Your model is wrong. @thegreenfaerie, @Aaron Something and I are identicals (I relate to their flow of thought too and we speak the same language). It could be something else but we have this *click* in common
Your model is wrong. @thegreenfaerie, @Aaron Something and I are identicals (I relate to their flow of thought too and we speak the same language). It could be something else but we have this *click* in common
The main typing problem is how the same theory is used - there are many ways for this, much of speculativity of behavior's interpretations. The lesser - baseless theories alike Reinin's traits.
You differ much in talking and argumentation/thinking styles from thegreenfaerie, for example. You are much lesser emotional in talking. Very predisposed to do strict and baseless Ti related assertions, unlike her.
You remind T-I types, more LSI. She some F, more for SEI.
Among reasons for your sympathy to her mb IR, for example as suborderie.
Anyway, to suppose types of people which are not IRL near to you and good known needs significantly better typing skills than forum's noobs generally have.
Base Fi value comfortable emotions, while you aggressively press people without good reasons. Idealize your Ti speculations and playing by baseless theories. You are much assured in your Ti conclusions and unreasonably fail in Fi. Models - Ti, how to use them - Te. Your grammar nitpicking before - Ti too. You care about Ti as it should be your valued. Having this you suppose as your type having leading Fi, while Ti as not valued and weak (and hence where you have doubts to be mostly restrained).
In assigning to yourself INFJ, you miss these contradictions and the problem is not in your model - you more ignore the basics of the model and unable to use it appropriately, to assign correctly weights on the known facts. The similar main problem is with other cases when mistake in types.
Sol, you're English sucks ass. Period.
I doubt it. If I lose my patience with IEIs I usually burn bridges so hard that I become public enemy #1, which I don't really mind. IEIs are snowflakes. If we cross paths and they won't stop bringing my name then I will make sure that they and their friends don't enjoy staying in my presence, and I will invade their space. Also, my hatred for feelers in general is stronger. I can't stand people who are supposed to be good with feelings but constantly put me in bad mood. If I really lose my head I become the thing I hate. Vindictive and impulsive. But I can't even step outside of it. It remains like a constant feeling of anger and hatred towards the offender. I will never forgive them.
I don't know if I grew out of it, but it has been years since I have treated someone like that. I don't feel that way towards sbbds either.
Models like socionics are not necessarily 100% based on fact. Most of the arguments u make with socionics are based on socionics theory alone. Such as "this guy was monotone, therefore Fe polr". Its the perfect example of a Ti theory. Ti is always a little removed from reality, as is with all introverted functions, its more abstract and more loosely related to reality than the more grounded extraverted functions. The point im trying to make is that Sol who thinks his arguments are Te, are not based on fact but on stuff he argued out in his own head, such as "nitpicking is Ti". There is no source for that. He just made it up in his own mind based on whatever it is. It may only be loosely correlated to socionics theory, it isnt directly quotable, nor has there been research on that, which is what Te so heavily relies on: facts.
I think "putting a model in practice" is very different than "fighting uncompromisingly to the point of impertinence for the implementation of a system or a dogma".
Anyway, I think LSEs are more about disliking those who don't follow rules and trying to make ppl playing fair, while LSI is more just fighting for the implementation of a system to try to reach the power positions. Other author (dont remember exactly who now, mb it was Strat, not sure now), says LSI understands human systems to insert him/herself in there (Se). That's very different from using or understanding theoretical models such as socionics. Its more like looking at social structures and being able to get themselves in there to achieve wealth or power (Se). I mean, that's what socionics refers to.
Anyway, not very interested in discussing sol's type, just wanting to point at thisLSI
1. A consistent adept. He is able to rationally and adequately choose the best of the available systems or dogmas and to fight for its implementation uncompromisingly up to the point of impertinence. He categorically rejects everything that cannot fit into this system, and perfects it to its ideal state. He is very consistent in the realization of his system, even when it comprises inconstancy. In this way Talleyrand succeeded in occupying the highest positions under Bourbons, the Convent, the Directory, Napoleon, and once again under Bourbons, and finally died prosperous and rich, which he has always strived for.
