Am I LSI or SLE-Ti

[Prince Andrei]

Hi All

I've always assumed I've been LSI as I've always related to the description but lately I've wondered if actually I'm SLE-Ti. What's prompted the reconsideration is that I've met an IEI male and the connection is just so great that it feels like duality (I know if I'm LSI the connection is activity which is also a very favourable relation). He's 18 and I'm 32 so the connection has to be very good to withstand that difference. And he feels it as strongly as I do.

So the question I have is how do I tell if I'm LSI or SLE-Ti subtype?

Cheers

[Number 9 large]

extravert or introvert?
ij temperament or ep temperament?
causal deterministic thinking or holographic panoramic?
ne polr or fi polr?
fi role or ne role?
ti lead or creative?
positivist or negativist?

[Myst]

Hi All

I've always assumed I've been LSI as I've always related to the description but lately I've wondered if actually I'm SLE-Ti. What's prompted the reconsideration is that I've met an IEI male and the connection is just so great that it feels like duality (I know if I'm LSI the connection is activity which is also a very favourable relation). He's 18 and I'm 32 so the connection has to be very good to withstand that difference. And he feels it as strongly as I do.

So the question I have is how do I tell if I'm LSI or SLE-Ti subtype?

Cheers

Yeah, with a more energetic version of IEI-Fe (DCNH D?), you could feel that way even if LSI. I've had that experience. Also, Activity partnes often notice each other and strike up a connection way faster than Duals. So yes based on what you are saying, you are probably LSI and not SLE.

The real differences compared to EIE only come out when you have the opportunity to compare this experience in depth to experience with your actual duals. For me personally, the stubbornness of leading Ni was a dealbreaker more than once with IEIs. And I'm sure some of them view my leading Ti as too stubborn too.

And that then shows you a way to tell your type, whether LSI-Se or SLE-Ti... SLEs are flexible with their logical explanations and that fits IEIs better in the long run. Also, SLE can more easily put great unfettered energy into Se momentum, this hardly happens with LSI - the Se approach is almost always directed at least a bit by the Ti reason and is a bit constricted-channeled by it. This difference is sometimes more subtle but it's there nonetheless.

So, that stubbornness I find can be a problem, also extraverted energy is limited with this pairing and after a while you two will run out of it, even though sure, periodically it will continue to come back. Overall though, IEI can work for a long term relationship if all other circumstances are favourable and both parties understand the differences in each other's approaches that will come out more over time. This requires some extra self-awareness and willingness to compromise too, IMO. But this is certainly doable.

I personally have not been successful with a romantic relationship for long with any IEI yet, though, despite several attempts. Friendship has worked okay more often than not (not always). I'm not sure why the attempts at romantic relationship all died within a relatively short time. Save for one but that died too when it started to become more serious. But the circumstances were not very favourable for it. My theory overall is that this has something to do with Fe from my side vs Se seeking from the IEI's side, with what I said above about limited extraverted energy available to stimulate the other party's dual seeking function (and the creative function too, in a sense). Maybe more of a problem if sx-first.

PS: Wow, and I just noticed the age difference. How long have you two been together? I once went out with an IEI-Fe who was 20 when I was 28. It was great initially and then I dumped him a month later... I hope you two work out better, but still wow.

extravert or introvert?
ij temperament or ep temperament?
causal deterministic thinking or holographic panoramic?
ne polr or fi polr?
fi role or ne role?
ti lead or creative?
positivist or negativist?

Trying to identify the C-D / H-P thinking styles and the reinin crap isn't reliable to tell type tbh.

They can actually be tricky to tell apart sometimes. Some LSIs can seem extroverted in they way they exert their presence and can easily be mistaken for SLE. As a general rule LSIs are very direct, organized, stubborn, unflinching in their motives while SLE tends to be a bit more scattered and "all over the place" in the way they talk.

Yeah I get (superficially) mistaken for SLE when I get into my decently adaptable mode, lol. And by some people who've known me more closely IRL because I'm not being very introverted with them.

Subtype can really confound things. LSI-Se can seem pretty Se. The best way to determine introvert or extrovert in my opinion is to determine how socializing affects your energy levels. If you mostly get energized by other people, you're most likely an extrovert. If you have that weird thing where you get tired in public and suddenly feel energized when you get home, you're probably an introvert.

Actually, I don't feel energized when I get home. I just feel normal, as usual. I do feel "ooh I can rest", but I dunno if I'd call that energized per se, lol. By other people, I get energized for a short time initially, it's nice but it's not maintainable.

