The tritype of "triple doubt," the "introverted 6"...? That seems unlikely. 6 core I can see easily, but 4 fix I question heavily.Originally Posted by Arachne
Something about her reminds me of Milla Jovovich (possibly both of em being positive 9-fixed 6w7 SEE's).
She does seem e6w7, and SEE, too, probably. I like her furniture and her use of space.
She has another video called "It's Over", in which she agonizes about increasingly unlikely disasters. I had no idea that people worried like that.
One-to-one
this is something like 6w5 sp/so - population control and engineering conspiracy theories
"mind control cyber cages" spooky stuff
6w5
I don't like guessing games
Or when I feel things
Before I know the feelings
How am I supposed to operate
If I'm just tossed around by fate?
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
6w5
Feat. E4
Tell me what if I'm bound for disaster?
What if I fall off the cliff?
Will I ever just learn how to live
and not wonder what if?
What if?
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
Oh, mirror in the sky
What is love?
Can the child within my heart rise above
Can I sail through the changing ocean tides
Can I handle the seasons of my life
Well, I've been afraid of changin'
'Cause I built my life around you
But time makes you bolder
Children get older
I'm getting older too
can I do this or that/am I strong enough for this/can I handle this=6
Disintegration to 3
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
a 6 supervising unhealthy 3s
Awesome description I just came across today that mentions things I haven't seen elsewhere
http://enneagramsubtypes.weebly.com/6-wings.html
I feel vaguely infantilized by the 6w7 description, but it's pretty much all true...
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
It’s a really accurate description of an ESI-Se whom I know and really like. It saddens me a bit because it implies that she won’t settle down. With me.
You’d think that LIE-ESI and 8w7 - 6w7 would be great, and to be honest, the chemistry is deep and wide. I actually told her she’s just about perfect. But she’s like an easily spooked horse, no matter how solid I am.
Something I've noticed is that my 6 tendencies directly correlate with my overall level of self-confidence. If I feel overall good about things, the 6w7 spookedness drops considerably. Meanwhile, if my sense of self/my positive self-identity is threatened, it flares up considerably. If someone displays a lot of visible 6w7 behavior, it may well be a manifestation of other problems in their life. Anger, regret, sadness--6s convert most of these emotions into anxiety. I'm not mad, I'm extremely frustrated and worried that someone's going to continue with their incredibly destructive behavior and the consequences therein oh wait I am mad. I don't feel guilty, I feel anxious that I will continue making poor decisions. I'm not sad, I'm worried I won't be happy again.It’s a really accurate description of an ESI-Se whom I know and really like. It saddens me a bit because it implies that she won’t settle down. With me.
You’d think that LIE-ESI and 8w7 - 6w7 would be great, and to be honest, the chemistry is deep and wide. I actually told her she’s just about perfect. But she’s like an easily spooked horse, no matter how solid I am.
I think what 6w7s need the most is to feel like they are capable of handling the negative consequences of what life throws at them. 6s assume that they can't do that, hence anxiety. Promote the 6's intrinsic strength: "The worst case scenario happens? You can handle it. You're smart and you can figure things out". Provide evidence. Walk them through solutions to the "what if" rather than saying the "what if" won't happen.
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
@Stellafera, Thank you very much for writing that.
Mr Gold
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Excerpt from:ENNEATYPE VI: COWARDICE
Surely fear has been known in all ages. The description that I know that most approaches a technical description, as a result of the context within which it occurs, is the coward in Theophrastus’s characters.
After defining cowardice as “a certain deficiency of spirit caused by fear,” Theophrastus describes the coward to us as the person who when he makes a voyage:
…confuses the coastal cliffs with pirate ships and from the moment the sea gets rough asks the crew if they have experience in sailing… He tells the person sitting next to him that he had a dream involving bad omens the previous night… and finally begs to be disembarked. In the course of a military expedition, and when the infantry enters into combat…, he says to his comrades that with all the haste he has forgotten his sword; he runs back to his tent and hides his sword under the pillow and lets a long time pass as if he were looking for it… If he sees a friend being brought back wounded, he runs to him, encourages him and puts his friend’s arm over his own shoulder and helps carry him. He then attends him and cleans the blood from his wounds and, seated at his bedside, swats away the flies. In other words, he does everything apart from fighting against the enemy. When the trumpet sounds the call to arms, he protests, seated in the tent, saying: ‘Go take a walk, don’t you see you aren’t letting this poor man sleep due to the racket you are making.’ Covered in the blood of the other man, he leaves the tent to go in search of the soldiers who are returning from the battlefield and tells them he has saved one of their comrades, as if he had put his own life in danger.
Though Theophrastus could not make the mistake of omitting the coward in his gallery of aberrant characters, Enneatype VI is related not only to cowardice, but also to superstition (a theme of another of his characters) as an element that is particularly associated with the openly fearful individual, in comparison with the aggressive and rigid variants of this enneatype. Theophrastus is aware of the connection between superstition and fear when he says: “Superstition might simply be cowardice with respect to the supernatural.”
Examples of the contraphobic form of the suspicious character are Captain Ahab in Moby Dick and Macbeth, who lives on guard against imaginary attacks due to his secret guilt. These are combative people who generally do not know that there is fear in their combativeness and their pugnacity, and who appear to others to be moved by extraordinary bravery.
Another form of distrustful character, which I have called the “Prussian character,” is typical of those who act according to hierarchical terms, with an implicit fear of not doing their duty or what a certain code, ideology, or faith requires. This kind of individual is usually called a true believer, a fanatic. While others doubt, they protect themselves against doubt like Quixotes, who attract the attention of the “Sanchos” in particular since, from the latters’ viewpoint, they are raving lunatics.
