The16types Typings Spreadsheet

[Tallmo]

I noticed that several people are typing me LII or IEI.

It's not surprising considering my style of writing in this forum. And the things I write about.

I think it's a combination of "pseudo-adaption" of weak intuition together with some common sense, experience, impressions and knowledge from what I've read before. Together they give the impression of "intuitive type". Plus being in an environment like this forum that has no use for my natural self (except for the chat box, where it's more easy to breath)

[Aylen]

I noticed that several people are typing me LII or IEI.

It's not surprising considering my style of writing in this forum. And the things I write about.

I think it's a combination of "pseudo-adaption" of weak intuition together with some common sense, experience, impressions and knowledge from what I've read before. Together they give the impression of "intuitive type". Plus being in an environment like this forum that has no use for my natural self (except for the chat box, where it's more easy to breath)

Try talking about fluffy pillows, cooking and your bodily sensations more.

The Jungian definition of Si could be your best fit, probably not the socionics version (as many interpret it). I don't know anything about you really so this is just a guess that Jungian Si is best fit.

I don't care that the info does not come from a socionics related site. As Richard Bach would say:

“I'll quote the truth wherever I find it, thank you.”

It’s important to note that introverted sensing is not solely tied to past events. It also sees how the object or sensation can be used in the future. As Carl Jung said, “We could say that introverted sensation transmits an image which does not so much reproduce the object as spread over it the patina of age-old subjective experience and the shimmer of events still unborn. The bare sense impression develops in depth, reaching into the past and future, while extraverted sensation seizes on the momentary existence of things open to the light of day.”

According to neuroscientist Dario Nardi, introverted sensing types show increased brain activity in regions that plan for the future. They enjoy seeing how something can be used in the future, or how an experience can be created. They may enjoy creating traditions that have sentimental value, like going through an advent calendar every Christmas or eating the same breakfast every Sunday morning. Basically, Si-users experience life in a timeless way. They are constantly shifting through past, present, and future impressions. The present experience will be a memory one day. The current experience reminds us of a similar experience in the past. This same experience can be re-created and enjoyed in the future.

Introverted sensors are quick to pick up on patterns in either systems or human behavior. They think about how situations played out in the past and consider how those same patterns might repeat themselves in the future. They compare and contrast present realities to past experience to see if patterns are continuing or if there is a noticeable shift or difference.

Unhealthy Introverted Sensing:

Extreme or unhealthy introverted sensing can lead to an inability to let go of objects that are tied to particular impressions. As a result, unhealthy Si-users can have issues with hoarding. Instead of seeing a coffee cup that belonged to one’s grandmother, the introverted sensor sees the impression of the grandmother; all the fond memories, the lazy Saturday mornings gathered around the table, the perfume grandmother used to wear, how her voice sounded, her kindness. As a result, the introverted sensor is unable to let go of the coffee mug because it has lost its objective reality, it has, in a way, become grandmother.

“Above all, his development alienates him from the reality of the object, leaving him at the mercy of his subjective perceptions, which orient his consciousness to an archaic reality…Actually he lives in a mythological world, where men, animals, locomotives, houses, rivers, and mountains appear either as benevolent deities or as malevolent demons.”
– Carl Jung, Psychological Types

Extreme extraverted sensing can lead to an over-indulgence in experience and sensory gratification. The unhealthy Se-user wants new and novel experiences, tastes, feelings, thrills to an excessive or destructive degree.
Examples of Healthy Introverted Sensing:


Healthy introverted sensing looks to stored impressions and data to retain an incredibly accurate knowledge base. SJs can recall with vivid detail exactly how a situation played out before or the important details of systems or people. They swiftly recall facts and details that will be important in the future. When they learn something new that they deem as important they are quick to see how it will benefit them in the future. They may enjoy collecting facts and impressions throughout their life in an effort to use them productively in some way. Lessons learned through personal exposure and observation are rarely lost.

Is Introverted Sensing “Conformist”, or “Overly Traditional”?
There is really nothing about introverted sensing that is conformist. At least not if you trust what Carl Jung wrote about the function. People have made strange leaps of judgment about introverted sensing types; that they are unable to think for themselves or innovate. While it’s true that intuition is more focused on theoretical possibilities and abstract innovation, introverted sensing can be innovative in a hands-on, way. ISTJs like Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel innovated when they created Amazon and Paypal. There are even SJ philosophers like Thomas Hobbes and Martin Heidegger.


https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/201...erted-sensing/

[Tallmo]

Try talking about fluffy pillows, cooking and your bodily sensations more.

