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domr
Yes yes I agree, and don't get me wrong please, I enjoy thinking of these details and trying to make sense out of the Model A, the problem is that I think it is built fairly well. I don't think it contains the entire truth or that reality can be described by it in the best possible way, yet the job it does is perfectly in line with what is a dualistic conception of the world, expressed by Jung but by many others before him too. You can get lost in time if you try to track who was the first to separate Fire/Water etc, I tried and discovered that all religions had similar ideas... but there's another important theory that is left out of socionics, and that's gone in parallel to dualism for millennia, it's the tri-folded division of the world, like the particles of matter made by a proton, a neutron and an electron. 3 elements, instead of 2. How would that be? I see too that some parts of the socion are redundant, maybe some different construction should be sought.
I'll try to answer to your other considerations from the other thread too, it's all connected.
Yes, we can say that the entire ego is what keeps out the unconscious, actually the entire conscious blocks do that. To put order in this we have to understand how the evaluation of functions work, we don't value the ego because we value it. That's no reason. The mirror of valued and unvalued functions revolves around what you lack and what you have, that is dualism, the greatest you lack (DS), the greatest you can be yourself (base), it's the core exclusion= the lack of DS allows the base to take shape; this is how all functions work, they'll need their complementary. Now, from this fundamental core, that will be made of 4 elements (the dual pair, and the following excluded one, eg. Ne base - Si DS; Se role - Ni ignoring), you can add the other 4 particles that make you what you are: an auxiliary, and then a mobilizing, a Polr and a demonstrative. Each pair is made of complementary functions. Each pair excludes the others. From this second addition you see that it's the creative to sort of tame our unconscious, the demonstrative. They exclude each other, as your creative even exclude the Polr and the mobilizing. You can say that dimensionally the demonstrative is stronger, but that's why it's called demonstrative; the unconscious is so strong to escape the confines, sometimes; and the limits, in this case, are the use of creative, to which demonstrative is but another kind of complementary. We have more freedom in the demonstrative because base is not directly in its way through it, so maybe that's why we access the unconscious through the creative, because the unconscious is a result of what we keep out thanks to creative. Remove it, and you'll realize that it's the lack of Polr to feed on your unconscious...
As a matter of facts though, we can't just bring to the surface all the potent forces that we keep tamed in us without changing ourselves, if we do this switch we'd change our nature, that is the sum of everything we keep in a certain way. That's why the order of functions in the unconscious of an IEE must be different from the conscious of an EIE, they can resemble each other when you switch the order of their natural flow, but if that happens then that will be another type, operating in its new specific modus. The unconscious of a normal IEE will always operate with the functions of a EIE, but that's why they're a IEE, so if you bring the unconscious to take control over your total conscious, you'll become your quasi type.
It makes sense to say that all the16 pair functions operate in a way in the conscious, and in another in the unconscious, but how does that exactly work? You can't expect 2 quasis to use functions in the same way, but you can't expect a contrary and a mirror to use functions the same as you, either. Not to mention that you shouldn't expect that your identicals will work exactly like you. Anyway. Each type has their own way to go through functions that won't be of the same kind of the types who use those functions in their ego. Eg., you're an IEE, you won't become an IEI when you use Ni and Fe, Ni and Fe will be elaborated by your own base functions, so you'll be a mix of all those functions when you process through ID. It will be a good mix, an inspired state, but you won't use those functions like a IEI, you'll still be your type. Same if you use Se and Ti, you won't become a SLE, but mix those functions to your core ego functions. And it's the same for the functions of your quasi, you'll still elaborate Fe and Ni through Ne and Fi, which again should be stimulating. In all these cases it's the original value order to dictate, as you said, the base always wins. But now we know why.
Simply, if you let the unconscious take over, you'll invert the order of values and this implies to change the nature of the type. It's not the same as being of the previous type and use all the 8 functions, all types use all the functions in a way or the other. As you said before, fe., a NiFe can have all the possible sort of ways to be translated, for all the types that use it that are not IEI.
You can access the flow of your unconscious by letting the creative recognize itself as weaker in front of the demonstrative, an exclusion that can't be hidden. But if you do this, you'll become your quasi type. At that point the Fe/Ni pair won't work as it did in your IEE unconscious, but will control your processes, your nature, so it will be another interpretation of reality, you'll be a FeNi.
Going through this papyri, you're right, the accepting/producing dichotomy doesn't seem to come in help. I think though that it comes in help when comparing quasis, the content flow otherwise would be the same, while in this way we know that the base function is sort of unchangeable, and the demonstrative is a product of something else.
(I'm not sure this makes any sense at all, but basically I'm saying that, for the current states of dichotomies, it makes sense that there are 16 different kinds... you're proposing to erase some dichotomies, but doing that should change some types too... like the quasis could effectively switch from valued to unvalued functions, if there's no further element to keep them but the total strength of their core functions, that is that by dimensionaity they're the same... so what else can make a difference? How we use them, aka accepting/producing.)*
* edited because nonsense.