SLE for Stewie is more likely than LII, that's for sure
I see a lot of Si seeking in Peter, so ILE is probably the best type for him, but SLE wouldn't be horrible I guess.
SLE for Stewie is more likely than LII, that's for sure
I see a lot of Si seeking in Peter, so ILE is probably the best type for him, but SLE wouldn't be horrible I guess.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
What about Ti ENTp for Brian?
Actually... Steve kinda sounds like Brian lol
The end is nigh
What about his complete failure to pay attention to anyone in his family ever? What about the way he treats Meg? That's no Fi creative.
Peter might just be so devoid of anything resembling intelligence that he's untypable
That doesn't make any sense at all. You should have just said "he's stupid."Its more likely to me that hes so devoid of T that his F suffers.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
My best friend is an SEE. He's variable about who he spends his time with, who he pays the most attention to, etc, but he is fiercely loyal to his closest friends and family, and is rather attentive to the people he feels closest to.
Fi doesn't mean you treat everyone with respect, but in the ego block it generally manifests in treating people with whom you are close well and giving them preference over people you are not as familiar with; you treat them congruently with how you view them in terms of closeness. This is not true for Peter at ALL, for the most part he ignores his family or takes them for granted.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I agree with Gilly. Everyone else is being ridiculous and over-analyzing everything.
The saddest ESFj
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Your friend sounds pretty healthy.
Peter is a pretty obvious example of an unhealthy SEE to me.
I've seen this manifest. Its not so much that Peter is a malicious guy or that he doesn't care, its that he's too stupid to realize what going on, coupled by his utter lack of intuition that makes it seem that way. Whenever he turns a relationship sour where its someone he cares about, and he becomes aware of something being wrong, he takes action to repair it.
There's the Fi.
Probably sensory subtype
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<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
Funny, because now you're just talking to yourself. I don't see any sign of application towards my opinion, but your own diffidence is apparent.
This observation is quite bland. You should talk to me when you stop being so myopic or perhaps provide some relevance to the discussion.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Yeah Fi can work like that. But it can also be that Peter doesnt see anything to gain from his family. He certainly treats them like that. Again, I feel its the emphasis on Se thats making it seem like he's oblivious/doesnt care. Ive had experiences with a close SEE friend where this was the case. Theres an understanding of the relationship through Fi, but the behavior isnt checked up with intuition, resulting in brash behavior that comes off as unvalued Fi. But the Fi is there, when Peter goes about repairing/talking about issues he can be rather tactful and sincere. He's shown the capacity to be at least decently skilled w people throughout the series. He just doesnt exercise it as much. I'm also going to re-emphasize his sense of humor here. He jokes EXACTLY like my SEE friend. From how he makes impressions of people, to the physical humor, as well as his crude verbal jokes, and the way he persists in his jokes.
There was an episode I recall where he got a prostate exam by a doctor, which he exaggerated to phenomenal homo-erotic proportions(seeming truly terrified), yet in another episode he's seen naked, undressing Cleveland. I dont know many other types that would act like that LOL
Plus Ive read that See's can be rather corpulent.
Just throwing that out there
Anyhow Im sticking with SEE.
This turned out to be a pretty long discussion for a cartoon show
Last edited by thePirate; 07-27-2009 at 06:13 AM.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
Peter is cleary Se-dominant. He lives off impulse. To say thePirate's analysis of him is irrational is irrational because it was the most rational analysis in this thread. The point is, his Fi becomes apparent only after his Se has kicked in. He's always reflective and sincere after the fact. Also, he's reflective of his experiences, not of possibilities--a big difference between Se and Ne. And Cleveland is totally ISFj...
I retyped Cleveland as SEI after I typed him ESI, because he's always talking about what is comforting to his senses, and explaining the moments within moments of current, and taking part in song and musical, in ways others don't. He also takes the role of target clown. I mean, take a look at the new TV series about him. This character is untypeable, so he's not totally anything. But he does correlate mostly to SEI. As far as Peter types, one aspect is to look how Cleveland and he communicate. There is very little conflict, so your typing of ESI with an SEE is reasonable, but I doubt it's the case. This is not the only aspect I used but it certainly is helpful. Most of my opinion is from a strong impression that he's not a type in my quadra.
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To be honest pirate I think your rationale is pretty facile. But it's your opinion, so whatever.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I think thePirate's analysis makes a lot of sense. Peter Griffin is essentially a carbon copy of Homer Simpson, who I've independantly typed as SEE for similar reasons. Smart SEEs will obviously behave differently from stupid SEEs.
I think we should invent a new dichotomy in socionics: smart vs. stupid. My guess is that it would explain a good number of the differences we see within types.
Personally I think Homer is IEE, but he shows MUCH more Fi than Peter IMO, even if it is sporadic.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
LII-Ne
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yeah I agree. I really liked Brian on the show. I used to wonder if he was SLI, since he has that matter of fact dry thing going on. It's sort of funny having him be a dog when he's so logical. I don't see him being SEI because he isn't very expressive at all, but I guess it's possible.
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Now that you mention it, IEE for Homer does make a lot of sense. He's more imaginitive than Peter Griffin.
One of these days I'll have to sit down and watch a bunch of the Simpsons, analytically.
I thought IEE for Homer also. Incidentally, an EIE friend of mine despises Homer but is quite all right with Peter. For me, it is the reverse.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
Seeing as the creator of family guy is an Alpha, do you think that all the characters are just a representation of everything Alpha would deem rediculous about Gamma? Honestly people, you make it sound like Seth Macfarlane sits down during the creation of each episode and tells his staff "OK GUYS, let's make sure all our characters FIT these "SOCIONICS" profiles exactly, or people won't get the joke."
Peter Griffin: SEE
Lois Griffin: EIE
Chris Griffin: SEI
Meg Griffin: ESI
Stewie Griffin: LIE
Brian Griffin: ILI
Comparing Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin is interesting.. Peter is basically a 'ripoff' of Homer but there are some important differences.
While I think both of them are SEE types. Homer seems to show more Fi than Peter- enough that for a while I thought Peter was an SLE- but what he lacks in Fi- he lacks remarkably in Ti..
Peter is such an obvious ILE. He's impulsive but he always disregards reality and is constantly comparing the present to the past. That's not Se.
Mostly going by early seasons as the late ones become a caricature of themselves.
Peter - ILE-Ne
Lois - ESE-Si
Chris - SEI-Si?
Meg - SEI-Fe?
Stewie - LIE-Ni
Brian - LII
Cleveland - SEI-Si
Quagmire - SLE
Joe - LSI
Actually, Meg isn't SEI. ESI, maybe?