Are you a leftist or a rightist?

[Raver]

I don't understand how there can be multiple variations(right or left) of libertarian. You are either a proponent of self-governance or you aren't. Liberalism and socialism require government to work, there's no real way around that fact. It's like the Noam Chomsky's of the world decided "Hey I like that word, I'm going to hijack it and start using it too". The term left-libertarianism or libertarian socialism are literally oxymorons.

I have the same issues with the term left libertarian as I have with anarcho communism. If there is no state, who is going to stop me from printing my own currency? If there is no state who is going to make me give up my earnings to be redistributed to equally? Who is going to regulate the means of production? Socialism will always require a strong central authority to regulate the means of production. There is nothing remotely libertarian about socialism.

Though, perhaps what people on here are trying to say is that people should have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as it both doesn't affect other people and also doesn't involve anything of value.

You can be a left leaning or right leaning libertarian. It is pretty simple, a left leaning libertarian wants a small government, but with slightly more control over economics rather than social issues. A right leaning libertarian is vice versa. Contrast that to a left leaning authoritarian aka Democrat wanting a big government, but with slightly less control over social issues.

A right leaning authoritarian is vice versa. In the end, this is just slight differences. If you want to say that libertarians are mostly the same and just vary slightly on economic and social issues then that works too. It could apply to authoritarians aka the traditional two party system in a sense as well. In the end, Democrats and Republicans don't have dramatic differences IMO.

[Hitta]

You can be a left leaning or right leaning libertarian. It is pretty simple, a left leaning libertarian wants a small government, but with slightly more control over economics rather than social issues. A right leaning libertarian is vice versa. Contrast that to a left leaning authoritarian aka Democrat wanting a big government, but with slightly less control over social issues.

A right leaning authoritarian is vice versa. In the end, this is just slight differences. If you want to say that libertarians are mostly the same and just vary slightly on economic and social issues then that works too. It could apply to authoritarians aka the traditional two party system in a sense as well. In the end, Democrats and Republicans don't have dramatic differences IMO.

What you're saying with right and left leaning libertarian is far different though than the way people like Noam Chomsky use it. They think that you can have a form of socialism that fits under the umbrella of libertarianism and to me that just makes no sense.

[Spermatozoa]

What you're saying with right and left leaning libertarian is far different though than the way people like Noam Chomsky use it. They think that you can have a form of socialism that fits under the umbrella of libertarianism and to me that just makes no sense.

Liberty is concerned with negative rights ("freedom from"). A libertarian society is only possible if we exercise restraint in our personal lives, and this is often overlooked, especially by the so-called "left-libertarians". Therefore some objective morality (from religious and ethnic identity) is necessary, not only as a check on state power, but also to prevent people from becoming too indulgent, dependent and weak.

People must understand that they have agency. Ultimately, you will determine your own success or failure. Nobody has a right to take things which don't belong to them already (theft) or to perform actions that would injure either an individual (violence, coercion) or the nation they're a member of (treason), either now or in the future. Only then will freedom begin to grow again.