How would an INFp (male) and ESTp (female) relationship work?

[wacey]

{If the male is secure and comfortable letting the female lead in non conventional gendered ways, it could work out. Male would also have to concede to the fact she may be more capable and competent than him. He should understand that when she acts robotic at times, it does not mean she feels any less than him, and to be open to her way of language and helping him. If he is not to prideful, and remains conscientious to her hidden vulnerabilities, it could work out.

IEI are the manipulative ones, people don't recognize that. Usually they are just trying to hide and cover for personal shortcomings, yet this is hard for SLE to see, being so ST focused.

They need to have authentic communication in person preferably, to avoid miscommunication and misunderstanding on both sides. This is a dual that works well up close in person, not at a distance.

SLE female needs to respect IEI space even if she thinks she is doing that. That way IEI can "wander" out in the world (day dream, meander) and still have a place to come home to without the drama. If SLE grip to tightly IEI male will start to become shifty as he attempts to ethically manipulate his woman, teaching her in roundabout ways that leave her puzzled.

IEI needs to trust and open up to SLE woman as she has much to teach and offer of herself and the SLE needs to respect his efforts at self improvement.

Rocky starts for these results types. If they can get on the same page it really looks like heaven. IEI gets to bring someone stargazing and SLE gets someone who loves them, needs them, and can help them navigate pretty much anything. }

That's what I've seen. :/

[wasp]

IEI are the manipulative ones, people don't recognize that. Usually they are just trying to hide and cover for personal shortcomings, yet this is hard for SLE to see, being so ST focused.

i wish more people would recognize this. it's hush-hush that intuition is merely compensation for a lack of "sensoric" qualities (real objects and experiences). it's akin to playing poker with a poor hand and making it by on a mean bluff alone. it moves you in inexplicable ways. good and bad

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i wish more people would recognize this. it's hush-hush that intuition is merely compensation for a lack of "sensoric" qualities (real objects and experiences). it's akin to playing poker with a poor hand and making it by on a mean bluff alone. it moves you in inexplicable ways. good and bad

Ni can definitely try to steer someone/influence someone indirectly, but I find most SLEs do what they want anyways, lol. I am not sure if manipulative is the right word though, it's probably just an inherent trait of Ni people.

[wacey]

Ni can definitely try to steer someone/influence someone indirectly, but I find most SLEs do what they want anyways, lol. I am not sure if manipulative is the right word though, it's probably just an inherent trait of Ni people.

I cant think of a word for it.

[Rebelondeck]

Ni can definitely try to steer someone/influence someone indirectly, but I find most SLEs do what they want anyways, lol. I am not sure if manipulative is the right word though, it's probably just an inherent trait of Ni people.

Manipulation is learned behaviour that any type may adopt. INFps are observers that seem to be preoccupied a lot with image, fitting-in and defence; any attempts at influence or manipulation would likely be in support of these preoccupations, and is often nothing more than a strategic bluff - it wouldn't be unusual for them to use silence or a smile to fake having an actual opinion. SLEs usually have clearer pictures of what they want so would tend more to actively manipulate in order to obtain something, but this would not normally be their first course of action.
a.k.a. I/O

[wasp]

Ni can definitely try to steer someone/influence someone indirectly, but I find most SLEs do what they want anyways, lol. I am not sure if manipulative is the right word though, it's probably just an inherent trait of Ni people.

colloquially speaking there are definitely negative connotations attached to the word "manipulative" but I think any form of indirect influence could be categorized as "manipulative" which may be something as simple as praising someone in an area you think they've got potential in, such as telling them they're a good writer, which way may or may not be entirely true since you've only read a handful of pieces written by them, but the positive current underlying your words may positively influence their behavior. so you've got a point there, how that "manipulative" behavior manifests would most definitely depend on the individual Ni-ego and their upbringing and values -- perhaps "indirectly influential" would work in place of "manipulative"?

[wacey]

colloquially speaking there are definitely negative connotations attached to the word "manipulative" but I think any form of indirect influence could be categorized as "manipulative" which may be something as simple as praising someone in an area you think they've got potential in, such as telling them they're a good writer, which way may or may not be entirely true since you've only read a handful of pieces written by them, but the positive current underlying your words may positively influence their behavior. so you've got a point there, how that "manipulative" behavior manifests would most definitely depend on the individual Ni-ego and their upbringing and values -- perhaps "indirectly influential" would work in place of "manipulative"?

Sure this works.

[wacey]

i wish more people would recognize this. it's hush-hush that intuition is merely compensation for a lack of "sensoric" qualities (real objects and experiences). it's akin to playing poker with a poor hand and making it by on a mean bluff alone. it moves you in inexplicable ways. good and bad

It's not merely, but yes it does try to make up for lacking of sensing plus logic.

[betterthandead]

What you stated is for less than optimal IEI or those who are really self oriented, not all INFPs, you also make it sound like ESTP/SLE is the one to suffer through this, this is a bullshit response you made

{If the male is secure and comfortable letting the female lead in non conventional gendered ways, it could work out. Male would also have to concede to the fact she may be more capable and competent than him. He should understand that when she acts robotic at times, it does not mean she feels any less than him, and to be open to her way of language and helping him. If he is not to prideful, and remains conscientious to her hidden vulnerabilities, it could work out.

IEI are the manipulative ones, people don't recognize that. Usually they are just trying to hide and cover for personal shortcomings, yet this is hard for SLE to see, being so ST focused.

They need to have authentic communication in person preferably, to avoid miscommunication and misunderstanding on both sides. This is a dual that works well up close in person, not at a distance.

SLE female needs to respect IEI space even if she thinks she is doing that. That way IEI can "wander" out in the world (day dream, meander) and still have a place to come home to without the drama. If SLE grip to tightly IEI male will start to become shifty as he attempts to ethically manipulate his woman, teaching her in roundabout ways that leave her puzzled.

IEI needs to trust and open up to SLE woman as she has much to teach and offer of herself and the SLE needs to respect his efforts at self improvement.

Rocky starts for these results types. If they can get on the same page it really looks like heaven. IEI gets to bring someone stargazing and SLE gets someone who loves them, needs them, and can help them navigate pretty much anything. }

That's what I've seen. :/

[wacey]

What you stated is for less than optimal IEI or those who are really self oriented, not all INFPs, you also make it sound like ESTP/SLE is the one to suffer through this, this is a bullshit response you made

okay, you made your point.