to be LSI! But I'm friend with one, and I think I can spot his Ne Polr. He seems very resistent to new ideas.
    Alright then that type is out.


    The thing is I am not as "in the moment" as some Se people I see around me everyday. I always have a "delay"; I am not at all impulsive, but actually like to foresight things... I can't push people around nor have any interest in doing so. I don't lie. If all this this is common for a SLE-Ti, then that's what I am.
    I would say SLE is out too.


    No other idea atm though, sorry. I'll post if I do think of more.

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    Medicine is not very difficult subject and and any type can be a medic. I guess they are many reasons why people choose to be a medic so the type distribution must be well diversified. In case school is hard (not difficult but demanding like long hours and lot's of material) there could be more T types to pass the exams. But I don't see specifically Si types better at passing exams then other types.

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    I think you are ESTp

    Some examples of Se:
    "What are your most important values?
    To conquer this fuvcking world"

    "If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    Dear son, this is a tough world. Grow up strong and don't let anybody step on your toes."

    "In what areas of your life would you like help?
    The concept of wanting help from others feels incredibly alien to me, I believe I'm the only one capable of improving my situation
    And the fact that you completely brushed off the Fi-ness of the first question.


    I do not have any opinion on war, I think war is as old as men itself. When you go to the grocery store and see people fighting for their place in the line, that there is war, on a smaller scale. It's just aggressiveness that is intrinsic in humans, animals, probably life itself is aggressive in that it destroys the inanimate nature of the matter. Anyway, nothing can be done about it, it's just part of us
    This is the Beta mentality, believing that fighting and the struggle for power/ territory/ resources is an inherent part of life, seeing power dynamics in small scale interactions.

    I'm not very serious most of the time. I like to tease people and crack stupid jokes. Most of the time I enjoy interactions just for the sheer emotional exchange, you can always come to me and tell me whatever you like. I like small talk.
    Sounds like you are a merry (Fe valuing) type. I think a Delta ST would care more about their interactions being productive in the objective sense.


    "I see people as a part of a more complex system, we all follow the rules of this society but many of us do not acknowledge that those are indeed rules, not truths."

    "I am not religious in the traditional sense, I refuse to believe on something because someone tells me or because it's written in a book."
    Valuing Ti and devaluing Te


    "How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    You can't really choose friends, you get what life gives you and consider yourself lucky if you get a few true ones you can trust.
    Acquaintances I do not choose either, I go by gut feeling..
    My behavior for the most part stays the same whoever I'm with. I crack jokes, I'm rude, very blunt and honest and I almost never lie. Some will like me, some will hate me."
    You mentioned trust a few times which is probably a sign of Fi polr. SLEs want trustworthy people around them because they worry about being deceived or betrayed and they have difficulty guessing the true motives of others. Not sure what you meant by "you can't choose friends"? Why not? You seem to care more about how others feel towards you than how you feel about them which again is a sign of Fe HA/ Fi polr.


    "Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    Alone in the night on a sailing ship adrift the ocean, staring at the moon."
    This struck me as a Ni valuing thing to say.


    Also, I recommend reading the SLE-Se subtype description to see if you relate to it. One of the things it says is this: "Appreciate life and tend to watch over their health, periodically exercising through sports/gymnastics." You did mention your health a couple times, which people tend to associate with Si but not necessarily the case.

    Otherwise I would've typed you the same type as me because i relate to mostly everything you said (besides the Se and Fi polr stuff) but I think you are an IEI inside out ie SLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    I think you are ESTp

    Some examples of Se:
    And the fact that you completely brushed off the Fi-ness of the first question.


    This is the Beta mentality, believing that fighting and the struggle for power/ territory/ resources is an inherent part of life, seeing power dynamics in small scale interactions.

    Sounds like you are a merry (Fe valuing) type. I think a Delta ST would care more about their interactions being productive in the objective sense.


    Valuing Ti and devaluing Te



    You mentioned trust a few times which is probably a sign of Fi polr. SLEs want trustworthy people around them because they worry about being deceived or betrayed and they have difficulty guessing the true motives of others. Not sure what you meant by "you can't choose friends"? Why not? You seem to care more about how others feel towards you than how you feel about them which again is a sign of Fe HA/ Fi polr.


    This struck me as a Ni valuing thing to say.


    Also, I recommend reading the SLE-Se subtype description to see if you relate to it. One of the things it says is this: "Appreciate life and tend to watch over their health, periodically exercising through sports/gymnastics." You did mention your health a couple times, which people tend to associate with Si but not necessarily the case.