The fear of making mistakes, which in the timid manifests as excessive submission, evasion of the responsibility of deciding, hesitation and excessive caution, and which in the strong—contraphobic—manifests as aggres-sivity, here leads to an obsessive devotion to grandiose ideals.
The principal defect behind the emotional climate of suspicion is what could be called “self-demonization”: self-accusation that implies a guilty view of oneself. The actual fear is implicitly a fear of transgression, of guilt, of punishment and condemnation that implies going beyond what is prescribed by a tacit authority in the inner world.
It may be said that the merging of authority and accusation in this character constitutes a bad authority, an aggressive authority that is opposed to the good of the subject and points to a defense mechanism described by Anna Freud as “identification with the aggressor”; namely, to defend oneself from external aggression by incorporating it. So as not to be in dissonance with it, these individuals assume the judgment of the accuser in an act that results in complete self-squelching.
By way of complementing the dramatic descriptions from literature and psychopathology, here are some humorous vignettes. As an illustration of the hesitating, suspicious type, there is the story that says when you meet a Galician on the stairs, you never know if he is going up or down, and this type replies suspiciously to whoever questions: “And why do you wish to know that?” The caricature of the strong, suspicious (contraphobic) character is Popeye, with his invulnerability, his muscles, and pop-eyes (from which his name obviously proceeds).
Among the Italian masks, Captain Spavento is determined to show how handsome, powerful, fearful, and above all, how brave he is. In contrast with others, he does not wear a mask, but does have a ferocious expression, as well as a turned-up mustache that seems to “punch holes in the sky.” He says he is a great soldier, but in fact he is a braggart, who prefers telling imaginary tales of battles to actually fighting. He is known by different names: Iron Spitter, Big Bombardier, Fire Blood, Moor Slayer, Captain Crocodile.
The Enneagram of Society: Healing the Soul to Heal the World
by Claudio Naranjo
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
6w5 so/sx the 'darksider' sx subtype ExTx
Can you explain your reasoning for this typing?
I was inquiring about the song, not the artist. In my view, MJK is LII.
I'm not going through a bizarre loophole just to see your posts.
You want to make your thoughts more accessible? Stop deleting your content.
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Phobic 6 (fix) moving to 9
Quoting a woman I know of:
I know the importance of feeling your feelings & they dissipate when they're ready & also to have no resistance. Today I implemented not having resistance & it was great. Yesterday I let my anxiety about going to the doctor get the better of me. Recently I've had a big anxiety fear about getting a pap (haven't had one since January 2016 after my gyno retired) because it seems everywhere I go all I hear is cancer cancer cancer. I feel like I can't watch TV without seeing the cervical cancer commercial. My paranoia wasn't about HPV since I know most people have it, it was because 5 years ago I had a pre-cancerous lesion & had the laser surgery....my paps were fine after that but lately I've been feeling terrified & paranoid that it may have come back while I haven't had a pap in 2 & a half years. When I think or hear about medical issues of that nature, I get extremely light-headed, have shortness of breath & almost collapse. I have always been this way. When I was younger in health class, hearing about medical issues in detail made me white as a sheet, my ears ringing, & about to pass out. It's not easy for me, it's a big anxiety trigger. But this morning, after having felt all my feelings the night before, I felt totally different. I made the appointment this morning. My appointment is first thing in the morning just how I wanted so that I wouldn't have to wait all day, July 14th. I discovered that my fear was actually calling to make an appointment!!After doing so, I no longer felt the anxiety about it. I love how having no resistance helped me to follow through with it when I didn't know how I was going to get to that point. I encourage anyone going through any sort of emotional difficulty, especially anxiety, to fully surrender to it & practice having no resistance. It works!
Type 6's anxiety can attach to anything. Phobic 6s can be afraid of anything. Imagine the most laughable thing, some phobic 6 out there is phobic of it.
In contrast, the anxiety of 5 is focused on: not having enough knowledge or expertise to deal with the world; being intruded upon; having no space or time for themselves, etc.
And the anxiety of 7 is focused on: running out of options, possibilities; experiencing pain and feelings of loss; loss of (perceived) freedom, etc.
But with 6, their fear and anxiety is much more far-reaching and way less specific.
So if you suffer from generalized anxiety (disorder), you are probably 6 core or fix.
Most phobias are unhealthy 6 (fix) af.
Eh, no.
1) Any type can have their phobias (I have phobias of bees, wasps, needles etc)
2) Phobias are not "unhealthy" 6. People at average and even healthy levels can still have their phobias; what matters is the intensity and preoccupation with instead.
Unhealthy 6: "The world is out to get me." Paranoia. Hyper-vigilance. Focus on rapid mobilization, if necessary. "Caught in a trap." Feeling persecuted. Preparation for possible attacks and catastrophes. Imagining the worst-case scenarios. Scary Kopfkino in overdrive. Friends turn into potential foes. "No one can be trusted." Counterphobic: lashes out. Phobic: lashes in.
Quoting another woman with a phobic 6 fix (could be core and Sx first):
FEAR!!! Today I realized how much fear is running my life. Fear of the unknown, fear of being hurt, fear of truly being seen, heard and understood. Fear or rejection, fear of abandonment, fear of actually getting what I want. Fear of making the same mistakes over again, fear of ignoring the red flags AGAIN. Fear of mistaking attachment for true connection. As a result of this fear, I cope with it by constantly looking backwards. It’s safe, it’s known, it’s become more comfortable for me to obsess and long over something that happened vs being excited about what could happen next. Fear is keeping me stuck and frankly, it’s kicking my ass!!! It’s keeping me paralyzed in the past.
I don't know if that was your phone but the phoneholder could've mentioned advice that would've helped the guy imo, lets hope they did
6w5 so/sp (Te/Fi) - Denzel Washington
More like 5 moving to 8
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