When she posted about her essay, I had a similar impression. Definitely, I mean, OliSunVia just uploaded a video about the topic too, she's an obvious IEI youtuber, along with Alice Cappele.
When she posted about her essay, I had a similar impression. Definitely, I mean, OliSunVia just uploaded a video about the topic too, she's an obvious IEI youtuber, along with Alice Cappele.
The essay was a simplification and inspiration of her video, it is incomplete and I was going to finish it and extend further on how this connects to the "dumbification" of Americans, and add a spin off on how the US is likely going to collapse like the roman empire. Just its fun to link things together and predict the future in a way that makes sense.
Library because this site has become sort of an idiocracy
One person thinks I am IEI, another thinks I am LSE/SLE??? Sorry, this is too funny.
Library because this site has become sort of an idiocracy
Since you had the unmitigated gall to assign a (false) type to me, let me be a better person and actually provide your correct one: SEI-N E9w1 SP/SO. You're welcome! But I just want to briefly take a trip down memory lane when you first made a "type me" thread full of ignorance, foolery, fuckery, blatant contradictions, and not knowing what the hell you were talking about while still having so many opinions:
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...81#post1327181
Right, because you are. This is you, right?
On what planet is this person an extrovert? lol All of your non-verbal communication signal a painfully withdrawn, inward-reflecting person; there's no EXXP energetic or behavioral cues, whatsoever.
lmao I cite this to illustrate the degree to which you pussy-popped and back pedaled all over your typing thread once you found types that you wanted to be, rather than what you had initially claimed to be.
lol Somehow you acknowledge that you love comfort (Si) and stable relations (Fi), but then somehow still manages to "relate" more to IEI. Sure, Jan.
DING, DING, DING! Right, like many an SEI E9.
I'm quoting the following members because, in a rare case of near unanimity around here, the general consensus on your typing thread was that you are SEI...which was accurate.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...67#post1334767
That's effective enough Si.
Your ILE dual would love you for this.
And I also read where, as a kid, you'd sometimes eat spoiled or rotten food and you think that signifies poor Si; ummm, our lead cognitive functions are still in development when we are children. Just because a child is a Se lead doesn't mean he/she can hit a back flip on their very first attempt--it doesn't work like that.
1.) As I'm sure you well know, what someone "relates to" and what they'd like to be ideally may be different from who they actually are--I've already tried several times to explain within Socionics theory how IR can affect who we are, how we develop, etc..., even using myself as an example. Of course, what we resonate with matters, but that just can't be the sole criteria. Furthermore, I'm sure you also know how easy it is to let one's biases skew test results in favor of what they'd ideally like to be. I keep going back to his initial posts, which I feel were probably more honest than when he started reading around and coming across descriptions he really liked (idealistically), descriptions that would be incompatible and inconsistent with how he initially claimed to be.
2.) What (conscious) Fi lead would say this?
But what makes an IEE or EII is strong, conscious Fi that prompts them, in part, to most definitely ponder/consider/ruminate over their highly personalized value systems and relationships. Now that doesn't mean that they shout it to the rooftops and openly declare it everywhere; but they damn sure know how they feel about something/what they believe in. SEIs, on the other hand, tend to more readily diminish their strong, unvalued Fi for the sake of valued Fe.
lol The bane of a IEI or EII's 1-2D Se/Te existence can be successfully carrying out the above, and yet, according to him, he is so drawn to what is practically applied and observed in real life.
3.) Why can't I pinpoint anything in your posting history that would encapsulate a 3-4D "intuiting" process? I just can't find any evidence of strong intuition in what you actually say and do, which should be distinguished with what you claim to say and do. There must be evidence, "receipts" of the intuition and here you stand, empty-handed and penniless. lol
If I were you, I'd refrain from boldly typing others seeing as you haven't even accepted what YOU truly are. SMH.
So many brazilians at this forum holy shit
Nah, I don't believe any of these things I've said about myself now that I've known who I am.
Your posting texts from a time incompatible with my true beliefs, as I can absorb and create any mental picture about myself based on what I read.
That is, this whole post form.yours is just bullshit.
Also:
- I don't believe wholeheartedly in model A any longer
- intuition is not necessarily palpable as most other functions as you expect
- Socionics may type me as SEI or IEE depending on what seems more differentiaded to an external observator, I won't explain why because you just won't understand it with you inferior Extroverted Intuition compared to mine
- people's usage of words are highly associated with what they read, and listen about, not necessarily their type, this can be misleading
- I was open to the possibility of being a Si dom, but I am really lacking at this function, if you lived with me you'd know I'm intuitive
- Most of what I say is pure intuition, and you keep asking for explanations, you just can't see that (your retardness and inability to see different perspectives or come to conclusions on your own)
- You are just too naive to attach yourself to what others say and do. Especially you take a lot of Socionics descriptions at face value, and you just can't see the possibility that they might be about something not related to type.