The Jungian definition of Si could be your best fit, probably not the socionics version (as many interpret it). I don't know anything about you really so this is just a guess that Jungian Si is best fit.

Jungs Si and Socionics Si is the same thing. It's just that Jung digs into the core of the experience but Socionics looks more at it from the outside.

Jungs Si and "past events" has been horribly misunderstood. Jung is using that kind of language to describe the quality of the experience itself. It is definitely not a personal thing at all. It has nothing to do with my own past or memories or anything like that.

[Aylen]

Jungs Si and Socionics Si is the same thing. It's just that Jung digs into the core of the experience but Socionics looks more at it from the outside.

Jungs Si and "past events" has been horribly misunderstood. Jung is using that kind of language to describe the quality of the experience itself. It is definitely not a personal thing at all. It has nothing to do with my own past or memories or anything like that.

I personally find Si an uncomfortable way to process anything and do not like to be instructed on it. Socionics descriptions of it do make it seem almost as useless as they make Ni seem when it comes to getting things done in the real world because of the potential of being overly concerned with ones internal sensations? I am not sure how it isn't personal or related to memory though. Life itself is personal and relies on memory one way or another. I will have to take your word for it.

Edit: I remember being new here and not one person was able to describe Si to me. I ended up sorting it myself and figuring out just how and when I used it.

[Sol]

Edit: I remember being new here and not one person was able to describe Si to me.

It would be enough to read any text about functions.
Socionics is Jung's typology and uses same core functions descriptions. The difference of expanded descriptions does not mean it's other functions or special Jung's one. Those expanded descriptions are just secondary interpretations. Jung could to mistake like anyone (what he did even about own type) or to say something in a way that could be understood wrongly with his muddy leading Ni.
Si are sensations related to subject/human. Like taste, the feeling of comfort, aestetic pleasure, beauty - it's all subjective feelings/sensations. Same you may read anywhere. And same is at Jung - subjective sensations.

What type Tallmo has we'd could to understand only with good typing material like video. He may have not SEI, as mistakes are not rare.

[Tallmo]

I personally find Si an uncomfortable way to process anything

I don't like Ni either.

I am not sure how it isn't personal or related to memory though. Life itself is personal and relies on memory one way or another. I will have to take your word for it.

You provided this quote:

As Carl Jung said, “We could say that introverted sensation transmits an image which does not so much reproduce the object as spread over it the patina of age-old subjective experience and the shimmer of events still unborn. The bare sense impression develops in depth, reaching into the past and future, while extraverted sensation seizes on the momentary existence of things open to the light of day.”

Jung is here talking about the character of the impression. He is in a way using poetic language to describe something very hard to describe. It's not about my personal memory, or past/future, but a way to characterize the experience.

Jung uses the word "patina". That's a brilliant way to say Si with one word.

The writer goes on:

According to neuroscientist Dario Nardi, introverted sensing types show increased brain activity in regions that plan for the future. They enjoy seeing how something can be used in the future, or how an experience can be created. They may enjoy creating traditions that have sentimental value,

This is were he totally misunderstands Jung, just like MBTI does. That's why I say that it's not personal. It has nothing to do with my past/future or my memory.

Socionics descriptions of it do make it seem almost as useless as they make Ni seem when it comes to getting things done in the real world because of the potential of being overly concerned with ones internal sensations?

Si is in fact useful, but usually only when paired with Te. Delta STs are the craftsmen, painters and carpenters of society. Si gives the person a "feeling" for materials. That's the unconscious component to sensing that Jung talks about and that is the secret of fine craftsmanship.

SEIs have more difficulties to put Si to use, it requires more adaption and development of thinking, but of course it's also possible.

What one usually sees in SEIs is poorly developed base function. Maybe that's why Si is seen as responsible for laziness. It is responsible for laziness though, but not to the extent that is believed imo.

[Sol]

Si is in fact useful, but usually only when paired with Te.

Do not underestimate alpha F types.
To cook good it does not need good Te. Today medicine with a lot of specializations they do ok too. Other social and arts stuff.

