Family Guy

[Gilly]

SLE for Stewie is more likely than LII, that's for sure

I see a lot of Si seeking in Peter, so ILE is probably the best type for him, but SLE wouldn't be horrible I guess.

[thePirate]

No, more like I see an acute lack of Fi. SLE is plausible, but I don't think I could see SEE.

I cant see him as a T type, when he says statements like the ones Knight posted, he's not joking.

Its more likely to me that hes so devoid of T that his F suffers.

[ArchonAlarion]

What about Ti ENTp for Brian?

Actually... Steve kinda sounds like Brian lol

[Gilly]

I cant see him as a T type, when he says statements like the ones Knight posted, he's not joking.

What about his complete failure to pay attention to anyone in his family ever? What about the way he treats Meg? That's no Fi creative.

Peter might just be so devoid of anything resembling intelligence that he's untypable

Its more likely to me that hes so devoid of T that his F suffers.

That doesn't make any sense at all. You should have just said "he's stupid."

[Gilly]

What about Ti ENTp for Brian?

No way. SLI all the way; if not, then SEI.

[thePirate]

What about his complete failure to pay attention to anyone in his family ever? What about the way he treats Meg? That's no Fi creative.

Peter might just be so devoid of anything resembling intelligence that he's untypable

If you think this is outside of an esfps behavioral realm, I assure you, you are mistaken.

Are you a close friend w any ESFp? lol..

Fi doesnt neccessarily mean you're going to treat people with respect or pay attention to them.

Especially when Se is involved.

[Gilly]

My best friend is an SEE. He's variable about who he spends his time with, who he pays the most attention to, etc, but he is fiercely loyal to his closest friends and family, and is rather attentive to the people he feels closest to.

Fi doesn't mean you treat everyone with respect, but in the ego block it generally manifests in treating people with whom you are close well and giving them preference over people you are not as familiar with; you treat them congruently with how you view them in terms of closeness. This is not true for Peter at ALL, for the most part he ignores his family or takes them for granted.

[electric sheep]

I agree with Gilly. Everyone else is being ridiculous and over-analyzing everything.

[electric sheep]

Stewie is very Ti and Se to me, and not really Ni. I have a hunch were trying to base his type on a stereotype? because I can see how one could think EIE, but there is no rationality (correct me if I'm wrong, but he's almost as irrational as Peter) and Ni just isn't there. His way of reflecting and planning is Ti not Ni. Also I don't think Lois is Fe valuing and Brian definitely is, even though there have been Fe stereotypes about Lois reflected throughout the series. There is a contrast in their reactions to ethical matters, since Brian has the impulse to act on what should be done, and reacts rather well to Fe, for say an SLI, and Lois keeps ethics near and dear and expects solidification from her family. They're both of that xII nature. I'm not sure where you're seeing Ne dual-seeking or Te ego for Brian. Quagmire is arguable, but I don't see SLE anywhere. See contrast in Stewie's sensing oriented Ti.

Yea this totally does not sound like you just pulled it out of your ass.

[717495]

I agree with Gilly. Everyone else is being ridiculous and over-analyzing everything.

I'm not over analyzing it. I just like making conversation.

Yea this totally does not sound like you just pulled it out of your ass.

Why should I care what you think? All you have done is agree, as I have my own opinions.

[thePirate]

My best friend is an SEE. He's variable about who he spends his time with, who he pays the most attention to, etc, but he is fiercely loyal to his closest friends and family, and is rather attentive to the people he feels closest to.

Fi doesn't mean you treat everyone with respect, but in the ego block it generally manifests in treating people with whom you are close well and giving them preference over people you are not as familiar with; you treat them congruently with how you view them in terms of closeness. This is not true for Peter at ALL, for the most part he ignores his family or takes them for granted.

Your friend sounds pretty healthy.

Peter is a pretty obvious example of an unhealthy SEE to me.

I've seen this manifest. Its not so much that Peter is a malicious guy or that he doesn't care, its that he's too stupid to realize what going on, coupled by his utter lack of intuition that makes it seem that way. Whenever he turns a relationship sour where its someone he cares about, and he becomes aware of something being wrong, he takes action to repair it.

There's the Fi.

Probably sensory subtype

[electric sheep]

Why should I care what you think? All you have done is agree, as I have my own opinions.

Usually people explain why they have an opinion on something. You gave your bullshit opinion, provided zero rationale, and I called you on it.
Why don't you try substantiating your opinions?

[717495]

Usually people explain why they have an opinion on something. You gave your bullshit opinion, provided zero rationale, and I called you on it.

Funny, because now you're just talking to yourself. I don't see any sign of application towards my opinion, but your own diffidence is apparent.

Why don't you try substantiating your opinions?

This observation is quite bland. You should talk to me when you stop being so myopic or perhaps provide some relevance to the discussion.

[Gilly]

Your friend sounds pretty healthy.

Peter is a pretty obvious example of an unhealthy SEE to me.

I've seen this manifest. Its not so much that Peter is a malicious guy or that he doesn't care, its that he's too stupid to realize what going on, coupled by his utter lack of intuition that makes it seem that way. Whenever he turns a relationship sour where its someone he cares about, and he becomes aware of something being wrong, he takes action to repair it.

There's the Fi.

Probably sensory subtype

I would see an unhealthy SEE as being more likely to manipulate their friendships actively for their own personal gain; as you say, Peter just seems oblivious to matters of Fi, which makes me think weak and unvalued; hence, Fi PoLR.

