SEE guys
Share any experiences and thoughts you have on these guys?
Often they are flamboyant, energetic, and an interesting balance of the masculine and feminine.
If you have any experiences or thoughts on relationships between SEE and SLE, please share them as well.
I heard theyre fucking awesome people
LIES! You probably spread the rumor.Originally Posted by Number 9 large
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
LIES! You probably spread the rumor.
I have a data point for ESI-Se and SLE. The sex is luscious and the public relationship is not so good.
That's a supervision, which usually aren't so good. I don't have experience with SLE-SEE, but I have with LIE-LSE, and it's pretty good, so if I extrapolate, I'd imagine it would be good too. Kindred's are similar to one's dual, since as per Model B, they share many functions.
I agree and I'm a fan of Model B as well. It's like they're semi-duals in a sense that way.
What was LIE-LSE like for you? If you'd like to describe more.
SEE dude:
He's such a fuckboi. Well he likes girls a lot and easily, especially the cute ones... And they're like pua types who just analyze hoe to get a girl and give tips how to get a girl or how to look like one. I had friends with this see before. He's my neighborhood.. I was a lesbian way back teenage years and he's teaching me to be a girl and he's saying to me that he will make me a girl. We kissed though and he showed me his penis before just because I'm curious to see and.. He danced in front on me with the towel on. Nothing happened. We just hangout one summer.. And that's it..
sle dude
I have a close sle dude and he's actually nice. He's older than most of my classmates but he's actually really cool. I don't know why. Sometimes you can say he can be an entp but nopes.. Probably the middle of entp estp but it's like he's 65% estp and other entp sort of thing. Well, i love talking with him it's sooo relaxing and comfortable tbh.. Like we can understand each other a lot.. He's actually nice.. But kind of bully lol 😂 but not the asshole bulliness but well I'm kinda bully too lol but it's not the asshole bully.. Well, i.love hanging out with my friend where we can just stay outside in the.middle of the.night, chill and worry about nothing
He's got lot of vices though. Like drugs, smoking, and alcohol..
Eventhough he's like that, he's still vary respectful. He never took any advantage of me no matter how drunk i am. Nor he took any advantage of any of my girl friends. He's not the fuckboy type.. But just like the see, he constantly check out girls and describe to me how hot she is or how is she not hot..
So basically i.had ideas how is.hot for Se.doms 😂
I really dislike them.
ili confirmed
Why?
Because I find them annoying. Doesn't need to be more complex than that.
Gets annoying to have his butt torn open over and over again by them.. ouch
But...but... You're supposed to be duals! X_X
The one SEE guy I know had turbulent history. First, when he was 19 he went studying to big city but instead studying he was drug dealing. And he was dealing meth mainly, he haven't went to college at all. So once he went to a pub in big city with LSI friend and they drank, sniffed some meth, and some drunk guy came and started doing some bizzare things. They took him out of the pub and he stabbed him twice in the stomach and liver, took his belongings and then police stopped them and discovered stolen things. The SEE friend, in the prison on first night tried to commit suicide. He spent 4 years in prison. When he came back, he was meeting with old friends on the street and attacking them, this is how much he was traumatised, I think it was PTSD. Basically whatever you told him even most sincere things he was suddenly getting pissed off and very aggressive. So then he went studying to college. He finished the school and he got a job as consultant. From this moment on, as he finally got into work, he went on quite good, even he accidentally admitted to his boss he smokes weed during lunch brakes, became furious at customers few times and throwing keyboard at them etc.
Keep in mind he was quite intelligent SEE who was able to finish college and get well paid job. In my area this is not common for most SEEs.
What is he doing now?
I find it quite inspirational how he could turn his life around like that, going from prison, to university, to a good job. (Though he still had to deal with anger issues.)
But I've found this to be a common trend with rather intelligent Se ego men. They go through sh*t but then emerge on the top of it later.
