dunno, I always seem to have some kind of problem with ppl who type LIE on this forum, with specific exceptions like Uncle Ave.
Its usually me who starts the conflict, finds the fault in the LIE's argument and thinks low of him/her.. or I just think they are dumb, clueless or something along the lines. (not trying to offend)
nanashi
Adam Strange
Alonzo
Duschia
.. to name a few. I wonder why this is.
It's because you are Alpha. Probably SEI.Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Its usually me who starts the conflict, finds the fault in the LIE's argument and thinks low of him/her.. or I just think they are dumb, clueless or something along the lines. (not trying to offend)
nanashi
Adam Strange
Alonzo
Duschia
.. to name a few. I wonder why this is.
Embrace the Si.
What would a SEI criticize ILE for just as an example?
Example:
Alonzo:
My beef with it:What is so frustrating and devastating to me is that your own empathy blindness prohibits you from seeing the parallel between your experience and how an entire continent and its people were robbed of their potential and plundered for centuries by European, white supremacist oppression, forcing Africans into artificial, long lasting, generational poverty because their lands and resources were exploited and completely depleted to the benefit of the Europeans.
You have the unmitigated gall to call Africans “dangerous” when Europeans would not be where they are today if not for wanton destroying, conquering, looting, pillaging, extorting, raping, slaughtering, enslaving and subjugating there way to preeminence. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on earth, which means that both the lowest and highest IQs exist there–but studies have shown that environment is the most significant contributor to IQ, and that generations of undernourishment and poverty negatively impacted it. The majority of Africans haven’t been privy to the type of structured interventions that helped “save” your life, and oddly enough they are still capable of being engineers, scientists, entrepreneurs, politicians and scholars--funny that if they are somehow innately inferior.
And you want to pat yourself on the back simply because Europeans got lucky? Lol Sheer luck and opportunity comprise the bulk of white people's success. In every group, there will always be a few innovators who think outside the box and do things that catapults the whole group forward. As people began leaving Africa, they kept encountering environments and circumstances, over thousands of years, that forced them to adapt and innovate. Cue "Guns, Germs and Steel" and voila--world conquerors.
This is absolute feeler garbage with 0 knowledge of actual world history, no understanding of geopolitics, global trade or power dynamics.
Just western propaganda you sucked up due to your upbringing. I swear, western European countries and commonwealth nations are full of well meaning, but ultimately misinformed softies who haven't felt true oppression in centuries. Arrogant moral puritans.
Meanwhile ppl like me who's ancestors had 0 to do with the slave trade, who's ancestors have been occupied and enslaved for 158 years by Muslim Ottomans (the USA is less than 250 years old), taken as slaves to be used & abused, we who had to suffer through Russian, Mongol, German, Ottoman invasions, fucking communism and all that shit.. I have to just sit idly by and allow ourselves to be lectured by privileged western retards about the nature of our race, the folly of our civilizations and the color of our skin! Well fuck you man! Fuck off.. the EU needs to go fuck off as well.
Tired of this shit all over the place.. "you are cis a white male!', "white supremacy!", "you are at fault for everything!", "how DARE you hold nonwhites to the same standard and apply the law!?" Fuck you people!
And fuck all of you who liked this retard's post. You know who you are.
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I only know of one female SEI-Fe and a male ILE-Ti, and she totally has his back while still being in charge. The only time she's said anything to me about him that was slightly disparaging was when she implied that he would do better if he acted more mature. But I'm not sure that that really bothers her.
What would a SEI criticize ILE for just as an example?
I'm really not the best person to comment on this question.
Where one type is stronger than other type. For example, SEI may recommend a better recipe or clothes choice (Si) or what thinks as more decent behavior in a situation (Fe).
The familiar ESI criticised how rude I treated some people (Fi).
Most of the disapproval I get from SEIs or at least Si valuers in general has been about their standards for clothing or makeup or behavior....Many express horrification at my choices. And some intimate I'll never be loved and will be shunned.
I think of a lot of that stuff functionally. Yes, I might not have my hair mermaid plaited and my face contoured, but I have short shorts on under my sparkly cocktail dress (easier to dance dramatically and however I want to when the mood hits me) and a friendly straightforwardness, and I end up dancing with more people than they do in the club, so...I'm not getting held back by not conforming.
