am i napoleon or huxley
tell me what i am pls
pls specify why
- SEE ESFp
- IEE ENFp
am i napoleon or huxley
tell me what i am pls
pls specify why
Last edited by Grendel; 10-09-2016 at 04:43 PM.
No idea but the witty title fascinates me.
Which probably means: Ne!
...I'll vote Huxley.
Such a cute thread. Um, out of the choices, IEE. But do you really have 4D Fe? I wouldn't know... I can't even tell what it is in myself, I must just be a natural at it. I do believe you've got at least 2D Fi, the way you converse gives a very introspective feel at the very least like you do prioritize your inner experience over trying to fit in where it doesn't seem natural. But at the same time you seem way to have a more than basic grasp of knowing how to defend yourself argumentatively and pay attention to whether or not what a person is saying isn't bullshit, though anyone could be proficient with that given enough practice I suppose. It's just that with Ti polrs there seems to be, even by my own standards, one too many loopholes and fallacies in the way they try to convince me of something.. would this be attributed to living in Southern California where people party instead of learn mental skills? I wonder how you feel about your Te though. Also I would think you're intuitive the way you speak, being more allusive than being more blunt and straightforward (not desiring effect as much as meaning?)
edit: sorry I always add stuff after people reply x3 i just throw out there the next relevant thought in my head after I get at least one idea down...
Last edited by chrys; 10-10-2016 at 01:57 AM.
Dimensions aside, I thought there was a difference between Id and Ego functions -- an -lead might feel more compelled to abide by the social norms of , but a -Demonstrative might only appeal to it when it benefits him -- the Demonstrative being a "Secondary Weapon" to the Creative, if you will. I'll express emotions if stressed, but as you've seen I care less about the social atmosphere for its own sake. And I definitely don't value Ti+.
I could be wrong though.
[maximum passive-aggression]
wy tho
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Maybe it's because Shiver shat on me in the chatbox for expressing an innocuous opinion without being able to defend it, then put me on ignore. I can't imagine a Logical would let something like that get to them the way I still am. A -valuer would be able to defend himself too, I was just sitting there silent with no real counterargument.
The HA is tricky: wanting to be loved vs. wanting to understand everything.I wonder how you feel about your Te though. Also I would think you'
Needless to say, I share your need to edit retroactively.
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@Alioth logicals have feelings too, just like ethicals can use logic. I don't see that as being what logic vs. ethics is about but then I'm a heretic. Mostly I say ILE based on quadras, Reinins, intertype relations, and all that other heretical stuff.
bump'd
i do not care that bumping a thread does next to nothing on this subforum
i am narcissist
i demand collegiate dissertations on what i am
NOW
Hi. My thoughts have been in the ILE/IEE area but both seem a little off and it's all nebulous/vibey. Post more for fleshed out responses? Tell us a lil about yourself. Maybe you filled out a questionnaire somewhere (those don't work as well for me as natural interaction but probably wouldn't hurt).
Based on the title of the thread alone, I voted IEE. But I don't know if you truly are IEE. I don't know you well enough to know your type for sure.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
imma try resurrect this since i have a slightly greater reputation here now
no, just close it m8. ILE.
Can you expose your existence in some form of video encoding uploaded to Youtube for example (no adult sites, please)?
Just by reading your comments you tend to put aside Ti information. I'd exclude Ti-ego.
Do you have Napoleonic tendencies? Like you think you could lead society towards some desperate ILI vision?
I think extrtatim it is anyways.
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I posted a VI selfie in chatbox and still got Alpha NT for some reason. May post it again.
Be specific. I put aside information that's vague and unsubstantiated.Just by reading your comments you tend to put aside Ti information. I'd exclude Ti-ego.
Maybe if I could make them listen to me. Agreed on extrotrim.Do you have Napoleonic tendencies? Like you think you could lead society towards some desperate ILI vision?
I think extrtatim it is anyways.
It is very clear that your Fi trumps Ti. What you value seems to rule based on your writings. It is not about being bad at it. You have absorbed the system very well.
There are other SEEs who do it amazingly well and can apply it well beyond factual level.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
Examples? You're regurgitating the same thing you said in your last post. Give any kind of example or go into any level of detail to justify it, or don't bother repeating yourself at all.
Whatever information element anyone "values" will most certainly reign supreme in their writing. Come on, this sentence is like saying "it is what it is" and trying to pass it off as insight.What you value seems to rule based on your writings. It is not about being bad at it. You have absorbed the system very well.
Unlike some people here.There are other SEEs who do it amazingly well and can apply it well beyond factual level.
So...I take it no one has any nuanced, detailed responses to offer? Nothing of substance?
Some expertise you guys have. No wonder this place is such a backwater mess.
@Alioth this place is. But you are too I mean you've been here almost a year and you still can't type yourself? That's so cute!
@Alioth
You should read the post I made on Fi polr here and see if you relate:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1133859
To the polr shit, kinda (more to the ILE than the SLE though I suspect I'm a Sensor). But I don't feel like I have a proficient handle on logic either. My thought is extremely object-oriented (save for my verbal processes which are more procedure-oriented, but I developed that very early in life) and I make countless careless mistakes due to overlooking finer details in favor of the holistic - which sounds like textbook Ti polr. Whenever I create, it's experimenting with methods that others have developed, or shoehorning tried-and-true methods into my own creative process, never my own genesis of a new logical idea.