> Delta STs are the craftsmen, painters and carpenters of society.

all S types do this ok. including F ones, where it does not need higher economy, comlicated organisation (like mass production) or creating new technology methods

> What one usually sees in SEIs is poorly developed base function

heresy
normal typing is what you need to check your type. you strangely miss the social role of "own" type

[Exodus]

I noticed that several people are typing me LII or IEI.

It's not surprising considering my style of writing in this forum. And the things I write about.

I think it's a combination of "pseudo-adaption" of weak intuition together with some common sense, experience, impressions and knowledge from what I've read before. Together they give the impression of "intuitive type". Plus being in an environment like this forum that has no use for my natural self (except for the chat box, where it's more easy to breath)

While SEI isn't totally out of the question -- you haven't done a typing thread, so I don't know too much about you -- this is a poor excuse.

Typical Alpha SF forum behavior (exemplified by, IMO, bg and other past members) is more focused (for example) on being entertaining or creating a light mood. It's not like anyone is forcing you to talk about technical topics, indeed most people spend most of their time here socializing -- an environment which has plenty of "use" for an SEI, although they are typically more interested in real-life activities. @Suz also has no problem expressing Si on the forum.

[Suz]

While SEI isn't totally out of the question -- you haven't done a typing thread, so I don't know too much about you -- this is a poor excuse.

Typical Alpha SF forum behavior (exemplified by, IMO, bg and other past members) is more focused (for example) on being entertaining or creating a light mood. It's not like anyone is forcing you to talk about technical topics, indeed most people spend most of their time here socializing -- an environment which has plenty of "use" for an SEI, although they are typically more interested in real-life activities. @Suz also has no problem expressing Si on the forum.

i'm not sure if i'm SEI or ESI at this point, actually (or something else entirely)

[Olimpia]

i'm not sure if i'm SEI or ESI at this point, actually (or something else entirely)

You're a rabbit, Suz

You gotta go down the rabbit hole.

[Suz]

You're a rabbit, Suz

You gotta go down the rabbit hole.

story of my life...

[Olimpia]

story of my life...

I could see that

[wasp]

story of my life...

*PETS AGGRESSIVELY*

[The Reality Denialist]

i'm not sure if i'm SEI or ESI at this point, actually (or something else entirely)

Don't worry Sol will do non verbals if you want to.

[Sol]

Don't worry Sol will do non verbals if you want to.

As I understand for polr T type is harder to select words so they together contained a sense, so I'll help you a little.
Sol types by nonverbal info. It's typed one who does "nonverbals".

Thanks for the attention.

[The Reality Denialist]

As I understand for polr type is harder to select words so they together contained a sense, so I'll help you a little.
Sol types by nonverbal info. It's typed one who does "nonverbals".

Thanks for the attention.

I just consider it as one of the well established of Sol expressions. Do non-verbals = Sol analyses your every bodily twist​.


Or maybe non verbals are not real for me. I hardly notice anything as detailed as body movements.

[Suz]

As I understand for polr T type is harder to select words so they together contained a sense, so I'll help you a little.
Sol types by nonverbal info. It's typed one who does "nonverbals".

Thanks for the attention.

[Suz]

Don't worry Sol will do non verbals if you want to.

[Orthotomus]

While SEI isn't totally out of the question -- you haven't done a typing thread, so I don't know too much about you -- this is a poor excuse.

Well, it's based on some dated questionnaire, but still:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...naire-(Tallmo)

[Tallmo]

While SEI isn't totally out of the question -- you haven't done a typing thread, so I don't know too much about you -- this is a poor excuse.

Typical Alpha SF forum behavior (exemplified by, IMO, bg and other past members) is more focused (for example) on being entertaining or creating a light mood. It's not like anyone is forcing you to talk about technical topics, indeed most people spend most of their time here socializing -- an environment which has plenty of "use" for an SEI, although they are typically more interested in real-life activities. @Suz also has no problem expressing Si on the forum.

Oh yes. I wasnt complaining at all. Im totally ok with the forum and me being here. Just giving my feedback why i think some people dont see SEI. Im totally aware of that i dont seem SEI

I never made a typing thread because my type was always clear to me. But ive filled out a questionare

[Tallmo]

I thought the same as @thehotelambush. That and I also thought your writing style seems static>dynamic and IJ.

Yes thats true. Very static and technical