We used to work at the same company for 10 years. Now he's at different corporation as a manager. He doesn't smoke weed or coke any more because he needs to pay a loan and weed is expensive there (over 20 euros per gram which is enough for a day). He drinks a bit. He haven't got any problems with law, he managed to talk himself out when they catched him with drugs on him. He had some pub fights but he usually gets out before police comes.
I wonder where's his ethics, I wonder why his ethics was so low if he's 100% SEE. Maybe it's because he's psychopath.
He was definitely SEE, he was totally like SF style. Most of his friends are also gammas. He has something like that that he can't choose between Se and Fi and he doesn't know when to apply one or another. I always told him it's better to apply judging function as this is what brains are for and it's better in his case.
I think one pitfall of SEE guys is when their Fi gets disconnected from Se and leave Se alone. This is when bad things happen. I've seen it with few SEEs.
I find SLEs much more in self-control and calmer. Maybe because of the more stable mood because of weaker Fi. Or maybe stronger Ti makes them more reasonable.
It's more than once or even 10 times I've seen SEE guy taking on many stronger guys at once and get beaten and never learning a lesson. After that they said they thought they can beat anyone and that the guys looked small, even if it was rugby team on holiday.
They really do. What is your method to tell them apart?
Love him and hate him.
It's a party everytime..... But that's what makes me hate him lol
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SEEs = awesomeness.
I'm in love with one right now.
Lol ;P I'd rather talk about personal details over shoutbox or PM etc haha..
They are dominating and meanwhile well-mannered persons.They are playful and funny.
Being emotional some may and prefer to look lesser smart than are actually. Most of them are not highly intelligent, but "know life" on practice.
It's not hard for them to be liked by other people. Unlike Ti/Fe they tend do not press others, but to be friendly and easy with anyone. Though they impose their will, but slower, indirectly and with a friendly smile.
Someones like to discuss mistical things among friends.
They are greedy, so when they make you gifts - they think they pay you for something.
Like all Se they are mercantilistic, so prefer to deal with "useful" friends.
Like common for F-E they look for informal relations and "human ways" to achieve something.
It's hard to trust them much, - as they'll say "sorry" and betray similarly easy like looked friendly with you before (when they needed you). They play and experiment with relations and people, being creative Fi.
They are easy to lie. But avoid to do it directly and clearly, they prefer to mislead you.
In actions they are often egoistic and manipulative. But they also are sentimental and may do a lot for you, partly probably in a hope you'll pay them in the future by comparable.
I had no close friendship, but studed with, lived near, worked with and had a relative among SEE men.
They are dominating and meanwhile well-mannered persons.
Being emotional some may and prefer to look lesser smart than are actually. Most of them are not highly intelligent, but "know life" on practice.
It's not hard for them to be liked by other people. Unlike Ti/Fe they tend do not press others, but to be friendly and easy with anyone. Though they impose their will, but slower, indirectly and with a friendly smile.
Someones like to discuss mistical things among friends.
They are greedy, so when they make you gifts - they think they pay you for something.
Like all Se they are mercantilistic, so prefer to deal with "useful" friends.
Like common for F-E they look for informal relations and "human ways" to achieve something.
It's hard to trust them much, - as they'll say "sorry" and betray similarly easy like looked friendly with you before (when they needed you). They play and experiment with relations and people, being creative Fi.
They are easy to lie. But avoid to do it directly and clearly, they prefer to mislead you.
In actions they are often egoistic and manipulative. But they also are sentimental and may do a lot for you, partly probably in a hope you'll pay them in the future by comparable.
I have now come to think my older brother was SEE. If so, SOL is pretty close to right on the money.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ype-my-brother
FWIW he came across as a goddamn mercurial golden boy. Also I can say he was a VERY intelligent person, but didn't make a big deal about it.
How would one go about "going steady" with one in any sense of the word? I'm talking about two adults who work here, not people in school. I know mine is a really independent person and I don't think I should stifle his freedom at all. I don't really expect a long term relationship from it either in all honesty. Are SEEs afraid to commit?
