The second function/letter in PY is meant to support others, the 1st and 3rd are attacking functions iirc.
You did post it in a certain light though, and freaked out when she responded. An eye for an eye, as the saying goes.
Moving away so I don't double post. Are people really surprised that she doesn't like Beta or EIE? She has always been vocal about not liking either, why is now any different now that people are being typed Beta? Socionics is about ITR, the positive and the negative. I don't expect to bring anyone together but you guys, EIE and SEE are essentially "programmed" or "cognitively hardwired" to hate each other, and so are Beta and Gamma. Are you guys really going to get mad at her for talking about her theories, which is how this all started? I am not looking to unify people here, there is a reason why ITR exists in Socionics and it is not always fluffy unfortunately, but please take her posts for what they are which are theories and her takes on socionics, and don't twist past posts to frame her as someone that she isnt. Unfair and rude.
I do wish people would stop insulting each other and dragging each other. This place really does become a beta echo chamber. That's all I'll say despite my own views.
Socionics is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have, but I have it.
i seem to remember that 2L and 2E troll from many descriptions. she is trolling, just not in any light-hearted sort of way. there really doesn't seem to be a lot of L.
it was a move to discredit. i didn't start this mess by going after everyone for their self-typings or for not being typed by gulenko. it seems that perhaps both of you can't let people be. gulenko is cool. we don't all need to get typed by him if we don't want to, and yes, people are allowed to self-type and some of them will even be "correct" in their self-typings (as much as one can be in socionics). to paint it as though she was being perfectly reasonable all along, is simply untrue, and looks like an attempt to save face since the two of you used to tag team on the insistence the forum adhere to gulenko.You did post it in a certain light though, and freaked out when she responded. An eye for an eye, as the saying goes.
have you not been here? every other post is harassing people over their self-typings. it doesn't matter if it's surprising that she is full of hate, what matters is that she has been unleashing that hate on the forum for a while, and you can't expect people to not eventually respond to it as the bile it is. eventually when you find your lake has turned into an acid bath you address the one pouring the acid in.Are people really surprised that she doesn't like Beta or EIE? She has always been vocal about not liking either, why is now any different now that people are being typed Beta? Socionics is about ITR, the positive and the negative. I don't expect to bring anyone together but you guys, EIE and SEE are essentially "programmed" or "cognitively hardwired" to hate each other, and so are Beta and Gamma. Are you guys really going to get mad at her for talking about her theories, which is how this all started? I am not looking to unify people here, there is a reason why ITR exists in Socionics and it is not always fluffy unfortunately, but please take her posts for what they are which are theories and her takes on socionics, and don't twist past posts to frame her as someone that she isnt. Unfair and rude.
I must assume that it's my mere presence on the forum that "won't let people be", because IDK what to tell you since I don't aim to do anything in the latter of what you say. I've repeatedly said I don't care if people get typed by Gulenko or not, or what people self type as. I'm of course going to stick up for my friend. I did not even say my post was aimed to unify, but to explain the dissonance that came from her theories. Gamma and Beta hate each other, and EIE and SEE hate each other. I agree people are allowed to self type, and that people don't have to be typed.
Socionics is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have, but I have it.
I have no idea what's going on here... but I just want to point out that yes, betas absolutely do this. Its all about giving away responsibility in order to save position. If you are "them", or have become "them", then they will ruin you, or at least try, lol. Some sociotypes are above beta, so its not an issue.
The problem is Betas can dish it but can’t take it. Betas are literally a bunch of defective memes screaming at anyone who don’t follow their orders. That shit works with each other but not with Gammas.
You’re such a lil coward and feel threatened over nothing. No wonder you’re duals with bitchass LSI who tries to be the punisher corrections officer with the little data that fits in their tiny instantaneous perception until they're told to FUCK OFF. An ILI would never be stupid enough to tell you that you're being reported. They don’t even care about that shit. LSIs are little bitches pissing themselves constantly feeling threatened by shit that aren’t even remotely serious affronts/damage, just like delusional EIE.
You're freaking out trying to figure out my psychosophy L and still fucking up royally. I even showed my results and it said I’m 2L-3 and you’re that retarded you can’t even look that shit up. Perfect dumbass dual EIE-LSI stuck in their retard Fe echo chamber freaking out that the world don’t conform to your fantasy hierarchies. Your existence is what you can’t escape and that’s already punishment enough but icing on the cake is you’re stupid enough to be desperate for more beatings from your dual master. Beta sadomasochism at its finest.
