So, How to date a dual and do I have one or is duality a myth?

[Ocean Man]

I don't know how Semi Dual would teach you better than a dual.

People use their Inferior function in a way more similar to their Semi-Dual rather than their Dual, it has to do with shifts in the psyche.

I don't think that comfort goes away just because you're around a dual.

I think it is not about comfort, it is about capability and the need to use. If you have a specialist that can do something for you, naturally you will let them do it - that is how the relation works. The intuitive comes up with an idea, the sensor executes it in the real world.

I could say similar and say I don't think you've met a real dual.

Luckily I've dealt with more than one, my sister is also my Dual in this system. So, you could say similar, out of spite, but you'd be wrong - again. I think that you should at least get a grasp on your own type, and then gain the ability to correctly diagnose relations before embarrassing yourself any further in front of me.

[Lord Pixel]

People use their Inferior function in a way more similar to their Semi-Dual rather than their Dual, it has to do with shifts in the psyche.


I think it is not about comfort, it is about capability and the need to use. If you have a specialist that can do something for you, naturally you will let them do it - that is how the relation works. The intuitive comes up with an idea, the sensor executes it in the real world.


Luckily I've dealt with more than one, my sister is also my Dual in this system. So, you could say similar, out of spite, but you'd be wrong - again. I think that you should at least get a grasp on your own type, and then gain the ability to correctly diagnose relations before embarrassing yourself any further in front of me.

I don't think you use your inferior IE in isolation, I think you use them in relation to other IEs, especially ones you value and depending on which block they are in, and your dual has you lower IEs paired together in a block like you do, so they use them in relation to the same IEs as you do.

I agree with capability, but I don't think someone being capable in something makes you less capable. Like I said you can't go any lower than 1D with your IEs, and you'd also learn how to be much better from just observation of a dual, so when they are no longer around you have examples to draw from. Imagine that vs trying to become capable on your own.

I could also say you'd be wrong with assuming I don't know my type or correctly. And if you wanna go and take personal shots at me go ahead this means nothing to me, still I don't think duality is this dramatic thing that could explode or be the holy grail like you say, I think duality is pretty simple and lacks alot of complications that are in other ITRs. I have dealt with more than 1 more than 2 I've dealt with around 10 duals and this implosion or dual break up has happened with only one because the person was an asshole not because of type.

[Ocean Man]

I don't think duality is this dramatic thing that could explode or be the holy grail like you say

It's been stated over and over by multiple practitioners. You could even go to http://socionics.com which is ancient and read about it there, the description hasn't changed much in the past 20 years.

If you wanna go and take personal shots at me go ahead this means nothing to me

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - EIE wisdom from Mark Twain. I'll be taking his advice in this situation.

[Armitage]

I think it is not about comfort, it is about capability and the need to use. If you have a specialist that can do something for you, naturally you will let them do it - that is how the relation works. The intuitive comes up with an idea, the sensor executes it in the real world.

Based on my own experiences I beg to differ. For instance, my ESI-Se cycling friend is encouraging me to start hitting the Gym again. I used to do so before I begun my computer science minor and the whole COVID lockdowns hit and I have been wanting to pick it up again. He isn't taking over, instead he encourages me and helps me prioritize what is really important to me. He has been able to persuade me to keep in touch with fewer acquintances and to focus more on my inner circle and sports, while leaving it up to me to decide who the close contacts in my inner-circle are.

[Ocean Man]

Based on my own experiences I beg to differ. For instance, my ESI-Se cycling friend is encouraging me to start hitting the Gym again. I used to do so before I begun my computer science minor and the whole COVID lockdowns hit and I have been wanting to pick it up again. He isn't taking over, instead he encourages me and helps me prioritize what is really important to me. He has been able to persuade me to keep in touch with fewer acquintances and to focus more on my inner circle and sports, while leaving it up to me to decide who the close contacts in my inner-circle are.

That simply is not ESI and LIE Duality. Whoever typed you two has no idea what they're doing. From your story, I can say that your friend is most likely an ST (techinical-managerial) type. He does seem like an introvert, so whoever typed him got that right - I'd say he's not ESI, but LSI. Your proposed low energy and introversion corresponds to ILI over LIE. But, ILI seems unlikely for you as you are likely a Positivist - so a Harmonizing subtype is more appropriate in the Socionics system. Furthermore, LIE as a type has no issues with motivation (regardless of subtype). Same with SLEs. Unless they are ill or in failing health, most likely due to overworking.

All I can do for you is suggest that you get your types sorted out correctly. VG is doing discounted typings right now, so if you want a professional opinion, I'd go to him before he gets killed by shrapnel.

[Armitage]

That simply is not ESI and LIE Duality. Whoever typed you two has no idea what they're doing. From your story, I can say that your friend is most likely an ST (techinical-managerial) type. He does seem like an introvert, so whoever typed him got that right - I'd say he's not ESI, but LSI. Your proposed low energy and introversion corresponds to ILI over LIE. But, ILI seems unlikely for you as you are likely a Positivist - so a Harmonizing subtype is more appropriate in the Socionics system. Furthermore, LIE as a type has no issues with motivation (regardless of subtype). Same with SLEs. Unless they are ill or in failing health, most likely due to overworking.

All I can do for you is suggest that you get your types sorted out correctly. VG is doing discounted typings right now, so if you want a professional opinion, I'd go to him before he gets killed by shrapnel.

Did you perhaps mean LSEs instead of SLEs? I would sure like to possess the great energy and vigour of SLEs, but I believe that to be unrealistic. I do match LSEs, on the other hand, in the zest that I display in my activities.

Your interpretation of the information requires some rectification, because the reason I did not pick up working out again earlier is actually not due to a lack of motivation. The obstacles for me to exercising regularly were instead a of lack of time, due to all the competing activities I engage in, and a lack of confidence about my body (Si PoLR) when comparing myself to regular Gym-goers.

I have to say that you underestimate ESI's capability to manage people, especially the Se subtype is competent at this. I am convinced that he is an ethical type, because it shows in his way how he reasons about justice and unfairness, as he readily sacrifices his own interest for that of the greater good. He is also very interested into facts, which I gladly provide, but theories he regularly tends to find too far-fetched. Not to mention his great empathy towards other people and animals, his avoidance of any inauthenticity and of group behaviours make him differ from the LSI friends I have.

So far you seem to retype almost everyone you come across and hear of, which either means that everyone is incorrect about themselves or you might jump to conclusions too quickly. You might want to consider that the person has more experience with themselves than you have with them before telling them that they are mistaken.

You may reply to this message and I shall read it, but because I have other responsibilities to take care of, I may not respond to it. Feel free to use or disuse the information that I provided as you see fit.