- Read Jung instead of Socionics, and you'll understand the types (of course you can't because you want to mental masturbate with this shit called Socionics)
Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
I typed @MathHysteriaOfSoul when I knew less. Now that I know more and not enough, he shows signs of IJ temp and static nonverbals but video can be too short.
YES. LSI is likely based on short video, I know the reasons he cannot be but signs tell this so
Sure, beliefs can change but you were typed, in part, based on the things you said you actually/concretely did:
Recanting on the above doesn't constitute a change in belief, it constitutes a mental break from reality AND/OR you simply being a liar flailing and scrambling to justify the unjustifiable (i.e., you being IEE). I'm going to go with the latter.
Of course, you can do this because you're SEI. lmao You do understand that you're describing an aspect Si, right?
"When an individual of this type is preparing something, he starts from envisioning all the associated qualities that the final product will have."
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...verted_sensing
Recreating/recalling/being reminded of rich, subjective sense/aesthetic impressions (free of context) is the foundation upon which Si-dom perceiving/constructing begins. "Oh, I remember that time I ate spoiled food and had a stomach ache and so I must have weak Si!"--but what about the 1,244,456 times you didn't do that? This is how SEIs, in particular, might easily mistype themselves, because they can pinpoint, cherry pick, and combine various sense impressions (present and past) that conveniently suit whatever perception they wish to have about an object (which includes themselves).
I get it. You're pretty salty that I publicly scalped you.
What you believe is irrelevant. Just because you disagree with being a certain type by the standards and criteria of a particular system, does not mean you aren't that type (within that system). DUH.
Lies. Every IE is trackable based on objective, discernible criterion. You not knowing what they are is a personal failing.
Wrong. One's dominant function is so "over powered" that it flavors/colors/influences every other IE. Subjectively, it's so omnipotent that we may not readily see it in ourselves, akin to fish that don't know they're swimming in water--because they're simply be-ing. However, to everyone else, it's rather obvious. At least within an informational capacity, it isn't difficult to track the functions people prioritize according to the frequency, pervasiveness, and dimensionality or dynamism of the information being conveyed. Again, your inability to do this is a personal problem.
But wait a minute, we're only having this convo because you said that I'm an ENTJ. And ENTJs have 4D Ne and 3D Ni, same as an IEE (which you most certainly are not). lmao Again, you keep projecting your own confusion and limitations onto others.
I love that you make an argument for subjective, anecdotal evidence (Si) to justify your utilization of intuition. lmao This is so sad.
1.) The only "intuition" you seem to access is the colloquial, non-Jungian kind that is more typically referring to subjective, internal instincts (Si) ,e.g. "a woman's intuition." Most women are SF types that have strong Si.
2.) The only "retardation ('retardness is not a word)" I see in this situation concerns the alleged Ti PoLR person (laughably and mistakenly) criticizing me for not producing my own subjective thoughts. lmao Again, what you are doing is projecting the inadequacies of your own weak, albeit valued Ti mobilizing function.
lol Provide an example of this, Mr. Galaxy Brained intuitive person. I'll wait (probably forever). Furthermore, I actually don't take the profile descriptions at face value--what I do is take in as many different sources as possible and then distill the most consistent, trackable characteristics down to a holistic whole (Se/Ni convergence).
SO THEN LEAVE! WTF are you here if Socionics is such "shit." You make absolutely no sense, whatsoever. As is often the case with most of the disillusioned around here, you're a "know-it-all" that knows jack shit. You can't even perceive your own glaring blind spots that make it difficult for you to properly utilize the system. Sure, it's flawed but your thinking, and ability to see patterns/connect the dots (or lack there of), is an even greater part of YOUR problem.
ENTJs don't have 4D Ne, that's bullshit. But your IQ is too low to be able to see that for yourself.
Keep using Socionics as your base, and keep fighting wind mills, throwing garbage, being a dickhead and useless as you've been so far
I'm not gonna read this much trivial, baseless, but intuitive pondering, that all ENTJs use to justify their formulas to fit everything in their limited worldview.
Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
@necrosebud looks ethical
INFP
@Alive
@Alonzo
I'd look at your video. Sometimes you produce too much of drama for T types.
Also your opposing to idea about low emotional expression for T types may be your rationalization against having F type.