I personally have the feeling the conflicts between these two are about Te. The LIE is the more aggressive/pushy of the two and it speaks in the language of the SEI's PoLR, prioritizing everything according to it. I am reminded of a conflict in my family between an IEI and LSE - it centered on Te. She didn't like his Te basically. She felt he had hidden motives. She didn't like how everything was on this schedule and how it's like he was never present but just going from point to point like a relentless task master (he's laid back at each point, but still the schedule is how he organizes social gatherings). Arguments came up over all this petty stuff I don't understand and can't explain, but it was his very orientation that offended her lol. I tend to think he was the more innocent one and it's because I know that Te egos are straight-forward. They generally have weak hidden motives when they have them. They try to operate in good faith (unless of course they are not "good" people - but I don't truly believe in the good/bad dichotomy as it's too simple). Being LSE, he withdrew from the conflict rather than try to work it out, which probably made her even more upset. She also had her SEE partner she roped in and he reflected her POV. The end result was she moved far away, feeling an outcast in the family (E4 FTW!). They are both reasonable and kind people, but this conflict was due to personalities that couldn't fathom one another.
Anyway I also feel uncomfortable around him but in part it's because the social distance barrier bubble has never been burst between us. So I just try to get through the schedules basically and endure. There's a lot of EJ-ness in the family and I sort of try to get through it during get-togethers. It's also that I'm not prone to build relationships and prefer to be alone almost all the time so any social anything is something I have to get through. I feel bad about being so selfish, but it is the way it is. Also I always feel hyper rational people will judge me for not being able to do things. I don't know how to do things, I don't know how they do it, I don't understand how anyone has any self-discipline at all, so I try to hide that I don't have these things and I know the closer we get the more they'll see me as this lazy useless person. For Fi valuing people it will become a matter of character, and perhaps it is that my character is weak, perhaps it's that I have no willpower, I don't know what it is. But I know I can't meet the rational temperament. I can never be enough to please it. And for EJs I can never be as energetic as they are. I get worn down like my psyche is about to faint. Also I have really low conscientiousness but I experience it as no drive, no energy, no ability to act, always trapped in stagnation. First it was water, now it is tar. I kind of simultaneously can't stand myself for it but also understand it's a real problem that hurts. If it didn't hurt, then I could give in to the ideas that it's some unwillingness. But it hurts in the way of being trapped needing a constant escape velocity I can't produce.
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Hmm, imo you are doing much better in the thinking department than a lot of LIEs, at the very least you try to consider all points of view and think things through. I have rather high standards for myself and others (being melancholic), so consider this a compliment.
With LIEs my problem usually is that their arguments / projects seem like they haven't been properly thought through, as if they run on bad information or lack information and fail at being pragmatic / realistic about how things are & what is actually possible.. ie I find fault with their thinking / decision-making process. In comparison my only problem with an SLEs thinking process is that they seem rash / impulsive, but we are usually on the same page despite that & I can respect them. Not the case with LIE.. idk why. My default is to excessively think things through, I'm very careful & deliberate making sure I don't miss anything. Maybe its that and LIE's thinking seems sloppy and superficial by comparison.
Its weird tho. Every person I antagonize ends up being someone who types LIE lmao.
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i feel this post was stupid
Last edited by marooned; 08-10-2020 at 07:28 PM.
I imagine LIE may be some of the people most comfortable engaging in disagreement with you and continuing in it. That doesn't mean they are unusually antagonized by something you do or say.
Example:
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I agree lol. I do care about ppl tho, in my own way. I don't lack empathy, on the contrary.
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I don't recall saying you have Fi Polr. disagreeing with you or challenging you about utility and method and factualness and EQ isn't saying you are Fi polr
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Kind = / = telling people what they want to hear. ILI is called the critic, but I'm not that attached to the type, esp not considering I seem to disagree with LIEs most of the time.Offtopic, but I feel ILI/INTp is severely misunderstood here (with possibly many mistypes fromespecially, and some from Fi PoLRs), as it seems that ILIs hold no regard for Fi, while this is their HA. In Aushra original descriptions, you can read about Balzac: 'First and foremost, he is kind'. Despite his /usual/ problems with emotional atmospheres, engaging, conformation, expressions, all that stuff; they are mostly shying away from direct conflicts unless you really press them over the edge on their values, then they can go ballistic.