SEE guys are okay but I usually get along better with SEE girls. Cuz the friction of my NF-ness and their SF ness is sort of like two straight women trying to be attracted to one another but it doesn't quite work out. We will often find each other interesting/sometimes even romantic from a distance though. Actually interacting with them is kind of annoying and painful tbh.
"A lot of other Ethical men cannot really fit into the masculine gender role, and it can distress them."
Other people tend to get annoyed at IEI males which if you internalize that, it makes us annoy ourselves. Naturally I really don't have an inferiority complex though. I have learned that the key to life is to be proud of yourself even if everybody else looks down on you. Just because other people get disgusted that I'm not a 'real man' doesn't mean I have to absorb their disgust.
That's really nice to hear. Adversity builds character too. It makes you a better man on the inside than a person who doesn't have to deal with that. Because you come to know what you're about thoroughly when it comes to that stuff.
Do you know if you've had any experience with ILI women since kindred relations are relevant here too? If you do and would like to share, I'd really appreciate it.
Extremely accurate @Sol . Thanks.
Well ILI women and I clash at first because they want a stoic gamma businessman type and I am waaaaay too Fe for them. Ime we loathe each other at first but then really grow to respect each other. I usually get along with women more regardless of type, I was mistreated more by men growing up cuz dudes are little dickheads and they know it. (and I don't mean to play victim with that - I myself didn't try hard enough to meet them halfway either.) But when a woman and I do clash its like Buffy and Glory hehe.Do you know if you've had any experience with ILI women since kindred relations are relevant here too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XReQHN0q0XM
And the conflict is kinda more interesting and I focus on it more probably even though objectively, I am going to not get along with men not women. ILI women and me get along better it seems then the ILI men - which usually always feels awkward.
It's like if my life were a video game, the lower level monsters would be other men - and there would be a lot more of them, but most of the head bosses would be female. Hope that kind of makes sense.
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Lol.
My best friend is an Se-SEE. When I was younger, I used to be really bothered by his flakiness, self-destructive behavior and mood swings. Now, I just don't care and I pretty much expect this behavior so it doesn't surprise me and it's improved our friendship ironically. I still hardly see him nowadays though, I am too busy and he is too flaky. Mind you, he is not exactly a healthy SEE, healthy SEEs are much better.
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One thing I’ve noticed where IEI seems to have an edge over SEE for me is that SEE verbalizes emotions and thoughts a lot more and has asked me to do the same whereas a lot more is implied using Fe/Ti style communication with the IEI. It also makes me feel like the IEI can read my mind basically, while with the SEE I have to put in effort, where to be honest I don’t always know what I’m feeling in the first place. The IEI however can hear my calls from deeper inside.
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I have an SEE neighbor, and his general optimism and confidence in some areas, whether warranted or not, is infectious. I like the guy, but I definitely would not want him to design a bridge.
Trump is an example of a bad person who happens to be SEE.
Here is a link to an example of an SEE who would have done much better if he'd had an ILI advising him, and who came to a bad end because of it.
https://www.trulyadventure.us/death-...-good-salesman
think its ur responsibility to control them when they attack you
can get mad at u for the wrong reasons and go too hard against you. are inconsistent and tell stories about you out of personal offense and bad Ti while simultaneosuly getting too defensive when accused. performartive and care more about how they are perceived than integrity. maybe addicted too stimulation and some of the good stuff and thinking this is a normal baseline hence tendency to entitlement and overextend, and or feeling depressive and bored cuz they cant satisfy their baseline then concluding its natural to attack others to get what u want bc u either get used or u use others for fun. anxious and thinking others owe them to perceive them a certain way including buying their gaslighting and narcissism and thinking u're fake or a liar/trying to make them look bad cuz they think u dont have enough info to guess what they are about when u discern them properly - but they also do get unfairly treated sometimes too ofc, maken the wrong impressions or stories about too. thats some of the negative stuff. tendency to scam and manipulate others. and like other Se egos try to appear tuffer and more knowledgeable than they are while again getting offended when someone doesnt agree with their invented status.
postivie experience with male SEE teacher was he wasnt against me going barefoot and was friendly. the director was SEE and he was friendly too but idk if he wasnt manipulative behind the scenes and told ppl to control me. they can sometimes fight the good fight against oppressive and exploitative rules and people. some negative impression is if they oppose them initially, but get "disciplined" bc they are forced around too hard and then they become thankful bc they feel like they have more control of themselves, which i understanding wanting that kind of self control but like being obnoxious and then forcing others to litearlly abuse u and brainwash u into something else doesnt make u better, ur literally broken with several complexes and fears.