[Prince Andrei]

Thanks for the response guys.

I'm SLE-Ti. I can tell through the EP temperament in relation to the IP and EJ temperaments. With an EIE friend, we get on really well but the relationship feels more like activity due to rhythms being out of sync. But with the IEI it just feels the little bit better, just right. It is duality, it just is. Which is funny as they say the extroverted person usually overlooks the introverted which is dead right. When I thought I was LSI, I thought hang on my dual isn't too good for me lol. I also find an SLE typing makes SO much more sense with my other friendships. Example a good friend of my often gives me advice and he's my supervisor as an SLE, ESI. An ex becomes a semi-dual which also makes a load of sense.
@Myst, the male IEI is not my lover (well not yet, it would be great to make him so), he's just a great friend. But yes WOW INDEED haha. Funny thing is all my other friends are my own age, this is not me being weird. This is just the power of duality.

[Myst]

Thanks for the response guys.

I'm SLE-Ti. I can tell through the EP temperament in relation to the IP and EJ temperaments. With an EIE friend, we get on really well but the relationship feels more like activity due to rhythms being out of sync. But with the IEI it just feels the little bit better, just right. It is duality, it just is. Which is funny as they say the extroverted person usually overlooks the introverted which is dead right. When I thought I was LSI, I thought hang on my dual isn't too good for me lol. I also find an SLE typing makes SO much more sense with my other friendships. Example a good friend of my often gives me advice and he's my supervisor as an SLE, ESI. An ex becomes a semi-dual which also makes a load of sense.
@Myst, the male IEI is not my lover (well not yet, it would be great to make him so), he's just a great friend. But yes WOW INDEED haha. Funny thing is all my other friends are my own age, this is not me being weird. This is just the power of duality.

Np. Can you say more on what is it like in practice with the EIE where it feels like "rhythms being out of sync"? Because the way you put it is really abstract and I'd like to know what you were thinking of with that phrasing.

I think with IEIs I never directly noticed feeling out of sync but I noticed the effects of it I guess, after a while. E.g. the stuff I wrote about above. Their plans and my plans being too parallel to each other, not getting discussed directly enough, etc. Same for logical reasonings of each party's. And the extraverted energy running out (temporarily) after a while also means we'd just exist parallel to each other with the IEI instead of fully interactive sync.

I do notice the IEIs easily, I definitely don't overlook them. Otoh I don't notice the EIEs unless they are obvious enough with their emotional stuff, I guess?! I'm not sure. How did you manage to notice your IEI in the end?

[Prince Andrei]

I probably won't do the feeling justice with words, but I'll try.

I have an ex-boss who is EIE and has been the best boss I've ever had. We got on very well. But he had a capacity to work tirelessly consistently, like task task task then crash, whereas I could concentrate heavily for a task at a time but would then need a break, sort of more flexible and unplanned rhythm with explosive bursts. And when my ex-boss was speaking to a group he came across occasionally as slightly too formal in my opinion, whereas I prefer a more relaxed style.

But I know what you mean about feeling 'parallel' with your activity partner. If I spend 4+ hours with my boss in the same room, I get this feeling.

I had a similar experience with the sister of the IEI friend who is actually EIE as well. She has such widely alternating moods that have a genuineness that astounds. She definitely has a 'strong' personality. Though with her the facebook messenger conversations felt forced, like the rhythms would be heavy teasing and have a formality that gave the interactions an air of falseness about them (though they weren't actually false).

Whereas with the facebook messenger conversations with the IEI he sort of intuitively sensed my playful antics and jokes and could keep and 'feel' the rhythm. Sort of go with the flow. It felt much easier and he responded more as I expected he would.

Hope this makes sense? Happy to explain more if it doesn't?

[Ave]

Trying to identify the C-D / H-P thinking styles and the reinin crap isn't reliable to tell type tbh.

Well if you've got it narrowed down to a few types and you're certain enough about certain Reinin traits in yourself it can work, all you need is 3-4 and not the whole list. Since the OP is sure about beta ST, perhaps identifying even one or two Reinins that stand out can help them to decide which Beta ST they are.

I agree though, Gulenko's thinking styles are usually not reliable for self-typing.

[Myst]

Well if you've got it narrowed down to a few types and you're certain enough about certain Reinin traits in yourself it can work, all you need is 3-4 and not the whole list. Since the OP is sure about beta ST, perhaps identifying even one or two Reinins that stand out can help them to decide which Beta ST they are.