IF you ask anyone who knows me IRL, they say:
The following may evince some of issues you are experiencing presuming you're ILI.
"Ni as leading function in IEI (INFp; Esenin) and ILI (INTp; Balzac)
This person considers himself to be very ideological, consistent, principled, and is very conservative in this. Becomes irritated by those who criticize his ideas. He lives by the "wholeness" of the internal situation. Often able to see "through" things, to the inner essence of something or someone. Romantic and idealist. Lives by his internal harmony, tranquility, serenity, is able to draw inspiration within himself, and gets annoyed by those who try to disturb it. Generally does not like when people try to look inside of him, gets frustrated and angry when this happens. Strives to be inwardly calm in all situations and internally consistent. "Fluid like a river": involuntarily adjusts himself to the interlocutor in conversation by taking form of consciousness that is best fitted for the situation. By this he isn't playing a role, his consciousness is simply multifaceted and he is directed by his inner "wholeness". That is, he simply presents a version of himself. Communicating with you, he always feels your moods as if he is living through them together with you, adjusts himself to this. Loves to introspect and to meditate. In case of failure, can make a qualitative self-analysis. Being present in some place he as if tunes himself out, tries to become invisible like a chameleon, especially if he perceives it as a threat to his inner tranquility: for example, in the workplace so that no one bothers him. Can even hide it in some clever way: arrange a barricade of folders so that behind them he is not visible. Does not like restless, internally discordant individuals, as their state can get transmitted to him, will try to escape from their company at any price. This is especially funny in a situation where a male representative of this type flees from ladies, and they pursue him like prey, because they feel that he has something that they so desperately need: inner peace. But for him this inner "wholeness" is not the product but material for inner consumption, so he can only share this with a small number of people, but sometimes someone might snatch a piece - this makes him very angry. Often, especially in circle of family, he becomes a critic, since deviation in behavior away from his principles turns him aggressive. If in another situation he will somehow restrain himself, at home he may allow himself to explode with anger.
Ni as creative function of EIE (ENFj; Hamlet) and LIE (ENTj; Jack London)
These types like to find internally contradictory people, "dig" in them and create in them internal harmony and mood. They make for great artists, because they know how to and love to "become" one with an image of a man and play a role from his worldview. They are able to understand the essence of complex internal situations and make for potentially good analysts. Often it is difficult to find employment for them, as their "product" is the internal conflicts of man and essence, and to penetrate so far, into "the soul" of man, you just need to have permission. Often become unstable, vulnerable, fragile, just so that they can harmonize themselves, and sometimes can start to torment and tear into themselves and dig into their own issues. They have a difficulty finding adequate application to their creative function in the world, since it is not in high demand - not everyone wants someone else to dig into their internal states. Their product - bold ideas, principles, systems of belief and knowledge that they bring into the world and promote. But they do this beautifully, creatively, elegantly, not forcibly imposing them but promoting them in interesting ways. Search for internally contradictory situations, like to grasp their essence. Often realize themselves in art and writing, as this is also a good way to use the function. They are able to enter into various internal psychological states. A good speaker, as he is able to influence positively on the internal state of others. Their product is the "wholeness" of the internal state, and therefore they can find success in field of psychology, because it means that they are the healers of souls. In life they loved to dramatize everything. Everyone around becomes informed about the slightest change in their mood or internal state. Usually they are very fond of "making mountains out of molehills", for them this is a way to find work for their second function. The more they become exposed - the greater the realization of their personality in the world."-Augusta, Information Elements, Wikisocion
Other background on The usage in LIE and ILI that may be at work here:"Extroverted logic as base function is manifested as a need to accumulate factual information, also from external sources such as books, second-hand information, etc, on matters of personal interest or of professional activity. This also gives these types confidence on being well-informed on the same matters, which enables them to enter arguments related to them with confidence on their knowledge, which may come across as arrogance to others. Another manifestation is an evaluation of external reality - work activities, world events, finances, procedures, personal relationships, conversations - from the point of view of factual accuracy and "making sense" and efficiency. It leads to an inclination to be proactive in increasing the efficiency and reasonableness of the external world, as well as a sense of self-worth connected on being involved and productive in activities seen as useful, profitable, or that increase one's knowledge base. To give out information that the individual knows not to be factually accurate is disturbing and avoided as much as possible.
