Is Clive Owen ESI?

[Zero]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OuNwvNCJZxc
His facial expressions look very much ESI to me. What do you think?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6k9yxsFCOJs

[Sol]

extravert

[Zero]

extravert

Why?

[Sol]

Why?

intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior

[Zero]

intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior

What does Intuitive impressions even mean? I don't think even a person with a degree in socionics can say something like that by watching a 5 minute video. I know ESIs professionaly typed who have the exact same expressions.

[Sol]

What does Intuitive impressions even mean?

dictionary should help

[Arcadea]

ISTp is my guess

[Zero]

ISTp is my guess

Why? None of the ISTps I have met do those microexpressions he does. Their speaking tone isvery monotonous and they have a solid expression.

[Arcadea]

Why? None of the ISTps I have met do those microexpressions he does. Their speaking tone isvery monotonous and they have a solid expression.

My next guess would be ESTj, but I see him as Si/Ne & Te/Fi valuing. I don't go by expressions but rather by what they say and what's behind it.

[Zero]

My next guess would be ESTj, but I see him as Si/Ne & Te/Fi valuing. I don't go by expressions but rather by what they say and what's behind it.

Hmm can you please give me an example? An interview or a quote or so

[Arcadea]

Hmm can you please give me an example? An interview or a quote or so

To me, Si-dominants have no problem keeping the harmony between them and another person, which is exactly what he does. I think with Si-dominants, you can see the ball bouncing going back and forth between them and another person very clearly and with ease. The difference between the ISxp's is that one will be reaching for their Hidden Agenda functions (Ti or Fi). From there, it's either Fi: attraction/repulsion and building interpersonal relationships or Ti: comparability of objects based on objective qualities (like metaphors), but neither H.A. slips out as easily as it will if they were somebody's dominant function.

That's my take on it, and really I just typed him based on my knowledge of the system so hopefully it was clear what I was trying to say and possibly food for thought.

[lynn]

i don't really have an opinion on his type, but he reminds me very much of an ILI i know, both in his manner of speaking and facial expressions.

edit: definitely not ESI.

[Zero]

i don't really have an opinion on his type, but he reminds me very much of an ILI i know, both in his manner of speaking and facial expressions.

edit: definitely not ESI.

Can you give reasons for why you don't think of him as ESI?

[Adam Strange]

So I read above about the possibility that Clive Owen might be ILI instead of ESI, and in browsing the internets, I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju6dTm0xs-o

Now, I know a few ILI's, and one owns a '68 Shelby Mustang with a 390 engine, roll cage, and five point harness, and the other three own late model BMW's (the Ultimate Driving Machine, donchanoe). I am convinced this is because ILI's have DS-Se.

Now, take a close look at the attached BMW commercial and the driver, Clive Owen. He has REAL Se, and he is using it to impress a very tough SEE blonde. (Note that she gets wet in the end ).
I'd say that BMW knows who their customers are.
(Incidentally, the real ILI's in the commercial are the bodyguards. At least the big guy is ILI. The slightly smaller bodyguard might be ILI or SLI.)

The male ESI's that I know either drive something anonymous (they don't have to show off) or they drive a racing bike.

[Zero]

So I read above about the possibility that Clive Owen might be ILI instead of ESI, and in browsing the internets, I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju6dTm0xs-o

Now, I know a few ILI's, and one owns a '68 Shelby Mustang with a 390 engine, roll cage, and five point harness, and the other three own late model BMW's (the Ultimate Driving Machine, donchanoe). I am convinced this is because ILI's have DS-Se.

Now, take a close look at the attached BMW commercial and the driver, Clive Owen. He has REAL Se, and he is using it to impress a very tough SEE blonde. (Note that she gets wet in the end ).
I'd say that BMW knows who their customers are.
(Incidentally, the real ILI's in the commercial are the bodyguards. At least the big guy is ILI. The slightly smaller bodyguard might be ILI or SLI.)

The male ESI's that I know either drive something anonymous (they don't have to show off) or they drive a racing bike.

I think your take on it is veeery Ni but I agree 100% about ESIs driving something anonymous or a race bike! But it is good that you read so much into it and thank you for the link also

[Adam Strange]

I think your take on it is veeery Ni but I agree 100% about ESIs driving something anonymous or a race bike! But it is good that you read so much into it and thank you for the link also

You are the first person on this forum to say they see any Ni in me at all.

I'm not sure what they are expecting, but thank you very much!

Hey, @Persephone, are you listening?

[Persephone]

You are the first person on this forum to say they see any Ni in me at all.

I'm not sure what they are expecting, but thank you very much!

Hey, @Persephone, are you listening?

[Zero]

You are the first person on this forum to say they see any Ni in me at all.

I'm not sure what they are expecting, but thank you very much!

Hey, @Persephone, are you listening?

Well you just connected a BMW commercial to your friend who has a BMW to Clive Owen being ILI, if that is not Ni, I don't know what is

[Myst]

You are the first person on this forum to say they see any Ni in me at all.

Not the first person, I said it before. =)

[darya]

ESI makes sense for him. He's hot btw.

[Exodus]

I actually do think he is probably ESI, not that anyone has provided an actual argument in this thread.



He resolutely resists Rose's (EIE) attempts to dominate or direct the conversation, even interrupting him at times. He is quite emotionally closed except for when he wants to be, gives a lot of very curt responses. Praises Cuaron for his unadorned portrayal of the truth, his authenticity and dislike of sentimentality -- Fi and Te > Fe. Relatively confident about making Ni evaluations, and seems to value it: "sold him on his vision" a very "particular" one. Also decided to be an actor at a very early age and never wavered from it. Downplays his own role in the project, doesn't really seek to be a "star", wants to work with good people. "I've always been tough about saying yes and no" -- knows what he likes and doesn't like and stubbornly adheres to it.

Interestingly he says he doesn't have any ambition other than to continue doing what he's been doing -- maybe a sign of vulnerable Ne.

[Zero]

Here's a discussion about the type of a character in a movie he played, but they also discussed a little what his type could be as well:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...en-of-Men-quot

He seems Te/Fi valuing to me. Reading some of his quotes, I think he seems more Delta than Gamma.

Thank you for your response. I think he is Te/Fi valuing also but he seems like an ESI overall