Originally Posted by Shaebette
So I was looking through the ENFp uncovered thread and I realised there's no EII Uncovered thread, which is basically all the negative or hidden traits and facts about EIIs and their behaviour. Let's gooo! (You can (quite truthfully) trash EIIs here)
the 'uncovered' were actually a series of 'unflattering portraits'
they are many years old
there have definitely been other 'eiis aren't that great' threads if you want to find them
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
i think the biggest 'uncovered' thing i can say about eiis and also fits with iees
is they can be so confidence of their good intentions that they blind themselves to how things can be interpreted by others
that assuredness can be naivete or it can also be seen as completely missing the plight of other people - which delta NFs essentially never consciously intend to do
however their self-assuredness about their benevolence -- as a byproduct of feeling like they can't try to hurt or harm people out of ill will or whatever - - can in fact block their ability to see things - even with 'ne creative' or whatever else ; the delta nfs seem particularly unable to understand how their attachment to their feeling about something is inhibiting the flow of new or relevant information even though they consider themselves very empathic or 'aware' of other people's situations
however i have seen situations like s's sister avoiding stuff too - however i associate that a lot more with 9 bs esp if they are sp first ;/
they can also be quite pouty - which is sometimes cute when its obvious and somewhat intentional just expressing discontent
but when it's a sense of really being triggered they can sort of just implicitly want tending to or 'there there yes you're right ' attitude -- but they in the moment of being triggered will never actually see it that way
it can be equally frustrating when IEEs simply have obliviousness to Ti or EIIs with Se
but
I tend to still favor EIIS (in this way) because they are rational and things don't 'change' in perception as rapidly as they do with IEEs
but i think that is essentially the case for all POLRs and our petty moments where we think that facet of reality or importance doesn't exist mhm
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I would also add that
their oversure sense of benevolence can also lead or have a sense of entitlement about their efforts
I AM TRYING SO HARD TO MAKE THINGS WORK - CANT YOU SEE MY EFFORT?
When, because they are not objectively aware of what is going on, nor have done proper accounting of what is or has taken place, their efforts, although great and from a good place, are misguided, and their ensuing sense of depletion creating a state of ..... essentially, fruitless exhaustion.
Within those states they tend to either retreat/pout/tune out, often into a moral high ground or 'well I will give the transgressor some space, and maybe they will come around". Ironically, sometimes it is more them that needs the time out to come back with fresh eyes. If they are triggered into seeing the same narrative and principle at play and then assume nothing is at play, or reject the more dynamic or less-clear signs of change, then this awkward process can prolong indefinitely.
It is is significantly difficult to be reasonable or logically-rational with them in the states of fruitless exhaustion. (I don't say that to berate or say they are overly emotional, as every type has something like this). But for EIIs and delta NFs in general, in my opinion, there's not a lot you can do there, because if you point out how pointless their efforts were in that state, it's offensive or damaging, even if it is true. So there's a sense of "ok, you need to be recognized for your effort independent of its effect or merit", which, is actually kind of hard for me to do given the root cause and origin of things being off. But I think for anyone looking to help balance out an EII or deal with similar people, it's an important thing to realize.
For someone who is very giving in general, that is part of the tradeoff.
I think the more EIIs / IEEs are able to avoid that sense of fruitless exhaustion, the healthier and more well adjusted to being a functional NF kind of person they are.
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If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
A few have their evil side. Many INFj seem to want to project an image of saintliness but some are too detached to truly care about anyone or anything outside of themselves and their own visions of nirvana. They preach rather than interact; they have two rules: 1. listen to what I have to say and 2. if you don't want to listen, I'll preach to you anyway. They believe that they know what good for others better than those others know themselves; and they can create and execute final solutions. They're elitists in a pulpit and all of them lust for Oprah-power......
a.k.a. I/O
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
@UPD tell me how your brain works. Do you think on a daily basis or do you follow your schedule without a thought?
Hmm, I would say some prominent traits, at least with me, are holding in negative emotions and letting things build up and being avoidant of people. When there are plans made with other people and they get cancled, there are times when I'm secretly happy that I get the day to myself. I want to get tasks done to the best of my ability and am very slow at completing tasks to a fault. This gets to a point where I don't always get them done on time. I also struggle verbalizing my emotions, especially as they are happening.
I am also not very good with taking criticism, especially when it comes to artwork and other things I'm passionate about. A lot of anger tends to build up with me as well. I am good at focussing on one thing, or one task, but I tend to have trouble letting that task go. When I perceive that a person wrongs me, I have trouble letting go of grudges too. I am also very quiet, very keep to myself, and struggle to open up with people. I struggle with deeper connection with people too.
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Make things right? Who are we to decide when things are right and when they need to be fixed?
i feel u froofroo
The sadness experiences by the wanting of a potential of a relationship to work out when it does not.
“We can be amazing friends. I can see our future. We’ll live together and provide assistance to one another, work and grow towards our future, but you want to blow all your money on having fun. What I see , that vision can now never become a reality. And now, now I’m left to do it alone againto find another potential relationship.”