LSE
3. "Rage is a mighty god of the strong". He tends to take other people out of the condition of complacency. He does not speak much about what is good, considers it self-evident. With his grumbling emotions he strives to extinguish emotions of others. He believes that redundant emotions tire people, and this is absolutely true if applied to his dual (The Humanist). During a conversation he pressures his interlocutor, even tries to intimidate him, but if people do not fear him, he becomes courteous and polite. Fury is his line of defense in a situation of emergency in which he feels otherwise helpless. The aim of his fury is to mobilize his partner, and when this is achieved, he calms down.
4. Belief in playing fair. He considers obedience to rules to be a strength trait. He does not tolerate slyness and deviousness, hates cheaters and dodgy folks. "Political maneuvers may produce a quick effect, but a truly lasting and tangible results can be reached only through hard work" (Kim Philby). He likes order.
@Taffy
seems as an example of Fe. Fe valued assured. more for beta with all that rude pathos
A fine EIE specimen indeed.
Some Ti since I'm a Ti base:
when you seem to like obscurity and are aggressive you are Beta
when you are pushy you are Se valuer
when you are rude you are not Fi-valuing
when you disagree with everyone you're Ne PoLR
when you use concrete language you're sensor
when you use the word "night" and "dark" a lot in your language you're Ni base, especially if you are depressed
when you mix unrelated words and make compounds you're Ne valuing
when you correct someone's grammar or do some nitpicking you're Ti valuing
Now you can be any type, just be aware and follow the above guidelines.
Last edited by BrainlessSquid; 05-13-2020 at 02:30 PM.
Adding onto Sol being an LSI - There seems to be zero evidence that could suggest the possibility of him being an Ne valuing type.
If anybody has evidence contrary to this, please come forward now.
this sounds a lot like @Reyne
tho I'm not sure about the typing for Reyne atm
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Te is not about facts as in raw facts but of the observation of what things are going on in a room or area then judging it according to the person’s ethics or thinking @Duschia and @Sol are both LSE
Sol judges on behavior more a little more
Also keep in mind that Sol likes and enjoys stirring the pot and getting people upset
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 05-14-2020 at 10:19 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Some people don't like to be typed. Every time I share my views with them they would find something contradicting. I'm not big on typing forum members in general. It is a waste of time. It's like showing someone the road to enlightenment. What is the point if they get off the road halfway through? Most people here want help in specific areas in life. They are not looking for fulfilment, or if they were, they are not actually ready to seek it. They would do better to focus on their unique struggles than attempt to address a multitude of issues associated with a certain type.
*this person freely voices their opinions even if it might cause controversy or offense, though delivers it in a comedic and/or gentle way*
Maritsa: LSE FINAL
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
thats hella cute
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@FreelancePoliceman
Easy usage of emotional selfmarks rises the chance of F type as this region mb among assured.
Base T types have _weak_ F and are least emotional. It's not comfortable for them to make emotional self-criticism among not close people. As those may use it to harm them there.
Base T type just would say about a mistake without so much drama.
I find it interesting that FreelancePoliceman criticized you on your typing of a woman on the beautiful women thread just yesterday and now you are here criticizing his typing. It seems you take your typings of others to a personal level.
@FlutteringShyxx
"Some Sort of Ip Fe"
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I*FP
my opinion seems was ISFP / SEI
@thegreenfaerie
"TIM 4 Delta NF"
was recently IEE, a little more recently other
J types do not jump easily between opinions about own type which they say publicly. As J types are rational - they prefer to say such opinions only when are assured, so they gather the data until they may decide with the assurance. As the data and thinking algorithms for assured opinion do not change fastly - they do not change the opinions so fast too. While you've changed it 2 times seems during ~1 month or mb 2 monthes.
