My ILI friend sometimes expresses exasperation about how I tend to discuss things with my LII friend. A particularly stand-out comment was when she once said "Oh my god, you just keep repeating the same things for hours". Without going too much into details, to us alphas in that particular instance it was an exploration of different, if nuanced, aspects of the problem, and validation that changing those aspects does (or sometimes does not) significantly alter the outcome. To the ILI friend, it was a torture by one thousand cuts, as she didn't see what was to be gained by such mental experimentation.