    Otherwise I would've typed you the same type as me because i relate to mostly everything you said (besides the Se and Fi polr stuff) but I think you are an IEI inside out ie SLE.
    Hello Seraph, thanks for your post. Very informative.
    Onto your questions:

    I am absolutely horrified about being deceived or betrayed. It truly scares me. To the point that it has ruined some relationship in the past. But then again, here in Italy we had a politician that used to say "to think badly it is a sin but often you are right".

    On the friends, I grew up in a small town and I consider true friends those that I know from a lifetime. I think one needs time to truly know somebody and it's not always possible to estabilish this kind of bond with many people, whose friendship is still enjoy but consider to be something more superficial.

    I do care much more about how others feels towards me, what I feel toward others is less defined; ideally I feel like I should like everybody, obviously it is not like that in reality but is like I feel I should like everybody as a standard, and I can feel sort of guilty if I do not. It's less charachterized.

    On the Ni thing, it is where all my typing problems lie: I like it so much, that I always wonder if it can be out of my ego block. I did consider IEI at a point but my ethics are just too poor.

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    Hello, Biondo! Welcome to the forum! I'm going to agree with the people who think you are probably SLE. All the reasons why have already been laid out by other posters. You might find you relate closely to the SLE-Ti subtype description? http://sociotype.com/socionics/types/SLE-ESTp/subtypes/ Here you can read about both subtypes and compare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaiviay View Post
    Hello, Biondo! Welcome to the forum! I'm going to agree with the people who think you are probably SLE. All the reasons why have already been laid out by other posters. You might find you relate closely to the SLE-Ti subtype description? http://sociotype.com/socionics/types/SLE-ESTp/subtypes/ Here you can read about both subtypes and compare
    Hello Xaiviay
    Yes I can relate to both SLE descriptions, probably SLE-Ti more so. But then again I relate also to LIE descriptions for example.

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    Welp, by the end of your post I thought probably SLE like many others here.

    However ... there was a lot of conscious emphasis on aggression and being aggressive, and that strikes me as unusual for SLEs, who ime don’t make a bunch of proclamations about force and aggression. They simply have a solid, energetic forcefulness to them, and the only sense in which I find them being try-hard is that some of them try extremely hard to be funny. But they often are actually funny, it’s just kind of in your face.

    So I’m wondering what type would place a lot of emphasis on being aggressive and conquering. Maybe an actual SLE who has just been reading too much stuff about what SLEs are like. Or maybe something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Welp, by the end of your post I thought probably SLE like many others here.

    However ... there was a lot of conscious emphasis on aggression and being aggressive, and that strikes me as unusual for SLEs, who ime don’t make a bunch of proclamations about force and aggression. They simply have a solid, energetic forcefulness to them, and the only sense in which I find them being try-hard is that some of them try extremely hard to be funny. But they often are actually funny, it’s just kind of in your face.

    So I’m wondering what type would place a lot of emphasis on being aggressive and conquering. Maybe an actual SLE who has just been reading too much stuff about what SLEs are like. Or maybe something else.
    Hello golden
    Clever observation; indeed it's more the fact that I try to be "realistic" and act accordingly to how I perceive things to work rather than actually being aggressive. But then again I may see things that way because there is where the focus of my cognition lies

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    hey there

    i was imagining u and her as this kind of friendly, active, outgoing people, yet able to sit down and get the shit down to reach the goals you want to reach. lol your comment made me laugh... maybe it's because she's an H subtype? you seem more Te, even in these last comments~

    also, in bocca al lupo for your exams!!, (don't) break a leg!

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    I vote ESTp as well. When you say people fighting for a spot in line is a war that sounds like Ni, but not this grand vision use of Ni more a use of it in your immediate environment.

    You also say humanity has a natural aggressiveness, it's just who we are, Se, it's just who Se leads egos.

    You rarely get emotional about an opinion and internally think the person is stupid and you do not understand them, Ti.

    You ask questions about how to understand people, you seek Fe advice, read IEI-SLE duality and that is described in there.

    You said your most important value is to conquer this fucking world, if that's not ESTp then I don't know what is, that could be LIE but you don't seem Te first and you seem less serious than LIE, and you like small talk for the emotional exchange, not LIE, LIE hates small talk just get to the point already with them.

    Also the movies you like, there's like 3 Se-ish movies and the last one has an Ni-ish title.
    you hate theories (Ne superego block?)

