Random people of certain types you met recently or earlier

[Sol]

EII woman ~30 y.o. Nice but... Is there is a sickness which creates the weird smell from the mouth, besides related to bad ill teeth and gum? It's all rather young people to have significant problems with it. Or they do not use a toothpaste? Mb due to bad meal and the lack of vitamins?
She've come to me and asked the help. She could not take the shopping trolley - the process needed to insert a coin and to press it a little to disconnect the trolley from other ones. Seems she never met such approaches in shops. Also the example when N types are sometimes like kids in material things. Near was a "special" worker who've come and interupted by moving to help you.
In relations with S type man her health issue would be fixed most probably.

[idontgiveaf]

An LII is the CEO? That's kind of amazing. Are you sure he's not ILI? I don't see many ILI's who run companies, but I've never seen an LII running a company.

Yes dude. He's definitely an LII. it's possible bro. I think it would actually fuck up if he will do it alone.

Okay our company and workplace situation is actually damn hilarious or funny i think.

My boss or our Ceo is an LII. Well with Ti leads, they have this kind of autistic aura sometimes that you think they're mad at you but they're just on their heads.. He's actually very nice and he always smile and his NE is obvious too. Ne has this sort of enthusiasm and passion in learning new things.

Our company has new project, so we used new technologies which all of us developers are unfamiliar with. But these technologies are actually reviewed very well as it's the technologies that are used by Facebook, instagram, etc..

I have these team composition :
Female ILI 29yo. Well, my LII boss actually trusts this girl, she's our team lead, and she's already been in the company for 3 and a half years. (i actually stalked her on social media, to know her personal details better, tehe. Because she's not the talkative type..she will just speak when you ask her something and she doesn't have these initiative to things like telling us what should we do, like a team lead should be doing. She has this snob aura, like she's actually not the approachable type.. Yet she has this Fi smile and Fi charm that she always uses.. Her Fi smile looks like a cute innocent girl that will really captivate you and make us forgive her for being a bitch.. 🤣 i think her Fi smile doesn't work with some but if you're weak, she will entrap you with her Fi smile. So basically she mostly do the project structure, probably a Te valuer would do.. But the concept is there. But the project is not yet working and we're expecting for details in the project specification wise which she cannot give..

She always tell me to ask the LII boss whenever i encounter technological errors. Because Ti leads are good at that..
But LII has this Ne,🤣 he doesn't even have project structure and management so the LII entrusts every thing to ILI team lead. the LII ceo/cto is actually around 40's..

Another team mate: Lie. This LiE is new as me...she's in her 40s as well. Same age with LII. But you'll see the differences.. LiI even if he's already on his 40s, still look and act like younger than his age that he seemingly prefer younger people than older ones.. But ofcourse he doesn't seem have any problems with socialization and he's a healthy normal type.
Okay LIE female on her 40s.. Well, she actually was very kind of has this bossy vibes, but she's not... Like her Te is obvious you know.. But, we kind of get along well and we see how fucked up our project is, that we have these team lead who doesn't take Any initiative and our LII boss who have into his head sometimes 😂 like.. We talked yesterday how, we are actually planning for project structure.. I can actually understand her, and in favor of what her plans are.. Because Te doms and entj in particular are actually good at project planning and structuring.. I think she is a better team lead tbh.. 🤣 she's so frustrated with LII who is very passive and just talks only if asked. And when asked, she doesn't explain that much.. 😂😂
And when asked with LIi, instead of saying the solution the LII would, say, we should implement these new technology, do you know this??? 🤣🤣🤣 like the LIE wants to solve a particular problem: project structure yet these LII, and ILI can not provide the solution.. And has different approach on solving things which makes us feel stucked.. Because we're expecting for every thing to be set..

So we,LIe actually make a good team, like LIE SEES bigger picture of project structuring.. Where she told me how to build the project structure.. And while me, i comcentrated on making the project work.. Like the coding part and running the system.. Because the project provided by the ILI doesn't work.. And we need a running project.. And i was able to run it.

So far, the past few weeks we're stucked on the problem of uncertainty and lack of project plans. And specifications and details of what actually we should do.. Because we tries to depend it on these two team mates which is also, trying to depend on us.. 🤣

But, good thing.. We are left together, LIE because we have made a clear and working plan about the.project..

[Faith]

LII-Ti can be CEOs because they are nerds, especially in Japanese culture.

