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    Because they have Se. Erotic attitudes are related to irrational functions in the ego block.

    The theory is actually incomplete, there should be erotic attitudes for rational (base) functions too, because they modulate the person's response to the environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Because they have Se. Erotic attitudes are related to irrational functions in the ego block.

    The theory is actually incomplete, there should be erotic attitudes for rational (base) functions too, because they modulate the person's response to the environment.
    yes but discussing about these issues, they always consider irrational functions also for "who takes initiative first"; in many places I have seen the saying that "LIEs don't take initiative in sex" because of Si PoLR, they also say that LIEs feel they are ugly and don't really like themselves, too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, add as needed. But then it writes LIE is the active partner while ESI keeps relations from stagnation. Something doesn't sound right to me here. LIE is also obviously the one who takes initiative in becoming friends with ESI. It all sounds too "unsure".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Because they have Se. Erotic attitudes are related to irrational functions in the ego block.

    The theory is actually incomplete, there should be erotic attitudes for rational (base) functions too, because they modulate the person's response to the environment.
    And what I mean is how exactly does their Se ego (ESIs) affect them in their behavior so that they are considered aggressors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHiddenJack View Post
    And what I mean is how exactly does their Se ego (ESIs) affect them in their behavior so that they are considered aggressors.
    Yes you're right, socionics is a descriptive theory (as Jung created his functions based on behavioral descriptions) and thus we do not have a clear answer as to "why someone behaves in such a way due to being Se ego".

    I can't help you with this But I agree that ESI show a lot of "caretaking" behaviors in the lexical non-socionics sense. Especially subtypes who are less strong on Se.
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    She also likes a man who thinks quickly on his feet and shows mental acuity. If you have all of these characteristics, then, there is no doubt, that she will make you marry her sufficiently quickly, because DREISERKA is a girl marked by drive and determination; she follows through with her goals. And she never steps back from her purpose.
    LIE and EIE can sporadically display good usage of Se, but ultimately strength in the 2D functions are weak and all for show. Once you know the Hidden Agenda and Role functions of a type not much will appear contradictory in the descriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    The theory is actually incomplete, there should be erotic attitudes for rational (base) functions too, because they modulate the person's response to the environment.
    This sounds like you have already thought about how those rational functions influence the romance styles.
    Could you expand on that?
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