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    In Shocker, Deficit Explodes Yet Again Under Republican Rule

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...publican-rule/

    As usual, Republicans have no problem with deficit spending when it comes to giving tax cuts to the rich. They only have a problem with spending money when it comes to helping people who are not billionaires.

    But hey, teachers got an additional $1.50/week, so they can't complain, right?

    Watch what they do, not what they say. Some people will lie to you straight to your face.

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    Mother Jones is a controversial publication. Kooky.

    "Mother Jones, which is based in San Francisco, was founded by Mr. Hochschild and others in 1976 as a muckraking magazine of the left that was named in honor of Mary Harris (Mother) Jones, a militant union organizer and Socialist who died in 1930 at the age of 100."

    "The editor, Michael Moore , said he was dismissed in early September, after four months on the job, in large part because he opposed the publication of an article critical of the Government of Nicaragua."

    "Mr. Moore said that he opposed the article because it was untrue, not because it was critical, and because its appearance in Mother Jones could be used by the Reagan Administration against the Sandinistas. The article is scheduled for publication in December, according to Mr. Hochschild."

    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/27/us...al-debate.html

    "'...to say it lost its way would be an understatement,” said Gavin Bard, a writer from Philadelphia.

    'I know a lot of labor-focused leftists really turned on it when its treatment of… interns came to light, but that isn’t the only thing. It just feels like over the last eight years or so there was this conscious shift from the publication being an aggressive investigative outlet to just another cog in the Democratic machine’s corporate center,” he added"


    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...ther-jone.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    Mother Jones is a controversial publication. Kooky.

    "Mother Jones, which is based in San Francisco, was founded by Mr. Hochschild and others in 1976 as a muckraking magazine of the left that was named in honor of Mary Harris (Mother) Jones, a militant union organizer and Socialist who died in 1930 at the age of 100."

    "The editor, Michael Moore , said he was dismissed in early September, after four months on the job, in large part because he opposed the publication of an article critical of the Government of Nicaragua."

    "Mr. Moore said that he opposed the article because it was untrue, not because it was critical, and because its appearance in Mother Jones could be used by the Reagan Administration against the Sandinistas. The article is scheduled for publication in December, according to Mr. Hochschild."

    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/27/us...al-debate.html

    "'...to say it lost its way would be an understatement,” said Gavin Bard, a writer from Philadelphia.

    'I know a lot of labor-focused leftists really turned on it when its treatment of… interns came to light, but that isn’t the only thing. It just feels like over the last eight years or so there was this conscious shift from the publication being an aggressive investigative outlet to just another cog in the Democratic machine’s corporate center,” he added"


    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...ther-jone.html
    Are you saying that you value information based on the reputation of the source? (Not a Ti-user.) Or are you using the disparaging comments regarding a publication to cast doubt on the historical record of deficits?

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    Scholars Say Mother Jones Distorted Their Research For Anti-Homeless Article

    "At the very least, it seems that if researchers cited by a magazine object that their findings have been radically distorted, to the point where the research is cited to support a conclusion that the research actually negates, that requires a more serious response than the one Jeffery produced here."

    ...Mother Jones' Report A Lie

    "So is the Mother Jones piece a cheap shot? “It’s not a cheap shot...It’s a lie.”

    The thing is, he argues, no U.S. correspondents ever claimed to be on the ground in the Falklands, but they still may legitimately claim to have covered the war — albeit from Buenos Aires and other non-Falklands locales. “We were sent down there to cover the Falklands war. How else am I supposed to label it? And when you have people shooting guns, that’s combat. There isn’t any distinction to be made because I’ve never said that I was on the islands or that there was any action in that capacity. All I did was tell people what I did, and 100 percent of that is true. If you want to distort what I’ve said, as Corn does, then that is irresponsible, and that is a lie.'"


    What Mother Jones Missed In Its Hit Piece About Me

    Mother Jones Smears Liberal Talk Show Host For Daring To Interview 'Alt-Right' Figures

    I'm not saying the News Article Adam posted or the conclusions he Ne/Fi mirrored from the article is necessarily fake news, but Mother Jones's history of fake news, which includes distorting research by serious academics and think tanks, certainly increases the probability of it being fake news.

    In making your evaluation of the article, take into consideration the publication's past character/habit for spin, distortion, etc.
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    Regarding the other conversation below, I don't know what I think about all this crap at this point.

    I think the United States has always been multi-racial and multi-cultural. However, I am not sure it has ever been a melting pot. There is some melting and some disparity. And I do agree that you can see a "white culture" that anyone pale/Caucasian looking can phase in and out of, or be absorbed entirely by--that this has been the dominant culture and it hasn't really "melted" all that much with the other cultures, though there are various sub-cultures it tends to be more accepting of than not (which includes some religious orientations).

    And I have no idea how we can all live together, or how anything can ever matter more than what "race" we are. That vision to me, seems more and more impossible, the more I learn. My ideal of transcending race seems like a pipe dream. Honestly, if that's all we can be before anything else--a race--I just don't want to be around people. I hate the generalizations. I hate the denial of the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Some people are deliberately stupid. Not born stupid. Not accidentally stupid. Deliberately stupid.

    There is a good explanation for why some people parrot the bullshit they’ve heard from people whom they see as authorities, rather than investigating the truth of any matter based on objective evidence. For most of human evolution, identification with a group conferred greater survival benefits than knowledge of objective truths.

    People can signal their identification with a group by wearing certain clothes or symbols or by repeating certain catch phrases. The truth or falsehood of their catch phrases is not the point. The point is to publicly identify with a group which they feel will protect them. The fact that they often know that what they are saying is untrue can be proven by tests where they are asked which belief is actually true, and are offered money for a correct answer. In such tests, people’s responses grow much closer to objectively provable facts. In these cases, the prospect of immediate rewards trumps the more tenuous benefits of group membership.

    I swear to god, the discovery and application of the scientific method was the greatest advance humans have made in their long history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I hope that such people are in a minority and not being representative for the entire population of the land.

    Because democracy only functions properly if the number of sane people outweights the number of morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    I hope that such people are in a minority and not being representative for the entire population of the land.

    Because democracy only functions properly if the number of sane people outweights the number of morons.

    You're pretty optimistic!

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