i feel like beta is trying to be nice when they call it counter intuitive but its just their inability to process it via Ti and based on the presupposition being tired is some kind of weakness. so the default presumption is its preposterous unless proven because to hold that position is a form of well-meaning egalitarian impulse not to impute weakness to anyone without ironclad Ti justification. whereas the other camp just looks at it from the phenomenological standpoint of it being an equally valid if not preferable experience and wants to investigate how it does fit in. in other words, its surprising its such a polarizing subject but I guess in retrospect it shouldnt be. I dont live my life like an unending sports match and I don't feel like it means I'm depressed, or otherwise in need of professional care. its the flipside to pathologizing any sort of normal psychological disposition. one person's tiredness may be depressive because of their baseline state, whereas another person's activity might be psychotic acting out because of their baseline state. it is fundamentally the problem of projection all over again