“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Let's mediate the thread and keep the peace please
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I didn't know how to upload the GIF
Indeed.
lol Pretty much.
An 8's vengeance is usually more than just a base level draw towards “eye for an eye” type pettiness (though it certainly can be). It’s more about corrective justice, “righting wrongs” and equalizing a situation through various manifestations of anger, intimidation, manipulation of power dynamics, stuff like that. At our most petty, we simply don’t like to have our authority “illegitimately” challenged or to be/feel unfairly blamed for what some may perceive (rightly or wrongly) as our bad behavior. Lol But at best, vengeance manifests in wanting to stand up for the weak/innocent/unfairly maligned.
3s are more inclined towards vengeance if, for example, you make them look bad/do something to fuck up their image or try to thwart their success somehow (i.e., taking credit for things they’ve done, blaming them when initiatives don’t work out, etc...). But a 3 will tend to write you off as some “loser ass bitch” or something along the lines and cut ties. On the other hand, 8s will likely try to reassert their authority through some form of (overt or covert) power grab. But like you said, when you got 8 and 3 on top of each other, the underlying motivations become blurry and that vengeful feeling intensifies and escalates.
But, in order to avoid doing things that may come back to haunt you, I'd advise trying to self reflect as much as possible on the underlying assumptions that fuel the desire for vengeance. For 8s, the truth is most often rooted in pushing back against not wanting to be weak or vulnerable (read: disempowered) but you have to honestly assess if that's what someone/the circumstance is actually try to do to you. When/if you see that it's probably not that deep, it's easier to let up and not be so vengeful. But, as you can see, that's easier said than done.
A link to a true EIE.
You can see how kind and helpful he is in the actions with his friends and with his communication with me
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...Video-included
I’m adding you to my list as ESE
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It's interesting and it makes so much sense. Like when I'm unhealthy, if I see someone with potential I attempt to put that person in a position where they don't even want to try. I've found if someone is just starting to get the hang of something it is much easier to make them lose interest and shit rather than if they've been into that thing for longer.
ESE are emotionally sensitive, a bit naive and withdraw when truly upset. They are not thick skinned people. :/
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Lol I don't consent to being on your list. This shit is funny to me haha, you're good entertainment.
I think you misunderstand EIEs to be honest.
The emotions given off by an EIE may be pleasant and soothing if deemed appropriate, but more often, there is a harsher edge that seeks to inspire more intense emotions in other individuals. EIEs are willing to give out messages that may shock or anger people if that is the mood they feel will lead to greater passion in others. This can manifest in the belief that positive change is best brought out through rebellion or revolution. As such, EIEs are usually able to defend themselves and their allies with confidence.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The two ESE I know well are not. My sister gets her feelings hurt easily. SEE (except Trump and that youtube whiny woman) are thicker skinned than ESE and EIE probably are too. I am curious though if you are using Filatova for that? Sol says my sister is maybe SEI but Ashton typed her ESE. She is not introverted so it has to be ESE. She needs a lot of human contact.
Last edited by Aylen; 05-09-2019 at 07:08 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
"Now sometimes I be gettin' higher than a bitch
Smoking all my lows, put the fire to the spliff
What up, now what up
Now I've been getting higher, and higher
And higher, and higher
Now what up, now what up, now what up, what up"
There is a difference between conflict and hatred, let's put the guard down and keep up the peace. Conflict happens I guess but come on we need more Quaid E Azam's and less Suge Knight's. Not a diss because I appreciate Suge's enterprising and business skill, it's just my personal perspective on it.
No need to feud with anyone and let's just focus on productivity, as users have emphasised on here focus on making your money and bettering yourself.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It's actually really difficult to stop the conflict :/
Why bother, LLC?
This is like a therapy session. A messed up therapy session, yes, but it IS needed.