[Sol]

Seems I met pretty EII today. Some southern ethnicity. I did not saw her before, though she lives in my house entrance (mb rents a flat or her family could bought it or is someone's guest). She's rather young < 30 yo. I should be old in her perception. And the damn money I needed more *sigh*
She said me "hello". I'm with a pleasure said her the same. It took me several seconds to assume EII in her. Not enough time to be sure in the type, but ~60% I'm right.
Southern ethnicity girls often strictly follow to what men of their family decide. So the lack of money mb the hard obstacle to get such girls. And there is traditional requirement to pay significant money for the marriage - the other possible problem.
She looked so nice, polite and cute. Thinner figure than I generally prefer. She had closed dress to understand how pretty her figure is. But I liked her, anyway. I was attracted to ESI in the last times. EII are softer and wiser in the same time. They are better and easier for me. Mb the destiny reminds me about alternatives which mb better than some ESI girls in my mind now.
Semi-duals are definetely excellent partners and wifes, - they give emotions similar to duals. But they need more efforts to adopt and lack of some wisdom, some lack of understanding which they compensate by stubbornness, they more care about nonvalued functions. I miss about strong Ne in them and Se some irritates me, gives me the impression of surfaceness in them.

Much of our choices relates on the destiny, accidental. It would be good to get semidual girl. Dual one would be just better, in some questions significantly.
I need to think about this sign. Probably I've moved to some way and came the time to point me where I go. It was not the 1st precaution about my intentions.

[Sol]

another ESI woman seller in a shop. now of clothes one
~35 yo. looks nice. sexy. not fatty, but has a slighly increased fat on the abdomen - probably after the borning of children
smiled me good. checked whether did I mistaken in the chosen products by the size (I bought in different sizes)
most probably is married
I'd wished to see EII there or at least a younger one
I had an idea to ask her about marriage status. ESI are good women

[Adam Strange]

another ESI woman seller in a shop. now of clothes one
~35 yo. looks nice. sexy. not fatty, but has a slighly increased fat on the abdomen - probably after the borning of children
smiled me good. checked whether did I mistaken in the chosen products by the size (I bought in different sizes)
most probably is married
I'd wished to see EII there or at least a younger one
I had an idea to ask her about marriage status. ESI are good women

Don't married women in Russia wear rings on a particular finger? It's what I look for.

[Sol]

Don't married women in Russia wear rings on a particular finger? It's what I look for.

Married ones here (and in Eastern Christian tradition) may to wear on the right hand, nameless finger - a ring. Muslims, catholics, etc - on the left hand. Many ones do not wear rings. This one seems was without it.

[Sol]

Today I've seen the women of types: LSE, IEI, ILE, LIE
IEI was with a nice figure, good face and of some southern ethnic look with black long hairs, a little larger nosy. ~20 y.o. Dressed in a simple black dress and blue jeans jacket, but this did not hide that the woman is beautiful. Though the height ~1.60 m, I'd prefer it higher. I hope she'll make happy some SLE man.

[Rebelondeck]

There's no link between type and intelligence; and becoming successful from nothing is related more to motivation and dogged determination. Intelligence is linked to the core machine - how many operations per time period and in parallel; type has more to do with the operating system where some configurations are better suited to run certain apps. I've seen so many highly intelligent and educated staff who couldn't do the job for which they were trained, and countless highly competent employees with lower intelligence who wouldn't be able to pass the exam but could easily do the educated people's jobs.

I'm not convinced that duality is ideal for all stages of life or personal situations so I would never advise someone to look for it. I have had some success convincing others to use Socionics to better understand the relationships that they have already established.

a.k.a. I/O

[Sol]

Yesterday I accidentally met the familiar ESE, mb also E-9 what should be the rare match. We had the serious quarrel ~10 years ago related to the common job. So we have noticed each other but did not greet. The last time I saw her in 2010.
She was with a child of ~3 y.o. in a baby carriage and some old woman - mb the mother of the husband or her own. Looked rather tired, what is common for mothers of so young children. As her age is ~45, she borned him at ~42, what is relatively late. It should be not the 1st her child.
Ethnically she's close to turks and seems why has the name rare for Russians. Has very nice 8-shape figure and one of the most pleasant and feminine voices I ever heard. Was dressed rather simply in a T-shirt and long pants. Seems she has an allergy, what would explain the lack of make up at her. I suspect she has a cholecystitis or other chronic inflammation what may predispose to the allergy and other.
She's one of the most irrationally attractive women I ever met. Probably due to high women hormones and pheromones levels. It was hard to concentrate on the working when she was close like <1 m. And when she also talked with me... Sometimes we sat near by the work needs and this inspired emotional state not matching good with the duties. Seems she noticed my attraction and that irritated her, including because she was in "serious" relations, what sometimes expressed in a rude manner. She had not the best logical thinking and the qualification for her duties, was not very honest, was hypocritical and manipulative in my perception. Seems her woman charm helped to her career to some degree.