    Also your answer to what love is is very Ti and lines up with what Joe Rogan thinks love is and he is also ESTp, and you take LSD trips in the park lol.

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    Hello Lord!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    I vote ESTp as well. When you say people fighting for a spot in line is a war that sounds like Ni, but not this grand vision use of Ni more a use of it in your immediate environment.
    Sigh I tough my Ni was quite sophisticated!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    You also say humanity has a natural aggressiveness, it's just who we are, Se, it's just who Se leads egos.
    And not only humans! For example in the savannah, every morning a gazzelle wakes up and she has to run faster than the lion, etc. etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    You rarely get emotional about an opinion and internally think the person is stupid and you do not understand them, Ti.
    yup

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    You said your most important value is to conquer this fucking world, if that's not ESTp then I don't know what is, that could be LIE but you don't seem Te first and you seem less serious than LIE, and you like small talk for the emotional exchange, not LIE, LIE hates small talk just get to the point already with them.
    well one thing that I can say for sure is that I am not very serious at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    you hate theories (Ne superego block?)
    I actually love theories IF they have an application in reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    and you take LSD trips in the park lol.
    lmao

    Anyway lately I was convinced I was LIE. But you are providing some very reasonable points.
    The thing is I am not as "in the moment" as some Se people I see around me everyday. I always have a "delay"; I am not at all impulsive, but actually like to foresight things... I can't push people around nor have any interest in doing so. I don't lie. If all this this is common for a SLE-Ti, then that's what I am.

    What's your type btw?

    EDIT: actuallt LIE-Te is described as spontaneous, emotional and unrestrained

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    Hello Lord!



    Sigh I tough my Ni was quite sophisticated!



    And not only humans! For example in the savannah, every morning a gazzelle wakes up and she has to run faster than the lion, etc. etc.



    yup



    well one thing that I can say for sure is that I am not very serious at all



    I actually love theories IF they have an application in reality



    lmao

    Anyway lately I was convinced I was LIE. But you are providing some very reasonable points.
    The thing is I am not as "in the moment" as some Se people I see around me everyday. I always have a "delay"; I am not at all impulsive, but actually like to foresight things... I can't push people around nor have any interest in doing so. I don't lie. If all this this is common for a SLE-Ti, then that's what I am.

    What's your type btw?

    EDIT: actuallt LIE-Te is described as spontaneous, emotional and unrestrained
    Hm, if I read it again I could probably make a case for that, except the liking small talk for emotional exchange, I think it would be 70-30% divide between how many ENTjs like small talk vs don't, it's quite a LIE lament "Ugh, I hate small talk!".

    Also spontaneous, emotional, and unrestrained sounds very SLE too lol. Especially unrestrained.

    Also ENTjs can push people around too, since their Te is trying to organize the environment for efficiency, and they have Ni long term goals, so their Te will bulldoze through others or push others around to get to that Ni goal.

    well we know you value Ni and Se.

    Do you normally take action before you have a plan, or do you have to plan things out first then take action?
    And how do you experience emotions? Are they this alien experience that you can't make sense out of and stops you from being able to get things done?
    Or are they felt in environments filled with positivity?

    The way you type reminds me of a video I saw with Mila Kunis doing and interview, she's SLE and she's kind of goofy and not s serious.

    My type is EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Do you normally take action before you have a plan, or do you have to plan things out first then take action?
    Hard to answer. Say in the morning if I'm early I'll walk, if late take the undeground. I cannot book holydays 6 month earlier as many do because for me vacations means being free so having a fixed plan would kill the holydays. However, in study-related stuff I really need to plan to keep myself productive. Without planning I end up wasting lot of time, instead knowing what to do day by day helps me accomplish tasks with maximum efficiency. Also chores I arrange as to make best use of time, I really like tidyness for example so when I need something I know where to find it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    And how do you experience emotions? Are they this alien experience that you can't make sense out of and stops you from being able to get things done?
    This is the first time I read of emotions described this way and it is actually very accurate...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Or are they felt in environments filled with positivity?
    Yes also but I have a "limit" for that, social stimulation "numbs" me after some time

    Also, can someone explain me why reinin defines intuition as "integrity of internal/external situation"? This may help me understand the difference between Ni/Ti

    EDIT: I still think I am LIE-Ni
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    Hard to answer. Say in the morning if I'm early I'll walk, if late take the undeground. I cannot book holydays 6 month earlier as many do because for me vacations means being free so having a fixed plan would kill the holydays. However, in study-related stuff I really need to plan to keep myself productive. Without planning I end up wasting lot of time, instead knowing what to do day by day helps me accomplish tasks with maximum efficiency. Also chores I arrange as to make best use of time, I really like tidyness for example so when I need something I know where to find it.



