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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    It's possible to use the polr as long as you are with close friends who dont judge you, (then it acts kindof like a second creative function) but in a work setting it becomes obvious that you are too weak in this area, so it may embarrass you.
    PoLR never becomes like a second creative function. More likely, the Ignoring is gonna be that. Your PoLR is too weak to ever resemble the Creative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    PoLR never becomes like a second creative function. More likely, the Ignoring is gonna be that. Your PoLR is too weak to ever resemble the Creative.
    well I disagree with that. It's functioning resembles the creative. It is weak, but it is not as nonexistent as some people want to believe. It can actually be spontaneous and "creative" and that is a problem because in a social setting everybody can see that you are not so good at it.

    I have observed this alot in myself, but also in ESIs when using Ne, or in LIEs when using Si etc. It's too unreflected, unadapted and weak.

    But the labelling "second creative" I actually got from some Russian site. It's some kind of socionics saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    well I disagree with that. It's functioning resembles the creative. It is weak, but it is not as nonexistent as some people want to believe. It can actually be spontaneous and "creative" and that is a problem because in a social setting everybody can see that you are not so good at it.

    I have observed this alot in myself, but also in ESIs when using Ne, or in LIEs when using Si etc. It's too unreflected, unadapted and weak.

    But the labelling "second creative" I actually got from some Russian site. It's some kind of socionics saying.
    I'd appreciate it if you could share that site. Because this is the first time I have heard of it, and it still doesn't make much sense to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    I'd appreciate it if you could share that site. Because this is the first time I have heard of it, and it still doesn't make much sense to me...
    There used to be really good information on the PoLR at en.socionics.ru but I think the site has disappeared. I read it several years ago.

    I remember they said something like the PoLR is the tipping point between action and in-action, and that there is this conflict between on one hand producing information and on the other hand being too weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    PoLR never becomes like a second creative function. More likely, the Ignoring is gonna be that. Your PoLR is too weak to ever resemble the Creative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    well I disagree with that. It's functioning resembles the creative. It is weak, but it is not as nonexistent as some people want to believe. It can actually be spontaneous and "creative" and that is a problem because in a social setting everybody can see that you are not so good at it.

    I have observed this alot in myself, but also in ESIs when using Ne, or in LIEs when using Si etc. It's too unreflected, unadapted and weak.

    But the labelling "second creative" I actually got from some Russian site. It's some kind of socionics saying.
    It makes sense if you think about how the PoLR is supposed to be repressed due to the activity of the creative. According to Jung, the absence of usage of creative means there is room for PoLR to be used.

    I would agree with Tallmo since people can easily be mistaken for their Kindred type, and many times people don’t notice people’s everyday mistakes with PoLR if they aren’t been looked for, due to the ability to cover it up with HA usage.

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