Two Se leads hanging out is really clueless
Two Se leads hanging out is really clueless
Coz they live in the moment. ;pOriginally Posted by Olimpia
Yes, Socionics is Pseudoscience. Does not mean it is wrong or useless, however.
But if you have a problem with that, you are free to leave... now.
Go ahead and study "scientific" Psychology, then.
But I bet with you, you'll end up missing something.
All IEI hate each other coz territory
1. Learn about the Information Elements and basic dichotomies.
2. Learn about Model A.
3. Learn about +/-, according to Gulenko.
4. Learn about the Romance Styles.
5. Learn about the Quadras.
6. Learn about the Intertype relations.
i think its fair to say the popular conception of IEI is a little over idealized
or at least its well represented by people unaware of, or unwilling to concede, their own weaknesses in the grand scheme
I guess the question is: would IEI recognize "good-looking" when they encounter it... or is their mo more to redefine it according to their own needs
there's really nothing wrong with the latter, its just what makes them intuitive over sensing, which is to say they make it their job to define fashionable going forward, not looking back
this might get them made fun of in the present, but they're probably more fashion forward, which if it catches on goes from being ridiculous to being genius
If the people are also recognised by several hundreds/thousands other people as attractive/good looking and they seek them out for fashion/beauty advice.. then yeah objectively these people are doing something right. But just my two cents.
To avoid loops... you need a balanced perspective.
If introverted, get out of your head and be around people more. Listen to what they say. Don't tune them out or you will be oblivious. It will give you a broader perspective.
If extroverted, take a break now and then, focus on yourself, introspect, listen to the voice within or you will be clueless. It will give you a deeper perspective.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
that's an empty if then construction. "if [what I define as desirable happens] then [I've done something right according to my own metric]" duh. before us is this exact fact in question: "do people, in fact, recognize IEI as good looking?" you simply assert, "yes." which is fine, but could alternatively be explained by IEI overrating themselves. especially if you took a survey and it was constituted mainly by IEI or IEI-wannabes, which is many typology echo chambers, and probably the source of a lot of self-inflation. you guys need SLE
Don't take relationship advice from a socionist unless they have been happily married for over a decade
(aka never)
If you think certain types are out to get you or are automatically your alley, you should not have learned socionics.
Last edited by Lao Tzunami; 10-23-2017 at 12:25 AM.
The pizza guy's type has absolutely no relevance to you, all that matters is if he did his job. On the scale of pizza guy to married with kids, most people you know are on the side of the pizza guy.
All dual pairs who meet online and decide to make a video series together about socionics are short lived. I'd give them a month at best.
I'm out to get certain types
lol, if you can identify themI'm out to get certain types
I'm always sure to make a quick VI assessment before rattling off my 2 sentence window I get with the pizza guy so as to make the most of it. I consider it a personal test. they're mainly here to provide the material
true, sometimes I accidentally cause people to fall in love with me when I meant to burn them. or maybe its duality! ITR is a real funhouse sometimes
Be extremely suspicious of people who think they've typed everyone but don't know their own type.
Doctors don't learn anatomy from artwork and socionist don't learn how to type people from fictional characters.
If you don't know how to apply socionics personally (with the rare exception one of your friends is really good and will help you) it is useless to you. If you are new and are learning socionics, the only right way to test it is to try it out and see if it work for you.
We probably know 1% of all insights possible through the lens of socionics. Keep that in mind when people are treating the intertype relations deterministically.
If you really know someone's type, then you can find a good reason why they cannot be each of the other 15. If not, you are just guessing
Last edited by Lao Tzunami; 10-23-2017 at 01:13 AM.
There is a good chance that Fi types will be ultimately be disappointed in socionics, if they get into it at all. This doesn't make socionics bad, only that it still holds the original imprint of the ILEs who made it.
Don't be surprised that people regularly disagree on the type of celebrities, people whose job is to craft the perfect persona, often with the help of an entire team. Do be surprised that people think they can type celebrities after 20 minute of internet research.
Last edited by Lao Tzunami; 10-23-2017 at 12:56 AM.
Average typing match in IRL interview was <20% in SRT-99 experiment. Typing of bloggers gave 15-20% average too. Typing by special typing ankets - same or worse. It's methods and skills problem mostly.
> Do be surprised that people think they can type celebrities after 20 minute of internet research.
Type anyone. Generally I type people IRL during 10 min. Sometimes it takes seconds. I may know those people better but never change the opinion after this in most cases, when I'm sure in the type. Such is your nonverbal - it has a lot to type you, and the typer gets all rather quickly. What should not be used - interviews' texts of famouses, too much of self-control people have in public talking.
As there are no objectively proved methods and skills of good accuracy in typing, - there is only speculative guessing.
Most "duals" which I saw were not duals.
Also to be a long pair needs love, not only to be duals. There are many duals, - you may choose someone among them, and then you _need_ to love him. Such you'll get long and not bad pair, mb good pair.
Socionics is a great tool, but if you feel trapped by the theory, learn other perspectives on psychology and philosophy to put it in its place. And remember, at the end of the day, all of this is just a description of the real thing, not the real thing itself. Paradoxes only exist in words, not reality.
Last edited by Lao Tzunami; 10-23-2017 at 07:22 AM.
yes; I would say enlightenment is rejecting socionics only after mastering it, to reject it prior to understanding and claim victory is self-deception. no one says you have to try, but to discount the theory for not seeing the value in the effort is blindness not the superior vision it often purports itself to be.. in other words, even if socionics is ultimately "not true" by some definition, the process whereby you come to that realization has value because you develop tools, like you said, to better understand people (and oneself)... such that characterizing it as a waste of time or foolishness is mere projection because in such a case where it truly is a waste it only speaks to one's inability to develop those tools or recognize their value
Last edited by Bertrand; 10-23-2017 at 02:21 AM.
Don't project you anima/animus onto someone just because you think they are your dual
i, for one, an am equal opportunity projector
exhibit b) socrates
If Fi types are disappointed in socionics because ILE made it, they should really double down on it as useful (Te), since thats proof of concept
It seems like Socionists will soon be turning into Luddites of the world, stubbornly holding onto their pre-historic theories.
As psychoanalytic psychology (i.e. Jung and Socionics) got replaced by cognitive psychology, it seems like even cognitive psychology will soon be replaced by neuroscience. Government funding are shifting to more "hard" science of neuroscience. Maybe as research and development of neuroscience advances, it will be simplified in the future and may even be taught in high school, like biology.
I'd say EJECT while you can! Eject from this sinking ship before it's too late.
If someone speaks from a position of authority in a "Socionics for Dummies" thread, they're probably an IEI.Socionics for Dummies
Yep, that's the game.
See?? There you go again.No, not necessarily.
Step 1: Learn about the Information Elements.
Every Socionics Padawan should read and (more or less) internalize/memorize the contents of this page and what is related to it.
The foundation of the types are the IEs. If you do not understand them, you won't get too far (or you'll simply mistype too many people, including yourself.)
For Sx people, everywhere is a partner seeking place.
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