What good is it to just swallow everything and move on if it's all eventually going to burst like raging torrents out of an overflowing dam, anyway? Let human nature follow its course and enjoy the show while you still can
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
I was just thinking, maybe the term thin/thick skin was the wrong term to use. My sister is very sensitive to emotional displays. She cries easily at movies or if someone else is crying. I have hurt her feelings by telling her she was not doing something right. She pouts a bit if we tease her so she can certainly take jokes since she was raised in my family and got teased a lot. She is one of the best people I have ever known. She doesn't just talk the talk. She gets out there and helps people. She donates her time and money to causes that save animals among other things. She volunteers to help people in need. Everyone loves her and no one has a bad word to say about her. Only on forums would she get hate like you see ESE get hate on this one.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
dw, It's mainly the @Beautiful sky @queentiger conflict , discussing concepts is required and essential to keep the peace
I never said convince me or anyone. In fact all I said was he should explain why he thinks he is an SLE and the outcome of that could be convincing people including myself.
Read: "If he wants to explain why he thinks he is one and convince us, now is a good time."
It is not unreasonable to ask someone to explain why they think they are a certain type, when multiple people think they are not. It could change somebodies opinion to a more correct conclusion, and also teach something new to whichever party in the process.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
lol A wonderful example of diabolical Fe usage. It's good that you are so self aware, especially at such a young age, because that gives you a better chance at thwarting those types of impulses and behaviors--which, purely from a practical point of view, I think is the best thing to do because I've often found that one of the best (least messy, perilous, backfiring, soul destroying) ways to reap all kinds of reward/success/influence/power/love/validation is through magnanimity, using one's "power," whatever that may be and however that may manifest, to uplift/encourage/inspire/aid others even when it seems that it's at the expense of self (because with the right ones, especially, this engenders loyalty and devotion, which are a form of capital in their own right).
I also have 3 in my tritype and along with 8, there can be this crabs in a barrel, acting from a place of "scarcity" mindset that believes that power/influence/validation are all limited resources, and the (best, most delicious) lion shares are only achieved through cold, underhanded, destructive, duplicitous, nefarious, "dog eat dog" means. Look, I won't lie and act as if the "bad guys" don't frequently win and have fun doing it, but guess what? They'll live a life (if clever and self aware enough) of constantly looking over their shoulders, ever in anticipation of their comeuppance + being found out + having their image destroyed and potentially losing it all. You're either gonna pay on the front end or the back end. But those that generally act in good faith with an eye towards magnanimity will more often go to sleep "worry free" while still rolling deep in [fortified/secure/unshakable/enduring] power, success, love, whatever. Cutthroat power moves can be fun, especially in the fictionalized abstract, but the domino effects of actually living that type of existence should be a disquieting prospect, especially for strong Ni users. As a vulgar pop culture example, compare Oprah (creative Ni) to Trump (suggestive Ni). Who do you think sleeps better at night? lol
OK, ILI's... They may really enjoy trampling over something. Like I said it is not very artistic. Lots of sarcastic remarks and they really push the limits. Not all of them are like that, though. One LII got mad about it (as mad as they can get).
https://i.imgur.com/0Kl2sMy.jpg they are the ones who say shit and get shit and then cry when dog dies in a movie.
[I'm not that brittle inside even tough I may respect that in others. This is something what my conflictor tends to note quite quickly and I note that their intuition is just looking for "bogeyman".]
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Did everyone forget a little fact that ESE step into to defend people?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This thread is getting a bit out of hand so I would like to bring it back to what is most important: me. What is my type?
EIE of course
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1303299
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Indeed, I think a lot of others my age especially aren't self aware of their behaviours. To the point where they adamantly swear they don't exhibit them if called out. But I don't think they realise, it takes a truly strong person to really look and say "This behaviour of mine is an issue, I need to sort that" and it's actually quite weak to just constantly not acknowledge negative traits one may have.
What I would say though, is I don't regret anything I've done because if I didn't make mistakes previously I'd be making them now - and I think this is also something a lot of people are unaware of ahha. I think it's definitely important to know when to be cutthroat and when to be magnanimous.
lol at someone being victim... dude has good metaphorical balls at least.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
“I think is the best thing to do...”
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org