Symbol p.gif as a creative (2nd) function (ILI and SLI)
It is manifested as a preference for factual accuracy over ideological consistency, and for objective, "harsh" communication over careful words that avoid a negative atmosphere. A view of the external environment being efficient, reasonable, and making sense is essential to their well-being and sense of inner peace, but they do not feel a pressing need for being proactive or productive themselves in that area."
And "Such an individual perceives information from without as feelings about the future, past, and present. For example, a sense of hurriedness, calmness, or heatedness, a sense of timeliness or prematureness, a sense of proper or improper life rhythm, a sense of impending danger or safety, anticipation, fear of being late, a sense of seeing the future, anxiety about what lies ahead, and so forth. At any given moment of one's life one has such a sense of time. One cannot live outside of time or be indifferent toward it. Thus, a certain sense of time is an integral part of the individual's psychological state at any given moment. This perceptual element defines a person's ability or inability to forecast and plan for the future, evade all sorts of troubles, avoid taking wrong actions, and learn from past experience.
When this element is in the leading position, the individual possesses innate strategic abilities and is able to choose the most optimal moments for different activities: when to give battle, if necessary, and when to avoid battle, when that would be more appropriate. Interaction in time might be interpreted as the ability to avoid collisions with objects and hence avoid objects' reflection within oneself" and " Ni as a base (1st) function (IEI and ILI)
As a base function, Ni generally manifests itself through a lack of direct attention to the world around oneself, and a sense of detachment or freedom from worldly affairs. This can lead to a highly developed imagination and very unique mental world, but it can also result in a great deal of laziness and apparent inactivity. Because the individual gets his or her primary information about the world through imagination, a person with base Ni may be able to thrive in situations where data are scarce, or where he or she lacks the usual prerequisite experience. However, this may also become a disadvantage if the person ignores real data about the world too much. The ability to transcend the axis of time and understand the cause and effect relationships that occur is also a feature, sometimes resulting in the ability to accurately predict general future trends and outcomes of certain events.
Ni as a creative (2nd) function (EIE and LIE)
The individual likes to predict the further development of the situations and topics that he is interested in. The individual applies his highly developed sense of vision not as an end in itself, but as a way of promoting the development of his more central interests and activities"
Honestly, I often find you very easy to relate to and enjoy you being a part of the forum. I'm not saying it's a two-way experience.
And a lot of my closest friends have been LSI and SLE.
I mostly just fear lies and escape from them, not because they're "bad people" as a loot of people like to portrait them. I just don't have the courage and I'm a coward enough to run from affronting the te.. lol
Every sociotype brings a solution and a challenge for society and I really think thats amazing. I also think it's ridiculous how society portraits ambitious and people who seek a higher economical position as "demonic". You see the typical "evil business man" bullshit everywhere lol, and sadly thats the image a lot of people have for estjs and entjs.
My only advice for them would be to never doubt they're value as humans base on how much they work and how successful they are.
Hmm, I do have strong moral principles that I refuse to change tho. I just don't seem to value the same things as you do. I know sbbds noted Fi PolR because of this on my end, but really she is Fi PolR as well, but she holds similar values to you guys, values I don't hold, its obvious if I push her far enough.. so imo on my end its not an issue with weak Fi, its something else.
There is a well fleshed out PC-game character, my values, thought processes and so on are very similar to her's. Whoever wrote her understands how I see things very well:
Other ILIs in past posts seem to think in similar ways. This is from 2014, some other ILI:
Last edited by SGF; 08-07-2020 at 06:52 AM.
Oh dear I've been accused of lacking empathy too in work settings. Be like us or die is the motto from my frame of reference. I've massacred myself just not to die. You need to be the most placid non-critical person ever or else. Be docile IOW.