[thePirate]

I would see an unhealthy SEE as being more likely to manipulate their friendships actively for their own personal gain; as you say, Peter just seems oblivious to matters of Fi, which makes me think weak and unvalued; hence, Fi PoLR.

Yeah Fi can work like that. But it can also be that Peter doesnt see anything to gain from his family. He certainly treats them like that. Again, I feel its the emphasis on Se thats making it seem like he's oblivious/doesnt care. Ive had experiences with a close SEE friend where this was the case. Theres an understanding of the relationship through Fi, but the behavior isnt checked up with intuition, resulting in brash behavior that comes off as unvalued Fi. But the Fi is there, when Peter goes about repairing/talking about issues he can be rather tactful and sincere. He's shown the capacity to be at least decently skilled w people throughout the series. He just doesnt exercise it as much. I'm also going to re-emphasize his sense of humor here. He jokes EXACTLY like my SEE friend. From how he makes impressions of people, to the physical humor, as well as his crude verbal jokes, and the way he persists in his jokes.


There was an episode I recall where he got a prostate exam by a doctor, which he exaggerated to phenomenal homo-erotic proportions(seeming truly terrified), yet in another episode he's seen naked, undressing Cleveland. I dont know many other types that would act like that LOL

Plus Ive read that See's can be rather corpulent.

Just throwing that out there

Anyhow Im sticking with SEE.

This turned out to be a pretty long discussion for a cartoon show

[thirdeyebrown]

Peter is cleary Se-dominant. He lives off impulse. To say thePirate's analysis of him is irrational is irrational because it was the most rational analysis in this thread. The point is, his Fi becomes apparent only after his Se has kicked in. He's always reflective and sincere after the fact. Also, he's reflective of his experiences, not of possibilities--a big difference between Se and Ne. And Cleveland is totally ISFj...

[717495]

And Cleveland is totally ISFj...

I retyped Cleveland as SEI after I typed him ESI, because he's always talking about what is comforting to his senses, and explaining the moments within moments of current, and taking part in song and musical, in ways others don't. He also takes the role of target clown. I mean, take a look at the new TV series about him. This character is untypeable, so he's not totally anything. But he does correlate mostly to SEI. As far as Peter types, one aspect is to look how Cleveland and he communicate. There is very little conflict, so your typing of ESI with an SEE is reasonable, but I doubt it's the case. This is not the only aspect I used but it certainly is helpful. Most of my opinion is from a strong impression that he's not a type in my quadra.

[Gilly]

To be honest pirate I think your rationale is pretty facile. But it's your opinion, so whatever.

[Krig the Viking]

I think thePirate's analysis makes a lot of sense. Peter Griffin is essentially a carbon copy of Homer Simpson, who I've independantly typed as SEE for similar reasons. Smart SEEs will obviously behave differently from stupid SEEs.

I think we should invent a new dichotomy in socionics: smart vs. stupid. My guess is that it would explain a good number of the differences we see within types.

[Gilly]

Personally I think Homer is IEE, but he shows MUCH more Fi than Peter IMO, even if it is sporadic.

[Brilliand]

I think we should invent a new dichotomy in socionics: smart vs. stupid. My guess is that it would explain a good number of the differences we see within types.

If we're going to do that, we may as well include Male/Female, and add some Reinin dichotomies such as Male XOR Stupid XOR Intuitive. Heh... what dichotomy separates stupid men and smart women from stupid women and smart men?

[jewels]

No way. SLI all the way; if not, then SEI.

yeah I agree. I really liked Brian on the show. I used to wonder if he was SLI, since he has that matter of fact dry thing going on. It's sort of funny having him be a dog when he's so logical. I don't see him being SEI because he isn't very expressive at all, but I guess it's possible.

[717495]

Personally I think Homer is IEE, but he shows MUCH more Fi than Peter IMO, even if it is sporadic.

Yep.

[Krig the Viking]

Now that you mention it, IEE for Homer does make a lot of sense. He's more imaginitive than Peter Griffin.

One of these days I'll have to sit down and watch a bunch of the Simpsons, analytically.

[The Greeter]

I thought IEE for Homer also. Incidentally, an EIE friend of mine despises Homer but is quite all right with Peter. For me, it is the reverse.

[Erk]

Seeing as the creator of family guy is an Alpha, do you think that all the characters are just a representation of everything Alpha would deem rediculous about Gamma? Honestly people, you make it sound like Seth Macfarlane sits down during the creation of each episode and tells his staff "OK GUYS, let's make sure all our characters FIT these "SOCIONICS" profiles exactly, or people won't get the joke."

[DJB28]

Peter Griffin: SEE
Lois Griffin: EIE
Chris Griffin: SEI
Meg Griffin: ESI
Stewie Griffin: LIE
Brian Griffin: ILI

Comparing Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin is interesting.. Peter is basically a 'ripoff' of Homer but there are some important differences.
While I think both of them are SEE types. Homer seems to show more Fi than Peter- enough that for a while I thought Peter was an SLE- but what he lacks in Fi- he lacks remarkably in Ti..

[Name13]

Peter is such an obvious ILE. He's impulsive but he always disregards reality and is constantly comparing the present to the past. That's not Se.

[para]

Mostly going by early seasons as the late ones become a caricature of themselves.

Peter - ILE-Ne
Lois - ESE-Si
Chris - SEI-Si?
Meg - SEI-Fe?
Stewie - LIE-Ni
Brian - LII
Cleveland - SEI-Si
Quagmire - SLE
Joe - LSI

[para]

Actually, Meg isn't SEI. ESI, maybe?