Probably 5-10% of those typings have change to "no opinion" or an alternative type since 2016, in line with those individuals who have become less certain or who have changed their self-typing. My rule was to only include individuals whose self-typings I agreed with strongly and/or without serious reservations. I think I could probably add a few more individuals to the list, although I don't feel especially inclined to do so at the moment. I suppose my view is that must be a certain period of stability or consistency before I could add someone to such a list.
add
summerprincess, selftypes as IEI
actually my entire point has always been that you look down on ESE which is why you see being typed as one as an insult, not that I look down on them (if you think of benefactor relations it makes a lot more sense as a projection of yours onto me rather than it being true as a function of my actual ITR--in other words, I may be factually wrong, but not intending to insult). it hardly matters at this point though, because I fundamentally agree with your assertion that typing is subjective and not meant to be taken so seriously as to actually get angry over, whether insult or not, in the first place. if you think I was insulting you, you would have to reckon that with the even more clear fact of my distaste for beta [1], from which anything would be a step up. so you can say I don't like ESE, which isn't true, but even if you assume it to be true, its still not really an insult if I'm moving you up in the grand scheme of my internal subjective ranking. in any case, if you prefer to be thought of as IEI i accept that, since if the spreadsheet has shown me anything its that people care about consensus over truth and inasmuch as that is the case its all meaningless anyway
I also think the more I come to like ESE the less you fit my conception of them, so maybe you've been right all along, but inasmuch as that is the case it becomes an insult because I'm essentially learning you're not good enough for ESE. in the end, we're just talking past eachother since what you deem to be the basis for an insult and what I deem to be the basis are two different standards (intent), hence the more I try not to insult you by your own criterion the more I feel guilty internally for doing exactly that. in other words, the nicer I try to be the more you take offense and vice versa. in the final analysis if I concede you being IEI and you and scarper are queen and white knight it does make sense. now both of you would have the world believe its simply because you're just two amazing people who can get along with anyone despite ITR, but I think a quick trip through everyone's posting history shows that to be manifestly untrue
the bottom line is I'm willing to concede we live in two different worlds and our language reflects that and communication is difficult which leads to conflict, which I think neither of us feels all that deeply (as in true bad blood), but from the outside looks pretty bad. ultimately I think we both understand things well enough and we each have our separate circles to tend to and that's perfectly alright
[1] which by the way I don't concede, but let's operate on your perception of me for the sake of argument
Last edited by Bertrand; 03-04-2018 at 10:48 PM.
Show me where I look down on ESE? It was never a matter of whether you liked or disliked ESE to me. I didn't care if you liked me or not. I cared that you were repeatedly putting a type on me that you said was stupid, more than once. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.
You can't see why I felt a little insulted?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
when I say I associate stupidity arising out of ESE its just the strongest example of Fe, which is
you exhibit "stupidity" in exactly this way. I noted that its a perceptual effect and objectively an "unfair, biased and possibly evil" effect of perception. if you can't understand this then we are hopelessly at odds because you can't understand why anyone might find Fe "stupid" but not the person. the consequence is you cannot broaden your perspective to a truly jungian view which contextualizes the "evil" out of these associations. inasmuch as you're locked into your commitment to battling over these issues without capacity to rise above them the evil is just as much in you as me, though. in other words, I view you as a self, and you view my view you of you as solely constrained to your ego, thus my statements rankle you in an unintended way. in sum, you've missed the point and continue to do so. by manufacturing offense in this way you can bond with others over a common cause but its all very empty and misguided from my point of viewat the same time feel as if they are forced to worship the "fetish" - a stupid impression made from the most miserable and most primitive version, remotely resembling their EGO program - the area of their innate professionalism, according to which each of them feels like a congenital "lawmaker", an "expert", a "judge", but certainly not a servant performer of the most crude and primitive of her designs.
I was explaining what was going on with me at the time we were going back and forth in the past. I have moved on so you are off the mark. The post wasn't even about you. It was about me. You were merely an example and to pretend it wasn't irritating at the time would leave out an important detail while explaining the difference in my anger and irritation. I wasn't intending to get you riled up over it. For that I apologize but not for what I said.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
good job Aylen~ same stuff I was complaining about with sirac tbh (and I guess now we have to be the same type for thinking this is rude similarly, aha.... anyway I remember one of your rants against Bertrand from back then where Sol stepped out to re-type you as EII/ESI, because "oh look at the Fi!" smh)
The only thing that's consistent in your behavior is the dynamic nature of your emotions.
Here in the above quotes, you're calling out all sorts of 'rudes', simply for stating the factual point () that you're INFP (by your own admission) and that you're IEI.