SEEs can tend to have high anxiety. i think too much improper muscle strain and overactivation has given them into bad habits and tendency to become innert, be it in pride, shame, o rother emotions than can become extreme and unreasoned. difficulty slowing down and processing and discerning some things outi of their current particular scope.
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I kinda think SEEs in deranged mood are so easy to pacify and deal with because what you just need to do is to never react but look annoyed and show what you feel because most of the time the only reason they act is to actually rig you to whatever they are cooking (bullshit or not) in whatever means possible. So when they notice you are just dissociating they will try to double down on it by closing the gap even more and that’s the time you react looking angry almost grunting then shrug them repeatedly like you really just wanna get rid of them. So they would soften up and stop being so deranged because they will now realize that they are now becoming a real inconvenience. They would act normally after that. The problem is when you try to act nice they would manipulate and use you further because everything to them is like a yes for some reason so if you don’t show annoyance they will just have their rose-tinted glasses on and just keep doing what they’re doing. I guess it makes sense because their dual is a Victim, so ILIs really need prodding on certain matters and it’s not like the ILI is not straightforward enough unlike Ethical victim. An SEE might just need negative vibes as signal. And ILIs see the bad in everything + convince themselves that something is wrong/bad/no go just because there is no progress (either movement is slow or the whole thing hasn’t started yet), so an SEE would have a natural tendency to see some kind of inning like if an ILI would say “we’re not gonna convince them with just this” the SEE would be the one to say “well we haven’t talked to them yet!” then try to come up with something but still keeping in mind that they are in an unfavorable position. If the SEE doesn’t, the ILI would never try at all. This is kinda bad for the ILI because they will only pursue things that are sure which closes a lot of possibilities for them so if they don’t have SEE energy around them they would be bound to regret certain things. Might get sad and bitter.
Anw SEE also do this deranged things in front of everyone, and it’s worse if they are in a crazy mood around other people because they would stir the pot. Sometimes they argue, make people argue or basically just say random things. It makes people laugh (but it’s more for the dual kind of, because ILI wouldn’t feel too alone that they feel deeply and negatively inside in the sea of externally joyful and peaceful people, they kinda need edge and stop playing the bs hi hello social game) but personally I feel like after a while play time should be over so now it’s someone else’s time to be angry at the one who started the whole thing anyway (it’s gonna be you). But again, most people are afraid to be in opposition or destroy group mood but then SEE will be so good at controlling it as they see fit so they just keep creating chaos.
It’s the same thing with them “using” people, like they’re too crazy that they think when you don’t say no then they can make you do things forever. So it’s very easy because you just say no, say something like, “nope, tired” “no what a waste of time” “how about you do it?” or like never be “kind” and offer them anything (I kinda want to comment that certain people are obviously kind to use others anyway so idk if I will side with them on this one). The dynamic will change to you doing things together other than you being used. This also happens to some types but I think a deranged SEE has a capability to really gather people and just make them useful to him/her while people won’t bat an eye very much.
I think the good thing about SEEs is you can criticize them and they can always learn from it and brush it casually and even turn it as a joke + they are also okay being the joke without internalizing it unlike other types who can’t take a joke/cares too much about what you say. Since they aren’t too attuned to relational ties (as in, we’re already close so even if I may sound harsh now you’ll know that deep down I care about you) once you say something directly they will start to think you don’t like them anymore or like you’re publicly shaming them in front of other people.
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