1.) lol Thank you for the offer, Sol. And, yes, I am more likely to "produce drama" when facts/data/logic does not work (after explaining 567,323 times) OR if I'm bored. lol An SLE knows how to put pressure on someone's weak points (4D lead Se) and taunt/mock/insult/joke (2D mobilizing Fe).
Think about it this way: a few years ago, you typed me EIE, and recently, LSI. Based on my behavior around here, I think that these are reasonable assumptions. However, neither of those types completely fit me because I am a combination of both of them > their louder, naughtier, more unruly offspring > SLE.
Function usage, from strongest to weakest:
Se: SLE > LSI >EIE
Ti: LSI > SLE > EIE
Fe: EIE > SLE > LSI
NI; EIE > LSI > SLE
Te: SLE > LSI > EIE
Si: LSI > SLE > EIE
Ne: EIE > SLE > LSI
Fi: EIE > LSI > SLE
My behavior sits somewhere in-between EIE and LSI. My first instinct is to explain things using objective data (Se), actionable facts (Te), and subjective logic (Ti); however, if I must use emotional pressuring(Fe), I have no problem doing this. The problem with me being an ethical type is that the only emotion I ever experience and showcase with any frequency and intensity is anger. That would be unusual for any F type, especially for an Fe ego--they are supposed to experience and show a range of emotions, from good to bad, pleasant to unpleasant> love, happiness, sadness, fear, anger, etc...
2.) Also, I know you don't think so but subtype really does exist--surely, you understand that there is a degree of behavioral diversity within every sociotype. How do you account for this? In Model A, I'm SLE-Se and, in Model G, SLE-C. These subtypes have strengthened sensory and ethical functions. My subtype is the most "emotional" among SLEs, but, again, that emotion is most often anger and other emotions are very shallow and short-lived. in comparison to "emotional" types like EIE, ESE, etc..., I am a dead, passionless robot (The Terminator).
3.) I can't do a video because if I show you my face, I must kill you.
When in doubt just post videos of cockatoos that makes it all better.
Record a video facing backwards
I always confuse lavos for alonzo and vice versa. I think it's because of their pfps for some reason at first glance they appear the same to me
lol Again, I will remind you that you've typed me multiple times, already:
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1558760
- If I'm ESI, then I'm Fe-ignoring; but if EIE, then I'm Fi-ignoring...ummm Do you not see the conflict there? lol Only someone who has trouble distinguishing Fe and Fi would make this error.
- ESI/LSI have 4D Fi/2D Fi; 3D Fe/1D Fe; 2D Ti/4D Ti; 1D Te/3D Te; ...ummmmmmm In other words, one of these types is ethical and the other logical. lol Only someone who has trouble distinguishing logic from ethics would make this error.
- Though EIE and LSI value the same functions, they have opposite strengths. So, according to you, I've shown both 4D Fe and 1D Fe? Both 4D Ti and 1D Ti? I have 4D demo Ne and am also 1D Ne PoLR? lol Only someone who has trouble recognizing function strength/dimensionality would make this error.
What the above conclusions tell me is that your typing method is quite flawed, tovarisch. If your opinions of my possible type are so unstable/unreliable, why should I listen to you, at all?
It's an Internet forum. Internet forums are for narcissists to spout their opinions. He seems to have largely tried to switch to talking about parapsychology, but alas for him, I know more about that than he does, I just haven't usually wanted to talk about it on the Internet very much because it's just not that relevant and most people don't care, pretty much the same as non-fringe topics like topology I also tried to talk about on this forum because that's legitimately useful for psychological typologies, but not really a topic anyone here is either willing or able to seriously discuss. And talking on the Internet about anything is boring in general. Boomers invented talk shows, millennials invented talk sites, then they got together and combined the stupidity into the Daily Wire and that's all almost anyone on sites like these is really qualified to talk about.
Where I say "possibly" is an assumption, which can be of different degree (check the comment near). Also, I may change opinions.
"LSI confirmed" - that was mainly a joking, what can be supposed by the context.
In now (same as in the past) moment I'm assured in your F type. More for J and Fe. EIE seems as most possible and SLE as close to zero.
Would be useful to see a video, even if I'd saw it before. Without nonverbal data the conditions are below normal and higher chance for mistakes.
I recommend to make new theme with a video and a questionnaire. Or to pm. Mb a miracle will happen and I will see T type.
To look more as T type you should: 1) to reduce the quantity of fonts play and smiles (it's emotional influence more expected from F types), 2) to choose the avatar as lesser colorful and preferably without living objects (you have 2 there and the pallette appropriate more for a circus than logical discussions), 3) to say lesser of emotional words (as the typology is logical theme, arguments should be logical).
Last edited by Sol; 04-14-2023 at 03:25 PM.