Also I identify more with this guy's description of Te than of Ti. I'm very results-oriented when it comes to projects, to the point of rarely starting a new project of my own accord unless I'm fairly certain my efforts will come to fruition:
And it also seems like you're seeing my apparent emotional ineptitude and immediately linking it to a perceived polr instead of looking at other features in the context, which I think is a common confounding factor and an elephant in the room of sorts in peoples' typings of me - probably why I'm not getting a lot of fleshed-out answers either.
No one can accurately type himself. You need outsiders to evaluate you objectively, otherwise your own mental biases, some of which you may be unaware, will muddy your evaluation.
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@Alioth It doesn't matter how much other people say or how much logic and reason gets spoonfed to you. At the end of the day, you with all of your mental biases will have the final say. So if you want to get to the bottom of it faster, I suggest you train your thinking to get through it now, not endlessly request for the help of others. Otherwise you'll be like people who have been here since 2005 who still feel the need to waffle on their typing.
From what I have seen your posts tend to go for shock value, like you said: "I instantly create a slew of enemies upon entering the arena. I don't even need to say or do anything either, it just happens the instant I step in."
This strongly suggests an Se valuing type, and probably Beta.
@thehotelambush Seriously? This is a really superficial and stereotypical way of typing. Is that something you've seen me, and most of the other Se egos on this forum say? Care to pull up a quote if you think that's the case?
Have you ever talked to Alioth 1-1, or even in the shoutbox?
*Glares at your join date*
@Singularity always on the ready to reinforce stupidity I see. You my friend can't even say you have a solid understanding of the IEs.
Stop sign. Because the question is a put in a Se way - what the symbol for the type looks like, externally, vs. a Ne, which would give you ideas and theories about how the type(s) operate. (@Chae - yes, its witty, and appealing to us as something "new", and we appreciate new and different, but Se's wit more likely to be based on external realities than internal ideas).
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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^ @Alioth I reiterate, you are going to need to learn the system yourself and also think for yourself on here. In requesting forum members participate, you're just going to receive more misguided bullshit to sort through than anything truly helpful. You're asking for something impossible here, which is for people to be rational. You'll be practicing introspection more and learning something from it. Don't be lazy.
"Dorito or stop sign" is Alpha "infantile" humor in trying to be clever about what the symbols look like () while not taking them seriously at all as a source of humor (). It doesn't match Delta humor obviously since Delta has rather different quadra values, never mind all the differing Reinins of the different individual types just due to changing the creative functions that accompany the lead (Process vs. Result, Positivist vs. Negativist, Constructivist vs. Emotivist etc.). This is why I have the whole "do IEs exist?" thing.
Role . He mostly values being witty and comical for no particular identifiable reason, and "slew of enemies upon entering the arena" is an extremely light and whimsical thing to say (Judicious, Merry, Democratic). These two lines come off as Alpha as it gets, really, if you've heard Alphas talk. The last sentence could just as easily come from an SEI or ESE as an ILE or LII, but I don't think you'd hear any of the self-identified Betas, Gammas, or Deltas on this forum word things quite like that even if they're expressing the same sentiment.Originally Posted by thehotelambush
@Wyrd I agree, the title itself is quite an indicator. Sounds eerily like something I'd come up with I would've called them nacho or bagel.
Ne-ILE for Alioth IMO. I notice a strong similarity between me and him in mindset and general beliefs. However, his logic is definitely too strong for him to be an ethical type. At least compared to myself and other IEEs.
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This isn't humor. That's probably the most objective way I can describe what I'm actually experiencing. If people treated me better I wouldn't feel the need to highlight it. I do not need to open my mouth, I do not need to step in anyone's way, they just feel my vibe in the air like irrepressible rays of gamma radiation and instantly despise me for it.
I could rattle out a million analogies to try and nail the general idea into your head, but perhaps it's wasted on you if you're going to construe my real experiences as some tryhard edgelord's attempts at poetry. It's a very real struggle for me and I reserve every right to bitch about it until it somehow ceases.
If you must know...the "reason" I do this is often because it's the best contribution I feel confident to make.
Granted, there's a bit of embellishment, but the main idea to take away is that most people hate me on sight and they do a very bad job of hiding it, because even a person as inept as myself can see right through it. I can't go anywhere without somehow inspiring hatred in everyone and everything I meet for no reason I can identify. Now if you want to say tendencies conducive to this are Alphan, you may have a case, but you'd be hard-pressed to say I'm pulling my perception of this out of my ass. Because that's basically how I go from day to day. And it's hell.and "slew of enemies upon entering the arena" is an extremely light and whimsical thing to say (Judicious, Merry, Democratic). These two lines come off as Alpha as it gets, really, if you've heard Alphas talk. The last sentence could just as easily come from an SEI or ESE as an ILE or LII, but I don't think you'd hear any of the self-identified Betas, Gammas, or Deltas on this forum word things quite like that even if they're expressing the same sentiment.
@Alioth you make everyone want to stroke your hair and hold you to their chest in a hover hug.
You should read some of Avalonia's posts in this thread. He's LII. His style of writing and expression of his emotional state sounds a lot like yours: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ith-Depression
except you're being a million times more annoying because you're being so stubborn and demanding, omfg.
Alioth, I am not finding you annoying at all. Maybe when you consider types you could consider that at least one SLE finds you annoying and at least one IEE does not. Because we are all highly annoying to some types, and comfortable or amazing to others... Probably most people do not hate you on sight, either. Your world just might be overpopulated with types that view your type that way, and when you think about it, you realize there are people in your life who don't react to you that way.
Also, The Psychologist says that when you have unresolved issues with key people from your younger years, you can seek out approval/friendship with the same types to resolve the issues... (so you keep that difficult person in your life, vicariously).
Sometimes you even MARRY that type. I have seen this too much!
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........
"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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