From your column in the type sheet, how you describe people, instead of their type:
'lol'
'no'
'hmm'
'oddball'
'no'
Which you admit yourself you did for 'lols', not being serious, then saying you are serious.
You don't display statics of interactions, but instead continue to display hyper emotionality - the energetic condition, which is, you continually display Fe.
What's rude is your insulting of me for stating the obvious socionic fact.
Anyway, it's not the first time it's happened, other users, cuivinen, domr, act the same (Fe egos), finally they come round in spite of their histrionics.
For some reason you never seem to remember to thank me though
Edit: Your column would likely be described as 'rude', but, it's just you being , as everywhere.
>ive moved on
>reposts year old post from then newbie
well, I'm glad you moved on
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
for someone who doesnt like to stir shit up you're sure well full of it : )
ps, I suggest people obsessed with MBTI to perhaps change forum. oh no sorry WE ALL NEED SI-TE (?) DRAMA in our lives.
Drama creating - Fe, especially Beta NF
Appeals to authority - aristocratic - Delta/Beta. Ignores factual information presented to know why is an Fe ego type (non Delta quadra, non valuing), instead prefers to rely on own imagined existence of type (Ni) whilst displaying thuggish attitude (Se valuing)
Your typing column for group 'lols', as you say, and your attempts to drag others into the conversation by broad appeals:
Beta NF Quadra
- Beta types tend to enjoy group activities where the whole group participates in generating a common emotional atmosphere, as in laughing at jokes, etc.
- Beta types tend to give more value to feelings when they are demonstrated with clear emotional expression, and tend to increase the level of their own emotional expression in order to get a reaction from other people. (You)
sirac, u asked to be removed from the sheet to "sit yourself out of it". and the last 3 pages have been full of your passive aggressive comments to the people u dont like.
u call my attitude funny and rude for typing people in a way u dont like, yet u dont know why i typed certain people in a certain way, and i guess the lol really fits u, better than SLI.
SLI seems really off for u. but it's fine, keep typing me IEI, so we can keep being superegos and admire each others from afar lol
Y'all shy babes are endearing... BUT WHERE IS THE BATTLETYPING WHEN WE REALLY NEED IT HUHH?!
Plan A (nice) is... simply tagging people and asking politely to give their opinions in the sheet The incentive being that you get typed in return
@anndelise
@peteronfireee (please someone add this cute bun to the list, he's missing! @Director Abbie)
@FDG
@Viktor
@Olimpia
@Without Warning
@Arachne
If that doesn't work:
Plan B (evil): We need someone unlikeable with extremely controversial, completely off typings (that are also lowkey insulting!) that try to prove everybody wrong to get it going. Like someone who types @Troll Nr 007 ESI-Se 2w3 SX. That would be explosive. Then others want to correct and make a better column, causing a huge buzz and downright hatestorm. The result: the sheet and thread blow up, further attracting people. We have to lure said controversial typist in with making them believe that they are completely accurate, the best, and welcome here. That's the devious scheme, now we just need someone to bring in the bait person. (Maybe this plan is already ruined because I gave it away, but the person would have to be too dense and caught up in being right to get it.)
@Director Abbie there's probably no point including the anonymous data in any charts, because there is no way of determining whether the data is valuable (in the sense that is the opinion of an actual person).
Last edited by Enters Laughing; 03-05-2018 at 10:49 PM.
Pie charts seems like too much, and a waste of time
As better alternative I offer you to add @summerprincess in the list. In case you take your duties seriously.
it's nice
there are 8 another versions I was suspected in
I added stuffs.
YOU HAVE BEEN TYPED BY ME (maybe, some of you).
good bye
@lavos
@Cuivienen
@Number 9 large
Someone is mangling your columns. It looks like they sorted the columns to move all the inputs up, then fiddled with the results. I can put the old inputs back like I did for the column of @ooo but without protecting your column with your email the slob could just do it again.
Thanks @Director Abbie,
I'm wondering what a graph distribution would be like of the frequency of each of the 16 types among the forum members. There's opportunities to compare self typing with other typing as a % of match. Also the most frequently typed type by other members of the forum as a whole.
Hmmm these are some complex charts/graphs IMO. I'm just liking the pie chart and thinking of ways to work with the information, but i'm new to it. So it's just ideas really, but I am enjoying the displays
Probably with the right ideas and the right graphs/charts display, a portfolio of types could be produced... However, i'll not get carried away just yet. I suppose I just didn't realize this could be quite so exciting
I wondered why my bank account has gained it's first billion but then I saw LIE typing.
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@Viktor superb! That sounds good. You're with Tallmo there with the DCNH Dominant for me (heh), how so?
@strangeling Make yer column smaller before you get yelled at like me