ESE/ESFj Friends with an SLI/ISTp

[wasp]

Damn! You are sweet to ask that, that's a responsible supervisor ay Ok, recommendations (=rules) straight from their dual:
1) Try not to coax reactions out of the SLI
2) Expecting novel ideas and inputs will rather be straining for them
3) Logical analysis always comes paired with realistic, pragmatic attitude, anticipate this
4) Talking about anticipation, SLI is bad at that, so are you, avoid planning and forecasts

huh?

I'd say I think this was copied from an SLI description except that I don't even think this matches up with the descriptions that I've read, let alone what I've observed in the real world. my SLI brother is very much clever and insightful and I don't think this is uncommon among SLIs, like at all, and by that I mean I'm pretty sure this is something they're known to be skilled at. if it isn't a topic they're interested in then they may not care enough to share their input but I think that probably rings true for most people. I don't think they're "bad" at forecasting so much as they just don't care about it. they're generally cool, calm, and collected. for that reason, they're great in "extreme situations". If we're taking socionics into account while making these character assessments, then why would Ni PoLR (assuming Ni = forecasting) care about information pertaining to Ni?

to OP: any social interaction where you feel the need to filter your speech/alter your behavior to appease someone else is not a good interaction. anyone who would require you to go to such lengths to appease them probably isn't someone you wanna hang out with anyway. SLIs are like the prototype for the friend who likes to kick back and shoot the shit, or so I thought, maybe I'm wrong. just be yourself and pay attention to his/her reactions, adjust to them accordingly, as anyone would, but don't feel the need to tiptoe around him/her. that's not fun for anyone.

[Tallmo]

they're generally cool, calm, and collected. for that reason, they're great in "extreme situations".

I don't think that experience shows that SLI is good in extreme situations. Is this statement inspired by MBTI? Anyway, Si base is pretty useless in extreme situations, so wouldn't trust a SLI then. I've looked a little into people who go into extreme situations and I would say that certain SLEs and LSI are very good here. Also SEE, if it's more on the social side. Also some NT types can be good in extreme situations when cold novel thinking is needed.

[wasp]

I don't think that experience shows that SLI is good in extreme situations. Is this statement inspired by MBTI? Anyway, Si base is pretty useless in extreme situations, so wouldn't trust a SLI then. I've looked a little into people who go into extreme situations and I would say that certain SLEs and LSI are very good here. Also SEE, if it's more on the social side. Also some NT types can be good in extreme situations when cold novel thinking is needed.

no, it's not inspired by MBTI. I should've clarified. replace "extreme" with stressful. it's not a matter of tackling the situation head-on through sheer force of will and kicking down any and all obstacles with ease (exaggeration, of course). what I'm describing here is more psychological and internally-driven. so it's not what they can do to impact the situation itself, but rather an internal calmness that makes them sort of impervious to losing composure. they'll casually exit a situation if it's intense and doesn't yield any useful results, which is a strength in and of itself. it described a very specific kind of situation which rang true for what I've observed in the type. if I find it again, I'll post it here. it was very interesting.

this feels like a derail tho

[Tallmo]

what I'm describing here is more psychological and internally-driven. so it's not what they can do to impact the situation itself, but rather an internal calmness that makes them sort of impervious to losing composure. they'll casually exit a situation if it's intense and doesn't yield any useful results, which is a strength in and of itself.

this feels like a derail tho

Yes it's a derail, but all kinds of interesting stuff always jumps in the way. If you put it that way I totally agree with you and I think we both have a similar experience of SLI. But my reaction is that I find this very annoying and I see it as a weakness that they are unable to actually put their whole being into the situation and deal with it. Maybe they could, but they often fade away and escape responsibility. So this is from my alpha perspective...