Work places are my pain realm. The death of self-expression, the demand for drones all based on the comfort levels of so-called leaders. The hyper-sensitive are not leaders in my book.
@ shotgunfingers
The ILI program is more about shaking the masses out of mental autopilot (or more cynically, subverting worldviews and filling the vaccuum with their own agenda). See any of END's posts.
You mostly complain about emotional atmosphere, etiquette of discourse, and social projection impacting what it is possible for you to say and your potential to be taken seriously in discussion (something usually only women, male feelers, ILE, or incel-LSI-about-to-go-postal comment on). IMO you seem alpha irrational, "complex of tied mouth."
Its not like I'm autistic and fail to read people, its more like I'd rather be in a gunfight, survive alone in the wilderness than try to navigate social mores. Even as a kid my mother used to constantly correct my behavior and I'd get pissed @ why I wasn't allowed to just do and say certain things.. later I kinda figured out why e_e social backlash to a bumbling fool can suck dick and be traumatizing if you are a 9 year old alone for 2 weeks with ppl who barely know you and your antics.
Idk, would that be within SEI range of issues and I conflict with LIE because I'm SEI?
I doubt ILE, because of me being a 6 in the enneagram and melancholic in nature. In 9 years of working at the same job (ofc I got promoted every year+raise) I have been late ONCE. I'm extremely careful, deliberate and think things through thoroughly *shrug*.. ILEs are more type 7 oddball irresponsible ppl. Meanwhile I'll go to work on the weekend to correct the mistake of my boss & help the company even if it wasn't asked of me & I think low of the boss / consider him an idiot. (conscientious af)
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One of my ILI buds got low conscientiousness on big 5 test, but I doubt that...I'd trust that ILI with someone's life, etc...but ...I'm not sure they're as conscientious as you're describing
Its not like I'm autistic and fail to read people, its more like I'd rather be in a gunfight, survive alone in the wilderness than try to navigate social mores. Even as a kid my mother used to constantly correct my behavior and I'd get pissed @ why I wasn't allowed to just do and say certain things.. later I kinda figured out why e_e social backlash to a bumbling fool can suck dick and be traumatizing if you are a 9 year old alone for 2 weeks with ppl who barely know you and your antics.
Idk, would that be within SEI range of issues and I conflict with LIE because I'm SEI?
I doubt ILE, because of me being a 6 in the enneagram and melancholic in nature. In 9 years of working at the same job (ofc I got promoted every year+raise) I have been late ONCE. I'm extremely careful, deliberate and think things through thoroughly *shrug*.. ILEs are more type 7 oddball irresponsible ppl. Meanwhile I'll go to work on the weekend to correct the mistake of my boss & help the company even if it wasn't asked of me & I think low of the boss / consider him an idiot. (conscientious af)
I would consider those ILE issues.
If you tend to see Fi doms as aliens beyond your grasp, and Te doms as misguided peers (and you can see through and handle their bullshit as they switch between objective improvement Te, Tunnel vision Te, and cherry-picking data/organizing to further their agenda Te), then you are probably ILE
If you tend to see Te doms as aliens beyond your grasp, and Fi doms as misguided peers (and you can see through and handle their bullshit as they switch between authenticity/respecting interpersonal distance Fi, manipulative guilt tripping Fi, and conditioning you to their values Fi), then you are probably SEI
@inaLim, aside from these descriptions being pretty accurate, they're really funny.
You should do an analysis of every type. That would be great.
Fi : an analytical state of mind, analysis of personal feeling and stances, harmony or disharmony of personal values and sentiments, endearment, closeness, moral satisfaction, emotional sensitivity, deep personal conviction that may produce moral firmness and resolve
Fi doesn't bother me tbh as I also have very firm moral values I refuse to compromise. My values are the foundation on which I build logic. Generally I tend to enjoy the moral firmness of the few ppl I have met who identify as ESI. Imo a lot of ppl these days are too frivolous and play lose with morals for sure. The ppl in Jersey Shore for example are disgusting imo. Considering I'm melancholic in temperament, this shouldn't really be a surprise. I'm always fully aware how I relate to everyone and everything around me.
