Random people of certain types you met recently or earlier

[Bertrand]

Yes, I agree. We as a group thought so, too. There was nothing wrong with his intentions. His actions and his behavior however were negative. He was just a pain to work with. He'll learn from the experience. Besides he's in a new group now and it works a lot better for him, which is nice for everyone imo.

I love how its like taken for granted he was wrong, and you say he'll learn from the experience, when as far as I can tell he was right and the lesson is not to fuck around with you guys and instead always work with those other guys. if he was actually contributing to a disproportionately higher degree he's probably going to learn he can do so for them and inasmuch as they don't totally ignore him that's an improvement justifying the change. maybe hell even work harder for them. and that team benefits from whatever knowledge he brings. at no point have you seemingly considered you could be wrong and the fact he's better off elsewhere proves that, unless this other group is identical and its a lie it works better for him, or worse in a way that just happens to suit him. its like you never considered his point at all, and further, never considered this makes your team the bad guys in all of this. your strategy was to minimize having to make any sort of changes at all, and if the set point was unfair toward a person you considered it best for them to devise their own solution. that this means he leaves and you're deprived of his ability to think, which apparently isn't calibrated to be maximally lazy and uncreative and conforming to the point of self harm, and your team has their peace but fundamentally still has the same problem which is that ya'll are a bunch of fuckers no one wants to be around if they can help it, because the dynamic is stupid as hell. you guys are literally the rejects and huddled together telling yourself it was this other guys problem, the solution seems to be to stamp down any qualities then that protrude, if for no other reason that your team is the cast off of humanity and so any qualities that protrude are by definition the bad ones. this kind of leveling then makes sense, but only in a kind of kafkaeseque nightmare where stripping oneself of humanity is an improvement on the base material. a way to rejigger the machine to make self harm a net gain. if you ever wonder why people react hostilely to this sort of behavior refer to this post. its because you lack a concept of why things happen and think only of yourself, despite your misleading language usage. he was probably looking at you like you had a dick on your forehead the whole time. the only well wishers you attract with this autism and naivety are low-value sheisters who see in this an opening and offer their "understanding" so they can essentially barter the peace of mind it conveys you for favors down the line. the fact this entire thing is a race to the bottom is something anyone with half a brain puts as much distance between themselves and it as they can. so when we say "its nice for everyone" you're not wrong, but it means you're left with the people who can only sell eachother the same second hand goods back and forth forever, running off an illusory currency, and never create anything of genuine value. in essence you provide the low side of the hierarchy which gives context to everyone who isn't so dull, and in that sense it is "nice for everyone." i.e.: the kind of shit people get away from as soon as they have the merit and or power that allows them to do so