Besides this, also as I said before - base Fi is not your type! You are too rude in emotional expressing - it's about your common style, not when 1 time per a year you'd become too angry.
and "Fi Fi Fi Fi Fi Fi Fi Fi Fi Fi".. despite how many times you say this - does not make you closer to Fi type at all
J-I types are calm people, in general, to make so bedlam in profiles. It's against any base Fi too
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I’m not sure why you’re so upset by my TIM. Base Si fits even less Sol. Tell all the people I talk to on much deeper level than any conversation I’ve ever had than with you that I am not an Fi valuer. I don’t value Fe. Though I will agree that I’m likely more irrational, but this isn’t black and white and it’s not always a perfect match. Many factors can make someone appear different, including mental health and life transitions, though I know the core type is unyielding. I’ve asked you to stop addressing me and I’m not sure why this is such an obsessive quest for you. You are cherry picking all the posts that in your eyes prove your point and neglecting a multitude more that would suggest otherwise. You are narrow-minded and I’m sorry but you suck at this.
@Northstar
hysterics on a disagreement about own type is the behavior rather more common F types
His sight is not cold and hard enough in my perception for Ti types. While the behavior is not reasonable enough for Te type.
After his 1st video I've got significant doubts in T. And after next videos the doubts in T type became more.
Then strange hysterics.
Some chance it's introvertion supresses the sight to softer side. Mb other factors which make his sight to look softer and to behave so emotionally and touchy.
The dude got not high, but border result between T/F in EQ test.
I strongly doubt in his T type. while SLE is just lol for him
upd:
If to take into account that he made only short videos, despite the recommended was 10 min, at least, then there is a possibility that his higher shyness and stressful life situation made his sight more emotional and such lesser cold. Also, in case of base T type (LSI possibility) - role function in public situations with lesser self-assurance makes them to look more emotional. He had lesser time to adopt to the process of making the video and hence to behave more naturally in nonverbal. Despite possible factor of life troubles which may make more emotional and having higher anxiety to activate more the role function.
The level of distortions is lower if to follow the recommedations for video interviews.
This factor leaves more chances for T type, having his warmer sight in those clips and hysterical reaction on a disagreement about his type.
Last edited by Sol; 06-09-2020 at 10:41 AM.
As for JustWandering's typing - I'm seriously considering LIE for you over EIE. You're really likeable with how you make a lot of rational sense like LIEs often do to me when it comes to certain more abstract topics or topics about relationships and people. EIEs are not really all that rational lol @JustWandering
For sbbds and Viktor I'm considering SLI but they could be SLE for all I know really - they both have the same trolly Ti demoish thingy and again I get it @Viktor that you don't really mean harm by it, and I got no problem with you, but it's still something that completely makes me lose interest where I no longer see any point anymore in continuing the "discussion" or the "argument".
edit: I do recall having issues with one trolly-ish SLE-Se guy too, but it was a bit different lol. Like, they just had very twisty logic to their arguments, but they didn't start just parroting me or changing my words to mock what I'm saying. They still engaged with the argument itself, even if with very twisty logic
It makes sense that people who have an emotional attitude to some type and arguments dont work for them probably this is a manifestation of Fe. Typical Te will consider it more important to receive actual than ideological consistency. If it were a substantive conversation on arguments then i understand. But the usual quarrels and insults actually look more like F.'s typical behavior instead of substantive discussion. But that doesn't mean the T type can't do that.I get the impression that In particular, Ti (creative) with Fe valued. It is possible.
@Beautiful sky
truth about your EIE type annoys you
objective logical reality (Te)
your unreasonable and amoral activity annoyes LSEs
a significant factor of what is your bad superego IR
Your tryes to hide from the reality in dreams are hopeless. Illusions don't remove problems, you only perceive and explain them from other and wrong ways - by other illusions.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html