    This is the first time I read of emotions described this way and it is actually very accurate...



    Yes also but I have a "limit" for that, social stimulation "numbs" me after some time

    Also, can someone explain me why reinin defines intuition as "integrity of internal/external situation"? This may help me understand the difference between Ni/Ti

    EDIT: I still think I am LIE-Ni


    Your first answer sounds like he has some Te in it, you like to make the best use of your time, maximum efficiency, but if you are SLE you would have demonstrative Te so that makes sense there.

    Hm, what you say about social stimulation actually sounds like mobilizing Fe. Because that function is pleasant to use but has a limit, it's moreso used for relaxation.


    I have a few other questions.

    You said you really need to plan. Now does that mean you plan often or just that when you do plan it helps?

    When learning how to do something new, do you try to learn everything about it, or do you only try to learn the information that's useful?

    When you are around people do you enjoy people who are very emotionally expressive or do those people annoy you?


    I think I could make a case for both SLE and LIE based off some things you said, so it's actually getting harder to figure out what you might be for me lol.

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    Hmm my problem with SLE or any Se lead type is this post by OP

    "SLE-Ti is what I always get with socionics tests. I think it may be. Only thing is, you know when you go to the barber shop or some other place where testosterone level is generally high, and you see all those strong Se people.. I mean they just SWIM in reality, it's like they are constantly showing off. I'm like them, but not quite. Less in your face, also my interest in telling people what to do is generally low."

    Or maybe that's a subtype difference between SxE-Se and SLE-Ti, OP would have to elaborate more on the differences.

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    What other kinds of profits would an ILE prefer? Superior knowledge? Omg who cares about that?

    Yeah like he’s never going to quit smoking or drinking beer because “that’s what real men do”, he carries around a pocket knife that his grandfather used in the war of guinea, he opens door for ladies (!!) and do not swear in their presence (!!!) and if you try to explain him that those behaviors are meaningless in the modern world he won’t care. But beside this he’s a very intelligent and logical person
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    What other kinds of profits would an ILE prefer? Superior knowledge? Omg who cares about that?
    Anyone with more expertise on ILEs please correct if this is off-base. My observations of ILEs are that one way they “profit” is by making something new, such as these specific things I’ve seen lol:

    * a new kind of preschool using innovative education approaches
    * a rock band that combines elements of southern gospel and punk
    * artworks that use materials in novel ways, such as a surfboard used as a medium for photo transfer or dozens of papers connected into a long scroll depicting an auto race horizontally
    * a mountain bike course capitalizing on features of the natural terrain

    Whether money follows is not the core issue, although it seems like ILEs can do okay moneywise. I have seen them live without terrible stress on very little money, and I’ve seen them make a good bit of money as a result of their activities and manage it well. Tho they can sometimes drop a lot of cash on specific big-ticket items that capture their fancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Anyone with more expertise on ILEs please correct if this is off-base. My observations of ILEs are that one way they “profit” is by making something new, such as these specific things I’ve seen lol:

    * a new kind of preschool using innovative education approaches
    * a rock band that combines elements of southern gospel and punk
    * artworks that use materials in novel ways, such as a surfboard used as a medium for photo transfer or dozens of papers connected into a long scroll depicting an auto race horizontally
    * a mountain bike course capitalizing on features of the natural terrain

    Whether money follows is not the core issue, although it seems like ILEs can do okay moneywise. I have seen them live without terrible stress on very little money, and I’ve seen them make a good bit of money as a result of their activities and manage it well. Tho they can sometimes drop a lot of cash on specific big-ticket items that capture their fancy.
    pheww I’m not ILE lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondo View Post
    What other kinds of profits would an ILE prefer? Superior knowledge? Omg who cares about that?
    Innovation, scientific discovery, technology

    "Superior knowledge" seems more like gamma NT, esp ILI


    Yeah like he’s never going to quit smoking or drinking beer because “that’s what real men do”, he carries around a pocket knife that his grandfather used in the war of guinea, he opens door for ladies (!!) and do not swear in their presence (!!!) and if you try to explain him that those behaviors are meaningless in the modern world he won’t care. But beside this he’s a very intelligent and logical person
    Thanks for the examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Innovation, scientific discovery, technology

    "Superior knowledge" seems more like gamma NT, esp ILI




    Thanks for the examples
    you’re welcome

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