I haven't typed Beehoven. I have no idea about his type. I focused exclusively on what function, what information is used for that specific purpose. Fe type makes sense to me, though.
You can't deduce *the type* just from that, it must normally exist in the Ego, though something else is used in different conditions. In Beethoven's case - assuming I understood his procedure correctly and it is Fe that is used for validating the work - what I can be sure of is that he is not (Gamma or Delta) Irrational.
I agree. Note that you and noid were arguing what function is used for that, I gave you my answer, it is IMO incorrect to believe it was Ni or Te that was used.
Hmm I said I'm sure of Extroverted + Internal (Ne, Fe), I explained why, not Dynamic. But there are two main reasons why I consider Ne incorrect:
1. A Dynamic procedure determines how something works at a given time or in a given configuration. Dynamic judgments differ from the Static ones in respect to persistence: there's no difference in common language, it can only be determined from the general view of a person, for instance when you say "this is good", it has 2 meanings:
- this is good right now, it works, I like it, it is useful;
- this is good in itself, analytically, it has the right properties, it will always be good.
Therefore, it is unlikely for Beethoven's procedure to be Static, since from what we know it is apparent that the ends he was using were merely what worked, instead of say "they are made for one another" based on some principle or some other obvious reason. Note two things:
- as well observed by you, a complete jugment requires a full mental block (Introverted + Extroverted), but blocks are always fully Dynamic or fully Static. Static and Dynamic functions don't work together and it is common-sense: you can't decide on the persistent qualities of something based on contingent observations, and the other way around. This is basically the second rule for forming blocks, this is why we have only 16 types based on the 8 IEs.
- the Super-Id and Id are necessarily accepted, although subconsciously. It is impossible to deny them based on the Ego, they are always there, assumed. Static elements can't be used but to determine the intrinsic qualities, not how they work. Square cross-section beams are fit for square cross-section holes, whether and how you can use those beams with round holes is totally irrelevant in respect to Static functions/blocks.
2. Ne is an Irrational function, it is normally not used for validation. Irrational functions are used mainly for orientation, they provide insights for what way to go, they are used for decisions in urgent situations, but rarely for perfecting something. They don't form attachments either, as far as I can tell.
Other functions can be used for composing, in the case of SLIs it is almost sure it is not Super-Ego, but Super-Id. You misunderstood my statements, it is not necessary to be Dynamic to compose, but Internal. I personally don't know any SLI composer and in fact a SLI I know who wanted to make music like other friends told me something along the lines of "I can't, how can I make something out of nothing? I would like only to perform". But anyway, it is possible to compose through static elements, in fact that's always used more or less, it's musical structure, musical style, etc.
I don't know about Sibelius, but if he is truly SLI I suspect he was doing familiar, "correct" music, precisely how folk follows the rules of previous compositions OR the other way around, creating something "personal", but the themes and tunes must have some inner relationships between them and the music. I can't give you musical examples, but I can give you examples from literature: JRR Tolkien and Terry Pratchett - ultimate examples of Fi in art. They both use familiar, traditional, historical elements combined together in an original manner - conservative fantasy, so to speak. The Fi-valuing exploration goes for more and more humanist elements in more and more fancy combinations, while the Fe goes for "something else", more spontaneous and immediately satisfactory. BTW, here's another difference: Serious types struggle to keep and gather what is good, Merry types to get rid of and replace what is bad, you can observe that in the opposite utopias presented by the Aristocratic, Beta (idealized, "upgraded" roots/ancients to satisfy us) and Delta (authentic roots transposed in different times/conditions - nowdays).
Because different functions paired together work differently and people use the Ego to do anything except for something where it can't apply. People try to use their Ego at anything, but depending on their type and the matter as stake, here's an example:
- a Logical type will extensively use Id where Logic is required, for example a Ti scientist will use extensive testing and statistics, although his main purpose is to confirm somethng or create some rules. Although this testing is temporary and not intended to be complete - it is impossible to know everything, too - it is used to form universal concepts.
- a Logical type will use Super-Ego or Super-Id for ethical matters, this is pretty easy: a Rational uses Super-Ego Role, DS is something one can't provide to himself - but this Role is temporary and uncomfortable, fake; an Irrational will use Super-Id HA, the PoLR is felt impossbile to be used - but this HA requires support/feedback from others.
So again, to be able to tell what function is used in a certain situation, you also need to consider what information is required to be used. One can't talk usually about Logic or Sensing when it comes to active insights into beliefs, tastes, inspiration or the unknown - and the vice-verse.
I could buy into these types for Beethoven: ESE, EIE > IEI, SEI > ILE, SLE > EIE, LSE > anything else. Logical Introvert is very unlikely, IMO, he was very impulsive, moody and angry. I recall he angrily scratched Napoleon's name off one of his works, how the hell man, as a Logical type, how can you do something else out of something, just by clapping your hands? No explanation, nothing, just pure irritation. I could see an LXI doing something similar, like "this is not what it was meant to represent", though not so over the top. He saw Napoleon as an immortal just to suddenly few minutes later after hearing the news to declare him mere mortal? Let's be serious... he had a very fiery, inconsistent and capricious temperament for a Logical Introvert, IMO.