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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    Hm, interesting. The only factors I have very high behavioral correlation with are factors 4 & 5. Perhaps I'm not as conscientious as I imagine myself to be as almost none of those fit - but how the hell can you go a year without reading a book?? And I'm curious - why not buying a book and not even reading a book and high conscientiousness go together. . . I wonder what that correlation is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Hm, interesting. The only factors I have very high behavioral correlation with are factors 4 & 5. Perhaps I'm not as conscientious as I imagine myself to be as almost none of those fit - but how the hell can you go a year without reading a book?? And I'm curious - why not buying a book and not even reading a book and high conscientiousness go together. . . I wonder what that correlation is about.
    I guess the questions took into account frequency and/or strength of preference. Perhaps the trend with people who score especially high on Conscientiousness is that they only read that which is strictly necessary. Also, if you are the sort of person who buys far more books than they read, that sounds like a trait of low Conscientiousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Hm, interesting. The only factors I have very high behavioral correlation with are factors 4 & 5. Perhaps I'm not as conscientious as I imagine myself to be as almost none of those fit - but how the hell can you go a year without reading a book?? And I'm curious - why not buying a book and not even reading a book and high conscientiousness go together. . . I wonder what that correlation is about.
    They seem to make "Conscientiousness" into a very specific thing about following rules to avoid uncertainty instead of just orderliness and discipline nowadays based on what I've read. Considering that's a common enough trait, it works statistically, but it doesn't really align with the standard use of the word, and I feel like there's quite a bit of a feeling of "people can't have multiple egotistically-useful traits combined!" in there. Successful people tend to be high on Openness and Conscientiousness IMO. I might have to link the study where people are baffled that people who like action films score higher than average on both and the researchers are shocked, but that's just what I'd call the Will to Get Shit Done tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    They seem to make "Conscientiousness" into a very specific thing about following rules to avoid uncertainty .
    That's interesting - as I'd associate that with neuroticism instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    That's interesting - as I'd associate that with neuroticism instead.
    They also say they've found correlations between Neuroticism and Conscientiousness. Considering it's all based on how they slice things up, I'd say that's kind of expected and they're going to find some of that no matter how they slice things up. They say "well, this is the natural way traits are divided, because it's based on language" but that's just begging the question, since people adapt language to mean whatever they need to mean in the first place and it's not "natural" at all. I could even choose questions where Openness, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism all positively correlate. This is also a lot of why I don't really even pay attention to typology including socionics and enneagram. People and things > abstractions that are supposed to be people and things but can't ever replace them because they're abstractions

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