About our conflict. The work was organised badly and had no adequate planning. Part of the issues were her inappropriate skills for her formal duties. I saw the evident problems and said about them openly, as they strongly related to what should be done by me, besides my leading qualification there. She being F type, have shifted the representing of it to chiefs, our conflict which was in the essence about her duties and how she follows them, to the ethical region. At the end she sabotaged the work, made unreasonable critique of what I did, instigated other workes to open sabotage and to insult me and then she claimed about my rude behavior in the return. Some of those workers had the personal sympathy with one of significant middle bosses, and he have supported them against me without justice and even asking me about what happens. Before her evident sabotage have started, also one of the workers on higher post was rude and unreasonable with me, and I answered to him in his own style. Seems she got the permission and the support of her sabotage from the high, besides the mentioned middle chief (which blind decision against me was later said as the main for the conflict, as he was informal curator). I did nothing wrong or worse than others. It all looked funny and I hoped then to explain to my direct boss what happens. While that boss only have seen the relations with several important workers were harmed, that this creates problems and such did not cared about the justice and was lazy to mess with that as my skills were not so unique - to change me he thought is easier, he even have rejected to hear my opinion about all that, to protect myself. This stupid and lazy approach to the firm's management probably promoted its closing after some years.

I kept the anger to her for rather long time. At now after dealing with other E-9, more with emotional people, more with emotions - I perceive her more calmly. I feel some sorrow how related to her, besides the understanding that was also not smartly to oppose openly and so soon. After some time she'd and others understood the similar to what I said to them, anyway. I only thought that I act according to my duties, and ignored her feelings. She said that had tears because of my criticism, while the only I saw - I say the truth related to my duties and did that in the polite way. She like me just reacted in her natural for F types form - by personal intrigues, she protected by her means. She demanded I excused at her for being rude, while I perceived that only mirrored her own rudeness and insulting style there. I was not right with the lack of attention to her feelings. Also had too high opinion about the reason, responsibility and decency of chiefs, also underestimating the degree their emotions and personal relations influence on this. My mistakes in F region made the both to feel worse and the situation to result worse than could. And being a woman she deserved softer relation to her feelings.

Probably I'd asked her to excuse me, to do not feel the offence on me. I do not want to feel the anger to her too. As I see wider what happened and my guilt. As we are having nothing to conflict now. As she's just nice woman, with own shortcomings as anyone and it's the situation what pushed her to show herself from the bad side.
That was interesting experience and the lesson how to deal better with people to make own duties better, to act better for their own interests and for my interests too.

There's no link between type and intelligence

There is the evident link between strong functions and abbilities related to them.
In today common IQ tests T-N types will have average higher results.

[Rebelondeck]

........
There is the evident link between strong functions and abbilities related to them.
In today common IQ tests T-N types will have average higher results.

Are you referring to an actual scientific study that was conducted across significantly wide populations in different countries? Post the reference please......

a.k.a. I/O

[Guillaine]

A lady came on the tram yesterday, it was crowded she was quite aggressive/odd saying she was a "spastic" so she was going to stand in the "spastic section" (there is a place for prams with a wheelchair printed on the floor) and of course everyone moved out of her way because her energy was so hostile, she looked at me and I didn't look away I was next to her and she insisted it was true and as I didn't judge her she cooled a little.

Then she saw my son and said he was cute and bent down to say hello to her. My son ( SEE -C )looked at her then spat at her. I was of course horrified and tried to apologise but she was delighted saying he's got sass and continued to be fascinated with him and have a conversation. She basically melted with his aggression, which I find interesting because I find all the power games so tedious and tiring and shocking. She had a kind of masculine appearance and energy and is a type I am not 100 per cent sure about. I could guess EIE as I have seen them being enchanted by SEE's before, and she was a victim type I suppose. They had a grand old joke until we got off the tram.