“Come, come over my friend, let’s spend some time together speaking about our art.” He arrives and we speak about our art and it went just as I had imagined it would and now I feel good about our interaction, our time spent with one another. I love my friend
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
At business they can be hell, they dislike saying what they really think about projects and the good and bad perspectives, for instead, go along with ppl until the most decisive moment when they just run away and literally hide like cowards and never pick up the phone again or invent excuses to not assist to appointments and etc. All of this because they don't know how or feel unable to express how they truly feel and think about something. This is highly annoying and very hoaxing, also is selfish because in hopes of not hurting ppls feelings they actually end up hurting them with real stuff such like making them waste resources like time, money etc. So, if you are going to make some business with EII, just make sure that you are their family member or someone from who they are not going to run away or play hide and seek to avoid taking responsibility about their words/ actions. Also they should learn that others do not expect that them to agree with you or others all the time, especially not in business.
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This is very interesting. I'm not sure this behavior is generally true for EII's, but I can say that I have experienced ghosting from two ESI's.
The first was a woman who suggested we get an apartment together, and when I told her I was older than her father, she insisted that she was only joking and then cut off all contact with me.
The second was an ESI who suggested that we go out "For burgers and beer but no sex". Lol. She's the one who brought up sex. Before we actually went out (and had a great time, I thought), she warned me that she could vanish in a heartbeat, which I thought was a pretty strange thing to say. And sure enough, after the date, she only texted me a few times and then refused to meet again. Now, this might be her method of avoiding telling me that she had a horrible time*, but in either case, there exists the refusal to simply state what she really thinks.
*EDIT
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This is the truth. Its a hope that passively people will see that this hurts and should never be done to someone.
Personally what i don't like about me is my lack of confrontation nature. If someone hurts me, i'd rather cut them out than work things with them (but that also depends on my relationship level with someone aka if i don't feel safe enough to express my concerns or if i know we aren't close enough, because then i'll probably think you wont care about my sensitivity, which is why i don't share. I also tested this out before, it only brought drama and conflict so i just learned to disappear because i don't like to make conflicts). Also i was fired at my first job because of my non-confrontation nature. I didn't call to take an absent leave so i felt immense shame and guilt for bringing my face again at work because i felt my job performance was disappointing for that reason so i just skipped until they fired me.
Be the reason someone believes in the goodness of people.
I love how you implicitly say feelings aren't real stuff
No, but really, I know a few EIIs that are horrible at this stuff. One is consistently getting jobs within a field he absolutely hates and end up avoiding tasks to the point of getting fired. Then he goes and gets another one a month later, rinse and repeat cycle.
They’re stuck up their own asses; convinced of their moral awesomeness. Inconsiderate of others whenever it’s convenient to be. Shameless about taking advantage of people.
I'm guilty of all of this and on top of that, the motivation is hardly "not to hurt anyone", but more about not hurting me myself and I with undesired things. pathetic egomaniac, yea.
Mum married someone she hates. Uh. Go figure. One divorce later, and she has less of a reason to hate life.
Don't do that. Be at least aware enough not to do that. Hot damn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=LIE_Profile_by_Gulenko
the only negative thing about EIIs is they can get convinced of the wrong idea. boo imagine making mistakes.
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self diagnosed ASD, ADHD, schizotypal/affective
Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
I want to care
if I was better I’d help you
if I was better you’d be better
Human Design 2/4 projector life path 1
Ya the fuckin' idiots won't even believe everything I thing I try to explain to them. Complete imbeciles really.
lol that too, but I have sympathy for them about that aspect lol
I'm sorry will you not believe everything I say with no hesitation?
Oh scratch that I fully misunderstood what you were saying.
Oh yeah that’s the only negative thing about them ��… please everyone just believe this one, be unsuspecting, let’s make sure nobody catches on to the play ����
its like they arent as closed minded as ppl here claim them to be but like instead of responding to the EIIs with understanding ppl just get triggered
EIIs are ethical type still. the morals are not just that selfishness where they think themselves to be always right, a lot of them seem to hate and devalue themselves due to not living up to their moral standards or due to disliking their own biases, conflicts in their own views and emotions
https://linktr.ee/tehhnicus
Jesus is King stops black magic and closes portals
self diagnosed ASD, ADHD, schizotypal/affective
Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
I want to care
if I was better I’d help you
if I was better you’d be better
Human Design 2/4 projector life path 1
My bf's sister is EII and she is totally the same to the last thing you described. He's often annoyed at her because she's so private, doesn't tell him even super important things like for example that she broke up with her boyfriend or changed jobs, although he's really nice to her and wants to help her and she in general acts grumpy if you want to get anything out of her. She's an interesting intelligent person, but pretty frustrating to deal with - the wall she has with other people is so fucking high and there's no way to know how to climb it. People like that seem really modest, but when you look closer they're actually really high maintainance and self centered.
It's most probably because of her Enneagram type, but I do think that's a trait that all EIIs have, the privacy, just to different extents. I'm 4w3 and am dramatic as hell, but it has a subtle edge to it I guess because I'm EII.
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
subtle edge compared to what?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
To 4w3s of other types, say Fe or Se egos
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
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