I agree though, Gulenko's thinking styles are usually not reliable for self-typing.

Better to see the whole picture of type... I find Reinin is subject to bias of interpretation too much.

[Muddy]

They can actually be tricky to tell apart sometimes. Some LSIs can seem extroverted in they way they exert their presence and can easily be mistaken for SLE. As a general rule LSIs are very direct, organized, stubborn, unflinching in their motives while SLE tends to be a bit more scattered and "all over the place" in the way they talk.

[Aramas]

They can actually be tricky to tell apart sometimes. Some LSIs can seem extroverted in they way they exert their presence and can easily be mistaken for SLE. As a general rule LSIs are very direct, organized, stubborn, unflinching in their motives while SLE tends to be a bit more scattered and "all over the place" in the way they talk.

Subtype can really confound things. LSI-Se can seem pretty Se. The best way to determine introvert or extrovert in my opinion is to determine how socializing affects your energy levels. If you mostly get energized by other people, you're most likely an extrovert. If you have that weird thing where you get tired in public and suddenly feel energized when you get home, you're probably an introvert.

[Computer Loser]

if you're introverted, LSI.

if you're extraverted, SLE

[Myst]

if you're introverted, LSI.

if you're extraverted, SLE

Yeah just OP as SLE-Ti apparently got socially introverted behaviour. And I don't feel all that introverted compared to him. For ambiverts in general, this isn't going to work too well to decide type.

[Prince Andrei]

One thing more I forgot to add that I don't know how LSIs feel about - when I'm on a train or bus I find it hard to concentrate on a novel, I find I can read newspaper or magazine articles of a reasonable length - but nothing too long. I just find in that environment I'm too sensory aware to concentrate. Hope this helps.

[Myst]

It's quite funny, it really depends on the work. Sometimes I can handle it quite well, especially if there's an impending deadline. But funnily enough when doing some work that I found very tedious occasionally while doing it every 5 or 10 mins or so I used to groan or sigh loudly and my EIE ex boss found it quite funny. Some others accused me of being dramatic. I think it was the lack of dynamic changes that bothered me and it's tedious detailed nature.

But that's a paradox of SLE as they have exceptionally good attention to detail but they have a volitional nature being Se leading so that for extended periods or if matters are too dry or removed from the 'real world' it becomes much harder.

Interesting. I don't think I ever explicitly feel detail-oriented work to be tedious or too dry, let alone removed from the "real world", hmm. I'd have found your stuff funny though.

And yeah, I also have a sort of paradox with one side of me being detail-oriented and the other side being more "big picture" action-oriented (not N big picture). But I don't think I have that kind of conflict with it that you do.

One thing more I forgot to add that I don't know how LSIs feel about - when I'm on a train or bus I find it hard to concentrate on a novel, I find I can read newspaper or magazine articles of a reasonable length - but nothing too long. I just find in that environment I'm too sensory aware to concentrate. Hope this helps.

Interesting tidbit. I can concentrate anywhere really if I want to. I guess even if I don't try to. The only little issue I can have sometimes is trying to decide if I want to read the novel or if I want to look out the window. I like both equally. But I think I just go by instinct... whichever activity I feel like doing more at the moment, I'll start on that and will do it for a while.

[Satan]

One thing more I forgot to add that I don't know how LSIs feel about - when I'm on a train or bus I find it hard to concentrate on a novel, I find I can read newspaper or magazine articles of a reasonable length - but nothing too long. I just find in that environment I'm too sensory aware to concentrate. Hope this helps.

i can't either i prefer to drive though.

[Prince Andrei]

Not LSI or SLE, but this sounds so foreign to me, I live in my head.

I don't notice the sights or sensations around me, and can easily tune my surroundings out without thinking (paying attention to my surroundings is actually difficult). If I were on a train or out in public someone could practically be looking down my shirt in a super obvious way and I would not notice... has happened to me before a few times.

Yeah the IEI I knew who served me groceries would always seem spaced out, I always spotted him first, but once I said hello, in a second you could see him come back to reality and his pupils would enlarge for a nanosecond and it was like an energy emanating all around him suddenly came back in him and was focused on you.

[Myst]

an energy emanating all around him

O_o I just see IEIs as looking in some distance (or inside themselves) mysteriously, what energy is this

[Prince Andrei]

O_o I just see IEIs as looking in some distance (or inside themselves) mysteriously, what energy is this

Nymph or Tinkerbell fairy energy, something highly poetic that's for sure!!