You are IEI when you think that types are not important as you may dream yourself as a dual or a unicorn.
Do not underestimate types to use weak functionsOriginally Posted by Olimpia
T types may study ethical skills like F types may study the math and technics.
Last edited by Sol; 07-10-2018 at 07:15 PM.
That's rather Delta NF. Unvalued Ti (dislike for type boxes) and Ne ego (coming up with random unicorn stuff).
Ne is about objective, including personal traits. It's Ni about something "own" and fantasy dreamworlds without limts ( including with unicorns ). Base Ni = the most strange, speculative and mystic perception of the world.
With also weak and nonvalued Te - facts of the reality matter not much (hence easier to ignore the degree a type version contradicts to the experience), while valued Ti predisposes to categorizations but speculative.
Such IEI may to have the most inclination to assign themselves random types. The example is niffer who dreams herself as own dual.
With nonvalued Ti people are inclined to do not assign random "boxes", but just lesser to use the typology. But if they use, - they care more about Te facts.
What you described would fit EII-Ne much better. They also have strong Ni but don't value Ti boxing. IEI has and values -Ti, black and white logic. They like boxes. Ni lead is speculative, but there is still the valuing of Se and Ti in the background, which EII doesn't have. Also, the IEI-Ni has boosted Ti so they will be more inclined to putting things into boxes. EII can arguably be way more speculative if they engage in their Intuition. Their speculation is not bound by Ti and Se valuing. Though they do like factual information, that is the bound they may have, but EII has 1D Te, so there won't be much in the way there. Niffer is arguably not even Ti valuing btw.
Assigning themselves random types is something I see mostly Delta NFs doing to themselves, especially those whose Fi is boosted.
Jungian typology is quite Ti, and the kinds of people who have the most issue with it and complain about not wanting to be "put into a box" are usually Ti PoLR followed by weakened Ti Role. (Aka mainly xEE-Fi and sometimes ExI-Fi). Imagining themselves to be unicorns or furries for that matter is almost always a Delta NF + Type 4 thing. Not all 4s are IEI.
@Olimpia: The IEE "don't box me in, man" is more about Ne than Ti, because SEEs don't have the same kinds of issues with it. The IEEs are seeing possibilities beyond/besides the current concrete reality.
Also, 4D Ti doesn't really box things the way you might imagine, because there are more ways to categorize and connect things than simple discreet boxes(you've taken some writing classes, yes? you know how there are rules to follow for "good writing" but actual good writers don't always follow those rules. That's the way it is with 4D functions, you know the rules well enough to go beyond them to the actual essence or meaning behind the rule, if that makes sense. So, being very strict with categorizations and not being able to see how things may not fit those categories or may stretch to multiple ones is often 2D "norms" and lower Ti.)
Last edited by squark; 07-11-2018 at 04:42 PM. Reason: typo
Nah, I have seen the same issue with SEE-Fi people.
*cough* idontgiveaf *cough*
Besides that, a couple of IEEs I have personally talked to were somewhat more open to "boxing in" (usually those who were Ne subtype or no subtype). I am guessing it is the connect on -Ti. Their Dual SLI is -Ti Dem. -Ti is more black and white logic, whereas +Ti is more permissible in certain ways. +Ti considers the exceptions to the rule much more often than -Ti does. -Ti is categorical and the stereotypical definition of Ti lead. Which is somewhat ironic, considering that LSI are +Ti lead.
But anyway, based on cognition style and unconscious "dual expectations", it seems like IEEs *can* be more okay with categorical "boxes" sometimes, due to their Dual being that way at times.
Sigh. "My personal experience" is not really a good argument. It assumes too many things, beginning with you typing the people correctly. Anyway, Ne is about seeing other possibilities beyond what is currently in front of you which is why it applies there. . .
Sampling Bias. You are sampling immature, i.e. not actualized, IEEs. NeFe is about creating a moral framework (Fi) based on virtual reality (Ne), and the word virtual comes from virtues, which are imaginary traits that people so to make ethical decisions. Hence FiNe is virtual ethics. A mature NeFi person will be categorizing everyone based on how virtuous they are. In contrast an immature NeFi user will be running away from virtues. I assume most people in western society are not learning the 4 cardinal virtues so it'll be difficult to find good IEEs and EIIs to sample hence the bias you are seeing toward immature users.
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