[maniac]

my new boss is E(L?)SE and i feel weird and restricted around her because shes so professional and good at small talking and a functioning person and her mind seems to go so fast in conversation bleh i prefer male bosses at least then i can charm them somewhat with my femininity lol

[chrys]

my new boss is E(L?)SE and i feel weird and restricted around her because shes so professional and good at small talking and a functioning person and her mind seems to go so fast in conversation bleh i prefer male bosses at least then i can charm them somewhat with my femininity lol

Those people are so intimidating and scary to me, way more than any Se dom. Mostly because of their verbal communication being 1000x more detailed than I ever feel comfortable with

[MrsTortilla]

my new boss is E(L?)SE and i feel weird and restricted around her because shes so professional and good at small talking and a functioning person and her mind seems to go so fast in conversation bleh i prefer male bosses at least then i can charm them somewhat with my femininity lol

Oh yes, male bosses are far better to have than female ones, no facetiousness intended.

[Sol]

Saw ESI girl 20-30 y.o. walking on a street with her friend girl. Attractive one. She's alone and seems walks to meet a good guy. In her talking she said that plans to walk there regularly (that place is popular for romance pairs). When she noticed me looking at her - she made a grooming gest with her hairs unconsciously showing she has an interest.
She loudly discussed with her friend girl that to be attractive is important to be open and friendly with people, that it's not easy for her to be so open. She like does not know that has very attractive personal traits and figure for many men - in the form like she is now, - she wanted to be like some extraverted girl she compared herself with.
Probably there is inside of her a barrier what prevented her to get the tender feelings and relations previously. Most probably it was the redundant fear to get bad relations, mistrusting to people. It's the problem Se types have on the surface - they afraid to be misleaded by other people, to mistake in them. That could to make her some pushy and emotionally restrained with men.
Seems good and nice woman and has strange problems with finding a good pair.

[maniac]

@Sol I imagine you like this:

[Sol]

@Sol I imagine you like this

The are differences: I meet people during the walking or visiting public places, but not campering somewhere. Binocular is not needed to type. And I have no grey hairs still.

[Sol]

I was in a bus with a SEE soldier siting in front of me. He talked loudly in a cell phone like he's one there. Talked about dating girls.
The cutest moment was when he got the connection issues and then blown in the phone's mic in a try to improve the sound like it's ancient phone of 1930s-... when people did such trick as seems a dust could become the obstacle for the sound. The time changes, but the reflexes stay. Most probably he only saw like his parrents did such, but I doubt this ever in his life helped him with any phone he could to use.

Have met today a blond colored cute and pretty girl of ~20 y.o. She lives in the last entrance of my home. She seemed as possible EII for me. The darker day time is and the prettier girl is - seems the more possibility to assume a dual in her.

[The Reality Denialist]

Ends up helping technically illiterate ESI through relatives. Some renovations screwed the internet connection.

Me: ah ok...
ESI: What are you doing?
Me: I go home to grab my old wireless router. You can keep it.
ESI: But the guy never told me about this.
Me: I am not sure but I think I have a solution. Never seen this before.
Comes back with router and wires.
ESI: But the guy told me that I only need a wire with few cms of length and said nothing about that router.
Me: This will do.
ESI: I don't want wires.
Me: Let's hide it in the box where they go.
Me: Lets plug in wires, configure the router and hope for the best.
Me: It works.
ESI: But how?
Me: Just good guessing.. I had to improvise the whole thing. I had no papers or documents.
ESI: Are you sure about this? I need to call someone.
Me: It is OK... I think.
ESI: ??????!!!!!!!??
Me: **shakes my own head while observes anxiety**

The hell that actual technical assistant have to through...

[Sol]

I saw today that possible EII cutie near my home again. If it's she indeed, then her age mb up to 30 y.o.
When I was coming to the home building I've heard the repeating squeak sounds. Then from behind the conner she have appeared on the source of the those terrible sounds - a bicycle. I've passed her and after several seconds I've heard those sounds closing me again - she've passed me ahead and have stopped near her entrance to talk with someone in her flat - seems to report the result of the bicycle's testing. She's funny.

1 August, ~23:00
She went by same road to the home. Was dressed in funny striped t-shirt, sport clothes. Watched to her smartphone all the road, - seems introvert indeed. I do not exclude T type. Her face reminds me a neighbour which seems lived in the same flat - probably she's relative.