People who type others on just their posts are full of shit instead of other objective measures such as a video. Many people here don't even know how different socionics is from mbti in terms of functions and definitions.
Typing by a behavior is much speculative today. Objective is a data, but not "measures" - its interpretation. The objectivity would need: 1) that anyone would interpreted the same data by same way, 2) experimental proof that interpretation is correct.
Video adds important part (nonverbal behavior) of the data what _arises the chance_ for correct type. Also it's more trusty data than what people say and more complete for small known people.
There are 2 kind of info in talking: a style and a content.
Is a human F or T is not badly expressed in messages. In the degree of emotionality in the style, by interests, opinions. Sometimes can be evaluated the quality of thinking.
J/P can be supposed by the style of talking. P tend to be more chaotic in talking and writing.
Many of "bad" words talking - Fe more than Fi.
Other traits to notice in the style is harder. They can be supposed by the content.
If, for example, to take your sentence above - it's not good reasonable and redundantly rude, so Fe type can be supposed for you. While, SLI from your profile is seen as doubtful.
T types generally think some better and are lesser inclined to support opinions by emotions in logical themes.
LMAO I was watching my typing video again and this is so accurate, I had to turn the volume up so damn high to hear anything (no wonder people are always telling me they can't hear me)
sorry @myresearch idk how you heard anything in those videos lol
Chronic "grass is always greener" syndrome
@Sol I'm going to illustrate that the functions can be successfully tracked and how, subsequently, your inability to consistently and competently track mine only speaks to your lack of understanding/expertise. TO BE CLEAR, the below example constitutes just one standard/metric/criteria I utilize to type others, and according to this particular criteria, I believe it likely that Coeruleum's best fit type is EIE:
When assessed according to occurrence/frequency:
E>I: Ne+ Fe- Te- Ni- Fi Ti+
N>S: Ne+ Ni-
F>T: Fe- Te- Fi Ti+
J>P: Cumulatively displayed more rational functions [Fe- Te- Fi Ti+] than irrational ones [Ne+ Ni-]
To the extent that the function manifestations are subject to a degree of interpretation (depending on working definitions) I'm willing to debate this, but what you won't do or imply is that I am an illogical person when nearly every time I engage you, I provide objective standards and metrics backed my own creative, subjective understanding. You've yet to competently/successfully showcase, analyze, and articulate precisely how it is that I allegedly display F > T.
Last edited by Alonzo; 04-14-2023 at 05:46 PM.
Alonzo, Amoeba and Aquamarine are likely IEI, like almost everyone on this site. Alonzo is probably a creative subtype. All three are F anyway
It's not just video though, if you're going to take typing seriously you need to actually interview them and ask them questions in the process or spend time with them personally. There are many factors that come into play when someone posts on a forum that make them more emotionally expressive at time than others. You do not have a clue what their day was like if they were irritated by another person etc. You're not taking context into account and that's just bad science in general. All i'm seeing a lot of people here who are coming to wrong conclusions most likely due to egotism and one upping each other it's pretty sad and pathetic. I find people here are not into having constructive discussions as much as other forums and want to one up each other every chance they get.
Any type can be emotionally expressive in their messages, if someone is truly a genuine person they are emotionally expressive. Putting up a wall in a hostile environment doesn't make you an F or T type. You fail to take context into play humans are not robots most people are highly emotional in general.
I've seen T types with horrible logic and F types with great logical skills that's not what makes someone a type. If someone put a gun to your head being a T type you would probably still shit or piss your pants unless you had some kind of training regardless of your sociotype. To me It sounds like you're bitter because I called out your bad typing skills because you are using bad science to come to conclusions that I'm a F type. You called connar McGregor an ILI when he's an obvious SLE. Anyone who takes forum typing seriously without the objective measures that I mentioned are also using bad science but It's not my duty to educate others.
Last edited by Amoeba; 04-14-2023 at 04:32 PM.
@Alonzo
Coeruleum Blue's flow of mind is not well structured what leaves chances for P types.
"However, looking at big multinational brands and seeing that almost all of them are run by Jews with Israeli citizenship who donate to Zionist charities (the actually Zionist part,) unlike positing shapeshifting reptilian aliens projecting Earth as a hologram from the Moon, is not crazy, because that is really how it is and it is rather public that is how it is." link
The talking is rather strange, so can be significant psyche distortions. To type such people correctly by a behavior is harder. To have a video is more meaningful for such cases.
P. S.
Functions with signes is doubtful theory, besides is not Socionics.
But yeah if anyone is actually interested in the difference between F and T types. Particularly SEI vs SLI have a look at this podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7SNXZk5b4&t=7048s