Te doms don't seem like aliens to me, but I do seem to strongly disagree with LIEs and view them as incompetent, misguided, esp when it comes to their Fi. To me it always seems naive and borrowed, as if its not theirs, as if they just adopt morality from an external source. Its kinda pathetic & clueless imo.
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that isn't how I experience my Fi, but ILI do see LIE's challenges with Fi, as do LIEs see ILIs challenges with Se....
You are talking about principles I think. Principles are not values, they are not subjective relational fields between the self and objects.
A principle tells me nothing about how I relate to you or what Adam said in "y" post.
Hmm, knew a LII once. He was religious (protestant) and based his faith on Kantian deontology. While I enjoyed discussing Ti with him, it always bothered me that he'd rely on an abstract system like that. To me it seemed like even if it was elegant, it had little utility IRL.. as ppl could just disregard it without the necessary violence to enforce such a morality. Its also kinda how I see rights. Without the will to defend rights and violence to back up that will, we have no rights, its just make-believe. If there is nobody there to enforce the law, the law doesn't matter lol unless you chose to follow it regardless.. e_e meh I never cared much about religion tho. It made sense that one would have the free will to chose to be moral or not and that the choice was important.
I don't think I dislike you guys as ppl, I just fundamentally disagree with a lot of how you think & see the world. If I'd hate/disliked you we wouldn't be talking. I don't even go see, let alone talk with my grandmother for example, I hate her to that extent for what she has done to my parents and for the kind of person she was and continues to be.
Yeah, I haven't forgotten, it was this: https://cognitivetype.com/fi-behaviorism-mythology/ I can't relate to it.Back: I also would like to remind you that maybe a month ago you were reading about Fi (and how they see Fi) on one of socionics derivatives and you were yourself going with 'wtf I don't relate to it all, I do see a lot of Ti in me tho'. You saw Fi as very alien. Then you seem to have forgotten about that.
:> you and sbbds seem to be of the opinion that I'm alpha quadra ILE.. but there are some serious problems with such a typing as ILEs are goofy extroverts interested in novelty, exploring ideas and prototyping - inventing.
.. I'm more of a melancholic-choleric emotionally reactive introvert, who's main interest seems to be a sociocultural paradigm shift away from the current trajectory of a meaningless & empty life chasing GDP as wage slave
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Ti is not an effin value. It is like structure. A square is a square, a circle is a circle and how it plays together. That is Ti.
Because society there is a structure this is where Ti meets Fe.
Then there is greedy business and frienship games what we call Te-Fi.
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naw....Te is structure that is checked in reality for now. Fi is a good reining in for all that organizing. Fi isn't friendship games. Honestly I respect and enjoy and see the good of Fe and Be and Si and Ti, but anyone can experience Fe as friendship games instead of the positive side of Fe or Ti as ignorantly and greedily constructed. But those are incomplete assessments
Fi is the relationship function. It can be about base where it won't nudge easily or PoLR in which case people do not really have friends. (I once had but I realized it was due to social expectations so I could relax and take my time into my own control )
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I have had very close ILE friends. People thought we were in love, shared a bed platonicallly and were each other's wingwoman/man, etc close.
Fi is one way to build relationships. it's not the only. and Fi isn't comprised solely of games.
you thrive with heavy Si. I don't.
I thrive with heavy Fi. You don't.
simple.
You are not serious about this? ILEs can value friendship very highly. But they seem to intellectualize their values.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Well, Gulenko has revised LII and dumped angsty rebels into beta NF stall.
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Beta NF have strong Fi even if it isn't valued. I agree with @shotgunfingers, the types most likely naively absorbing morality from others (probably their Fi dom duals) are the Te leads.
Your strong unconscious functions are used to support your valued ones. The weak valued functions are too weak to produce anything useful on their own.
I kind of get offended when people Fi around me. It is bit oxymoron because it goes against their modus operandi that is supposed to prevent it.
Pretense of treasuring relationship which means catering to their feels so you can suck they in the future which makes me see it as even highly unethical behavior. There are people who really like some good moist kiss on their butt cheeks.
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