[Adam Strange]

@crAck, if you are talking about mental attractiveness, that’s a different story. IMO, women continue to become more attractive with age and experience, right up to the point where the gears begin to slip in old age.

[Tallmo]

LSE-Normalizing painter. Supervises and coordinates the work. About 60 yo. Calm and professional and mature. Seems to have good coping in polr area. Not so excited about the work anymore maybe because of his age. He thinks Im a good worker.

[velveteen]

Me: I have this problem with my hard drive
INTp: You ruined everything, the hard drive is long gone. Here is a new device all set up and ready to go. Top of the line.
Me: Thanks
INTp: No problem
Me: Here’s some money for the new hard drive
INTp: *looks confused* Sick...

[maniac]

i think i used to date a SEE. cant remember much except it was turbulent because it was such a long time ago. actualy he was the one who got me into typology. he thought he was intp.

[Tallmo]

I just watched the news. They interviewed a professor about the current trends in work and employment. The professor seemed C-ILI.

[Guillaine]

SLI mum at the park with her two daughters. Playing that game where you throw a ball in the air clap then catch it and see how many times you can clap. SLI mum made it to 10.

[Guillaine]

I met up with a SLI-Si yesterday. Before meeting in person I was worried we would not get along because he was throwing names of artists at me and knew some obscure spanish musicians I liked so I was thinking he might be 5w4 C type. After meeting, all good we got along, he was H type but 7w6. 7's can come across as C types, but it must be a separate thing. He work the past 20 years as a tour chef for musicians travelling around the world setting up kitchens in warehouses etc and feeding bands and crew. But 7 and 4 don't gel like 6 and 4 whose presence is more comforting, in my experience.


edit: ERRR I just realised my typing error- this person is my mirror! EII-Ne H 7w6 sx/sp

[Sol]

LIE man ~20-25 yo as a seller in electronics shop. Thin constitution and "no taste" clothes, intelligent look and the impression of the guy who does what he says. I suspect N types mostly eat lesser than S types to look thiner.

Possible ESI woman ~30 yo. She went by a street like a queen, with excellent athletic figure. She had simple dress and common face, but you felt "it's the woman", there is the fire in her which attracts the attention and inspires your interest. She watched in her smartphone all the road (those introverts) and like saw nothing near her. After some meters I've turned around to look again on her a couple of times. It's the case when you may like a woman which like has nothing special, but you feel the interest to her from the beginning.

Possible EII young girl ~20 yo. Pretty face, thin, black clothes with slacks. Set at bus stop, smoked and looked sad. If I'd was younger mb I'd talk with her. Also I do not like smoking people and especially smoking girls. Mb she has problems with some boy what made her sad.

[Guillaine]

Online dating:
I realised a guy was LIE after 2nd sentence but agreed to coffee anyway. Thought I'd learn about them at least. We arranged to meet. Then he asked me a sexually explicit question out of the blue. Immediately I was turned off by the timing- straight after we arranged and not before if it was that crucial to know, also not very caregiver of him, merry/serious clash?, also I couldn't care less about the contents of the question but I cannot plan my sexual life or being pinned down do something makes me feel horrible so I gave him a little Se and cancelled the meeting. Lol. He says offer is still open and he just need to tick that box off the list but clearly values are clashing.

[Sol]

I realised a guy was LIE after 2nd sentence but agreed to coffee anyway. Thought I'd learn about them at least. We arranged to meet. Then he asked me a sexually explicit question out of the blue.

Different factors besides types influence - personal, situational.
From the point of types:
1. It's not common for LIE. He could be this type or other like ILE, for example.
2. There are people who use dating sites just for short sexual relations. So he wanted to clear the situation sooner to do not spend the time on you if you are against such relations. There may be profile fields (or general comments fields used such) on those sites alike "I seek for long/serious relations/marriage" - to reduce the chance to repeat.
In case of possible ILE - they (and P Fe valued types) rather more than average tend to have many sexual partners and surface relations. For ILE sensual pleasure is the most important in relations for base Ne types - they seek for sex strongly, meanwhile emotionally close friendly communication needs the time and relates to Fi - their weak nonvalued region.
3. The degree of your negative could be lesser in case of better IR. You could to see that as funny situation, but not so bad.

> Immediately I was turned off by the timing- straight after we arranged and not before if it was that crucial to know, also not very caregiver of him, merry/serious clash?

Base T types (in common) seek for emotional side of relations the most, so sexual interest is expressed after significant emotions appear. Also it's important for them to have mutual feelings. All this does not happen on 1st date with the unknown ones. As the most important is emotional contact, so the expression of physical interest develops step-by-step, but not so roughly and accidentally. Base T types seek for long and emotionally good relations, but not sex with random ones.
That dude reminds Fe valued one as seems he did not care about your feelings (while romances are such region) and so acted in rough style, and reminds P type as you saw he acted accidentally without noticable preparation.

[Bertrand]

from his point of view its a highly efficient way to separate real potential from dead ends, so good for him, since he just saved himself a ton of time. this is why a lot of norms revolving around the personal comfort of people are actually highly psychologically value laden and protect only certain segements of society and ways of thinking. in another society he is a hero, a model of efficiency.. in another he is an outlaw and you are a potential victim who needs to be protected. its a good demonstration of how society adopts quadral values over time and subjects everyone in them to them, and its the efficacy of the values themselves that determine the success of the society in relation to other societies. when the USA loses its competitive edge because it is softened in such a way you will see its global standing decline in deference to those who do. whether this matters at all is individual and so democracy naturally produces these transformations in a somewhat organized way. whether it constitutes progress or decay is a point of view. some people do better in a "decayed" society, etc

[para]

As Socionics produces sets of values, these ways of thinking will be categorised. So yes, with this system in mind it is the waxing of different quadral values in turn, with some having a closer proximity to the current categorization, having in mind external circumstance which might have a 'negating' effect so to speak.

[Guillaine]

I'm not sure if this incident was socionics related or just our two different characters and values. But what I didn't like was that he was saying he was being upfront but for me if he needed to ask before meeting for coffee he should have asked before arranging to meet as well. Otherwise it feels like I'm being tricked a little and he being deceptive and posing as being straightforward....

[Bertrand]

oh you're saying he could have been even more efficient if he just said "ey bby lets fuk." true, in the perfect world it would be that simple, but even more people object to that than asking about it over coffee. it used to be you could just club your mate and drag her home

anyway the point is not whos right or wrong, just that this is how different perspectives work and how society tries to strike a balance between them and that set point does change over time. and based on where its set there are far ranging effects

also no one really tricks huxley.. they can always spin whatever it is into the upper hand, since they don't really believe in truth to begin with, everything is just an infinite series of branching opportunities. tricks are just another opening to take advantage of in some way shape or form. its only the illusion of a moral debt they like to create because doing so is like printing cash. if you take his point of view he's probably thinking he got tricked on substantially similar grounds.. if you weren't interested in being asked a sex question why even agree to get coffee when most people know thats an invitation to close the distance (don't answer this, this is rhetorical). seems like a form of Ni control function to say it was "too fast", and Te/Ni to say "not fast enough." humorously adam strange posted something similar where he said he feels like IEEs provoke him to make offers and then shut him down and hes annoyed because why bother. i guess he doesn't realize its a form of shit testing paced in such a way to extract maximum benefit not in terms of dominant rationality with a prominent time component, but more as a drawn out irrational affair to see who can keep things "interesting"--i.e.: not rushed, more about extending the mutual stimulation over time to the satisfaction of both sides (a kind of Si thing where its about making life less boring and more comfortable at the same time)

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Nah it's just a male thing and not all that socionics related. Men have wildfire-like sex drives, that are always naturally in opposition to morals and society standards, and what women want and can handle.

anybody human would be offended by that, it is offensive- hence the #metoo movement trying to bring about some balance to it, and many of us have been on the receiving ends of it and/or done it ourselves. Like it's human nature to want to talk pervy with somebody you're really into usually, but you overhear the same sort of stuff from somebody you don't view sexually- you now have the empathetic opportunity to view it as how immoral and objectively disgusting it really is. And hopefully, grow up and change your ways. Nah it's not the same thing as actual sexual assault, there's a line there but it's still very inappropriate and I think, better for society for the long run if it was changed. So bottom line, LIE or not- whatever, he shouldn't have been such a pig and went there. You probably thought you were more into him than you really were because I think LIEs can have very stereotypical 'alpha male' faces- but beside that, he was acting like a creepy omega male really.

man even cool bad-ass gamma LIEs can do something really socially off putting and beta manlet-ish, quelle surprise.

There needs to be more empathetic build up like 'is it okay if I xxx' and then see how the other person is responding, rather than just bluntly saying something sexual. yeah you do risk the sub not being turned on if they are hesitant instead of just 'going there', but as louis ck said once it beats having a serious sexual assault charge filed against you in case you are wrong lol. the 'just going' there thing.. you really have to be in tuned with your body, and the other person's, to even do something effective like that where it's not flat-out rape or just awkward/bad sex. I don't think two-dimensional Se really cuts it with that, if we must nitpick it socionically.

[nanashi]

Nah it's just a male thing and not all that socionics related. Men have wildfire-like sex drives, that are always naturally in opposition to morals and society standards, and what women want and can handle.

bullllllshiiiiit

[Guillaine]

To clarify he did not say let's fuck. He asked if I give head, out of the blue, in between two unrelated other questions. I had no intention of sleeping with him by saying I would have coffee, even if other people might assume that. i gave him no information to think I wanted that. I did not provoke, prior to this he gave me the third degree about my life/son etc.

So I think it would be more transparent if it was essential that he knew the answer to that question before meeting to ask it before arranging to meet at the very least. Just my opinion.

About IEE's that may be true on one level. But there is another side to us that is very heartfelt, loyal and caring.

[FDG]

To clarify he did not say let's fuck. He asked if I give head, out of the blue, in between two unrelated other questions. I had no intention of sleeping with him by saying I would have coffee, even if other people might assume that. i gave him no information to think I wanted that. I did not provoke, prior to this he gave me the third degree about my life/son etc.

So I think it would be more transparent if it was essential that he knew the answer to that question before meeting to ask it before arranging to meet at the very least. Just my opinion.

About IEE's that may be true on one level. But there is another side to us that is very heartfelt, loyal and caring.

he was just being provocative, it backfired, that´s kind of it I think...in his mind at least.

Tbh it´s not like SLIs especially the Te subtypes are champions of finesse - but they´ll likely be less direct.

[Adam Strange]

To clarify he did not say let's fuck. He asked if I give head, out of the blue, in between two unrelated other questions. I had no intention of sleeping with him by saying I would have coffee, even if other people might assume that. i gave him no information to think I wanted that. I did not provoke, prior to this he gave me the third degree about my life/son etc.

So I think it would be more transparent if it was essential that he knew the answer to that question before meeting to ask it before arranging to meet at the very least. Just my opinion.

About IEE's that may be true on one level. But there is another side to us that is very heartfelt, loyal and caring.

I haven’t done online dating yet, either, but I do meet a lot of women IRL with an eye toward dating them, and I’ve never asked a woman straight out if she gives head (on first meeting her).

On the other hand, I like to know what I’m dealing with and if there is any potential there, and I find that a person’s sexual proclivities can usually be completely understood by inference by the second date, at latest.

LIE’s are oriented toward ESI’s, and both are very straightforward. I was on a first date recently with an ESI who complained that her previous BF’s didn’t like the messiness of sex and couldn’t understand why she might need manual stimulation to reach orgasm, and I told her I’ve been familiar with both for years and it’s perfectly normal. Common, even. This level of direct honesty was within hours of meeting.

In the other hand, after sleeping with an SLI several times, I asked her for head and she said, disdainfully, “Who does that?” And she had had a number of previous BF’s.

Different strokes for different folks. But you should know that by now.

FWIW, I (an LIE) have been approached by two IEE’s in a way that I can only describe as them being extremely slutty. In both cases, when I responded even slightly to them, they completely shut me down and shut off. I interpreted this to mean they are oriented toward doing whatever it takes to get their incredibly inert duals to even fucking notice them. But if the object of their attention responds to them in the slightest, then that person is not an SLI and they’ve made a mistake.

That’s how we filter for our duals. So instead of complaining that an LIE doesn’t respond like an SLI, thank your lucky stars that the system works.

So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and stop bitching that your dog can’t do calculus.





*after coffee EDIT* @Guillaine, FWIW, I like the female IEE’s whom I know in real life. I completely agree that they are loyal, heartfelt, and caring. My ex-wife’s sister is IEE and is a wonderful person, as is my bookkeeper. I’m even trying to get my very inert SLI son to pay attention to IEE’s in the hope that he’ll have smoother sailing than I did in my first marriage.

But I’m not going to date an IEE, and I’m certainly not going to ask one about her sexual preferences. I’ll save that for the ESI’s.