You need to calm down. You are projecting something onto what is going on here way to much. Your socionic opinions might be correct, but your application of them is poor right now.
Calling people retarded? That makes you look like the retard. You got to get yourself out of this whirlpool.
The issue is that Betas do start wars and then roll over when they can’t handle the other side striking back. This is literally an eye for an eye where a bunch of Beta memes overreacted to what I say and try to get me “banned” because I’m friends with Sayonara. No one tells them they’re being retarded lil bitches.
The "war" was pretty fun, but it shouldn't last too long. I want something new...
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Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Yes, you have tried to help me with my type, and yes, we have been on good terms. I just find your behavior lately to be atrocious and I've called you out on that. Perhaps I could've done so in a different fashion, since we were on good terms, but also being on good terms doesn't mean you tolerate everything someone does and never call them out.
What would it mean for me to "support G" anyways? I'm not ashamed of his typing of me. Why would I be?I find it funny that you don’t support G but want to go tattletale to him as if you had some authority to persuade his decision. You only paid for a typing which you’re even ashamed of admitting what you’re typed as. I’ve paid for a typing, classes, and I’ve sent people to him to get typed. I actually find value in his work and don’t mind sharing some of the things I’ve learned.
Also I didn't say I would tattetale to him. I just said I hoped if he found out about your behavior (presumably from people who are regularly in touch with him, such as @Alive, who said just before that he would contact G) he would ban you from his classes. A strong reaction on my part perhaps, I do feel that G deserves to know what's going on, so he can take an informed decision about who he wants in his classes or no.
Also I don't want you banned per se...I want you to behave like an adult. Ideally, at least. Instead you've been behaving like sbbds's little sister going into tantrums and nothing more. I've seen you capable of better than that, so I have to wonder.
EDIT: All of this to say that just because you are/were on good terms with someone doesn't mean you can't call them out when you feel they are doing something that is really wrong. I don't have to "take your side" here. I have told what I feel about your behavior as of late, I guess I owe you that much since honestly is a priority to me. I also wish you would realize that actions have consequences. Just how long you can try and maintain a facade of anonymity behind the internet while engaging in dubious behavior is anyone's guess, but it can't go on forever. But that isn't for you to learn at my expense. Cheers.
Last edited by Ave; 03-27-2021 at 08:35 AM.
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that seems pretty extreme for a forum conflict, i mean that is more like actual doxxing... it's not a good forum precedent...
(i just have to stand up for my abuser! it's the principle of the matter!)
ETA: to elaborate, the forum is safe right now in that people can get out their angst privately, but if any kind of doxxing goes on, the forum will no longer be safe... it's not a usual forum in a lot of ways in that it has light moderation (which i like) and doesn't have a ton of restrictions on self-expression (which i also like)... but it means that conflicts can get more intense on the forum (the trade off, which i find more than acceptable). i wouldn't want it to become a place where people go after each other irl, that would ruin everything. and really it's just an awful thing to do, especially over this...
honestly this whole conflict has gone way too far already...
Last edited by marooned; 03-27-2021 at 09:39 AM.
I agree that canceling is unnecessary despite the forum histrionics. Taking it to real life canceling is worse than behaving like a deranged cunt on an obscure underwater basket-weaving pseudoscience forum. It’s an asylum for taking out your mental issues after all.
“Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”
You people would do well to swear fealty to Gulenko and not critique his vision.
Last edited by Socionics Is Not A Cult; 03-27-2021 at 01:54 PM.
Nvm, this got old and boring fast.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
You clout chase G and somehow believe that gives you social cred larping LII on this forum of bottom feeder hobbyists. Then you act like you’ve got some mysterious influence over him when you wouldn’t even get typed by him.
Why don’t you pay money to take the next class with me and then you can show off how much influence you have over G by telling him to distance himself from me? We can even have a debate in class and G will be all over that. Put money where your mouth is. Zugzwang.
As effed up as it is (you know the parts), it's quite literally one of the best and most impactful movies I've seen.. I don't think I've ever felt such a strong and complex array of emotions from anything else, esp as some of the themes are directly relevant to my life. But yeah, both the movie and show are absolute masterpieces :)
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits