try to type me, likely istx )

[Mr inappropriate]

I'm cutting through the hey im new guy and introduction and bla bla and ask for your opinions. Would appreciate feedback, thanks !

40Q Philosophical Questionnaire

1. Is it worse to fail at something or never attempt it in the first place?

Depends at the consequences of failure. If there isnt much to lose from failure, your regret will be much hurtful than failing and whatever feeling associated with failing.

2. If you could choose just one thing to change about the world, what would it be?

Its shape. I would make it rectrangular. Whole reconstruction of phyics, fun to watch.

3. To what extent do you shape your own destiny, and how much is down to fate?

%99 fate or luck. Things that we can control is like the size of football in a stadium where the stadium is shit we can't control.

4. What happens after we die?

Hope I will never find out.

5. Should people care more about doing the right thing, or doing things right?

In general? I dont care. Give me a specific case and I'll tell you what to do.

6. What one piece of advice would you offer to a newborn infant?

Ignore the limitations superficially set by your immediate surrounding. You are more capable than what they tell you.

7. Where is the line between insanity and creativity?

One should have a positive affect on your life; other one, negative.

8. What is true happiness?

Serotonin.

9. What things hold you back from doing the things that you really want to?

Laws, social pressure, super-ego related anxiety, physical short-comings of human body.

10. What makes you, you?

lol.

11. What is the truth?

Your mom.

12. If lying is wrong, are white lies okay?

Sure. But I dont even think lying is wrong in the first place. Sometimes they are necessary or better way to achieve things. Whats wrong is hurting others with or because of your lies.

13. How do you know your perceptions are real?

... no other way...

14. What makes a good friend?

Someone who's looking after you, taking your interest as close as possible to theirs. Someone who wants to spend good quality time with you and enjoy it together.

15. Why do people fear losing things that they do not even have yet?

Because of expectations. They believe they will have it some day, somehow. I dont see any other explaination for this. Also maybe anxiety related to making an effort to achieve those things.

16. Who decides what morality is?

I do, for a small fee

17. What is the difference between living and being alive?
Nothing technically. But a person who is in coma is usually referred as alive. I guess awareness of self is living and heart pumping blood is being alive.

18. Is a “wrong” act okay if nobody ever knows about it?

Yes. Because if nobody ever knows about it, that means it has just unsignificant effect on others. A factory dumping its waste in soil, for example, is not OK even if nobody knows for that moment. So, actually no, its not OK in most real world situations.

19. Is there a reason to life?
...

20. How do you know that your experience of consciousness is the same as other people’s experience of consciousness?
It is.

21. What is true strength?

Being the GOD. But for humans, its money, health, dedication and luck.

22. What is true love?
I dunno.

23. Is a family still relevant in the modern world?
It is still relevant. People claiming opposite, are usually mourning conservatists or romantic leftists who can not accept any change. Sure the bonds are maybe less tight but it still matters.

24. What role does honor play in today’s society?
It supplies the basic level of trust in everyday interactions.

25. If money cannot buy happiness, can you ever be truly happy with no money?
No I dont think so. Money is an important aspect in modern life. With no money, you will have difficulties everyfucking minute. But I guess brain can adapt itself to a no-money life in wild natural areas. Like fucking primal age.

26. How should people live their lives?
Up to them.

27. How much control do you have over your life?
Havent I already answered this ? What is this, consistency checking of my answers ?

28. What is freedom?
Absence of restrictions.

29. Isn’t one person’s terrorist another person’s freedom fighter?
No, a terrorist is a terrorist. Almost all freedom fighters groups are fucking pure terrorists but people/countries use these labels to get leverage over others. Terrorist who do stuff in line with your agenda = "freedom fighters".

30. Does nature shape our personalities more than nurture?
I dont think nature has significant effect that cant be altered by nurture in personality wise. However, shit like this happens, if someone is good-looking, s/he is more likely get a respone from his environment which affects his personality development. Or people living the life of their parents, I think it has more to do with sub-concious messages gathered during childhood on how people should act with each other and implementing it later in life without having much control over them rather than genetics.

31. What defines you?
Fingerprint.

32. What do people strive for after enlightenment?
I dunno.

33. Do we have a soul?
I consider it as another name for conciousness.

34. What is intelligence?
Ability to understand any sorta thing (puzzles, math problems or social interaction, musc etc) and making the right adjustments for desired effect.

35. Do you make your own decisions, or let others make them for you?
I do most of my decisions on my own. Looking for advice isnt same thing for letting other make decisions. Yeah you can be effected to an extent but I dunnno, I usually feel I'm the one making the FINAL decision.

36. What is reality?
Reality is what you experience. At least practically, for sane people. Though, the amount of BS limiting beliefs, taboos everyone has interrupts the reality but hey, work on that then.

37. Is trust more important than love?
For a business deal, yes !
They are obviously two different things. In a relationship both are required. However, I dont think you can love someone you cant trust anyway but opposite is possible. So, I guess trust is bigger, hence more important as a concept.

38. Is it easier to love or be loved?
To be loved is easier. But best feeling would be reciprorated love between partners.

39. Is it better to love and lose or never to love?
Whatever makes you sleep better at night. But experience counts, so I'd rather love and lose. However, I doubt I'd love (romanticly), I just dont feel such strong emotions like other people.

40. Do aliens exist?
I loosely remember news about trails of life (bacteria ?) on an astreoid or sth so yeah. Apart from this, universe is soo huge to reject the possibilty of aliens or non-human concious organic life. I hope I will meet an alien one day, lol, would be epic shit.

[Sol]

try to give us normal typing material, but not just trashy questionnaire
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450

[Beautiful sky]

Okay more than

Ti: external statics of fields
Ti is responsible for understanding logic and structure, categorizations, ordering and priorities, logical analysis and distinctions, logical explanations. Ti interprets information according to how it fits into a validating system. Ti is particularly aware of logical consistency and how concepts relate to each other in meaning and structure, independently of particular purposes.

How?

37. Is trust more important than love?
For a business deal, yes !
They are obviously two different things. In a relationship both are required. However, I dont think you can love someone you cant trust anyway but opposite is possible. So, I guess trust is bigger, hence more important as a concept.

[Mr inappropriate]

Okay more than
How?

37. Is trust more important than love?
For a business deal, yes !
They are obviously two different things. In a relationship both are required. However, I dont think you can love someone you cant trust anyway but opposite is possible. So, I guess trust is bigger, hence more important as a concept.

What do you ask by saying "how" exactly ?

Like, love is about emotions and feelings but trust is sth analytical and logical. There is the difference. For example; I expect my friend to give me back the money he borrowed (because thats what he did before) but this is completely unrelated with love.

If you were asking how love cannot be without trust, well ... I dunno. I'm pretty guarded emotionally so my emotions dont escalate to someone, I cant trust, more than "would like to bang" or trying to get her attenttion sexually.

try to give us normal typing material, but not just trashy questionnaire
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450

If I could talk about myself and how I compare with others for 10 mins clearly, I would have typed myself easily.

[Beautiful sky]

What do you ask by saying "how" exactly ?

Like, love is about emotions and feelings but trust is sth analytical and logical. There is the difference. For example; I expect my friend to give me back the money he borrowed (because thats what he did before) but this is completely unrelated with love.

If you were asking how love cannot be without trust, well ... I dunno. I'm pretty guarded emotionally so my emotions dont escalate to someone, I cant trust, more than "would like to bang" or trying to get her attenttion sexually.



If I could talk about myself and how I compare with others for 10 mins clearly, I would have typed myself easily.

no you misunderstood me the how was an example of the Ti that proceeded your example. You are LSI final

[Mr inappropriate]

no you misunderstood me the how was an example of the Ti that proceeded your example. You are LSI final

ah ok ok that makes sense

so, you find Fe DS more guarded than Fi HA ? It somewhat matches what I see from my "friends" but there was this LII who fell in love and emotional, too. anyway its true that I see myself more in Fi role than fi HA but I also see more Fe HA (the ignored HA kind) than Fe DS.

Is there a LSI sub type thats more resistant to Fe DS?

[Beautiful sky]

ah ok ok that makes sense

so, you find Fe DS more guarded than Fi HA ?

yes I do; you may ask @Myst about this and @squark

It somewhat matches what I see from my "friends" but there was this LII who fell in love and emotional, too.

They tend to do that but I think more out of Ne rather than Se

anyway its true that I see myself more in Fi role than fi HA but I also see more Fe HA (the ignored HA kind) than Fe DS.

I don't understand this at all. You think that you ignore Fe or that you seek it?

Is there a LSI sub type thats more resistant to Fe DS?

resistance de force? lol just kidding Um no no one resists the temptation

[Persephone]

Logical breaking in:

Your questionnaire is so concisely limited that ... just no typing.
Also inappropriate is the word I would associate with Fi just saying.

[Jarno]

my first guess is SLI. if i must choose between SLI and LSI.

[golden]

Manipulation is usually accomplished through some kind of rhetorical persuasion. From that point of view, there is no such thing as good or bad persuasion, only good or bad people doing it, and good or bad outcomes.

[Myst]

Manipulation is usually accomplished through some kind of rhetorical persuasion. From that point of view, there is no such thing as good or bad persuasion, only good or bad people doing it, and good or bad outcomes.

From my pov there is such a thing as good/bad persuasion, the methods used matter.

[golden]

From my pov there is such a thing as good/bad persuasion, the methods used matter.

The methods of rhetoric are the same no matter who uses them and why. Therefore, ethics is a separate issue.

But the definition of manipulation may matter here. I think your pov on it is the usual one. Manipulation normally is taken to be something underhanded, and I'm reframing it as persuasion. I also see it as distinct it from lying.

[Mr inappropriate]

Point is not nitpicking on what manipulation implies or whatever but logical introverts do come off as naive to me with regards to their self-expression or their relationships. I'm sure, people have criticized me for the same thing behind my back though, lol .
I'm sure I have behaved overly restricted and serious in loose situations and vica versa. But I got better at this, my solution is setting the tone yourself and at least playing an important role in the beginning. I have the most fun when noone knows each other in a group (beginnings of things, new project group,..). I hate when I enter situations when I'm the new guy and everyone else knows each other/are friends ... I feel excluded or sth.

[Myst]

The methods of rhetoric are the same no matter who uses them and why. Therefore, ethics is a separate issue.

But the definition of manipulation may matter here. I think your pov on it is the usual one. Manipulation normally is taken to be something underhanded, and I'm reframing it as persuasion. I also see it as distinct it from lying.

What I was talking about is that I've seen differences in how people do rhetorics or whatever way they attempt to appeal to you. So in that sense, different methods. I see some versions as really off-putting since in my experience those are more often used as underhanded manipulation.

Point is not nitpicking on what manipulation implies or whatever but logical introverts do come off as naive to me with regards to their self-expression or their relationships. I'm sure, people have criticized me for the same thing behind my back though, lol .
I'm sure I have behaved overly restricted and serious in loose situations and vica versa. But I got better at this, my solution is setting the tone yourself and at least playing an important role in the beginning. I have the most fun when noone knows each other in a group (beginnings of things, new project group,..). I hate when I enter situations when I'm the new guy and everyone else knows each other/are friends ... I feel excluded or sth.

If your solution is setting the tone yourself then you sound more like Fe HA. That's not my solution personally since my Fe is not autonomous enough for that.

When I'm the new guy, I find it completely natural that others are friends since they've known each other for a longer time. I guess I'm using Fi norms here? All I expect in these situations (and in situations in general) is being treated fairly. Being explicitly welcomed is something I do not strongly consciously look for but I do like it.

Oh also you seem to like new for the sake of new? You say you have a lot of fun with beginnings, new projects, playing important role in these, etc. That kinda sounds like strong Ne.

[Mr inappropriate]

If your solution is setting the tone yourself then you sound more like Fe HA. That's not my solution personally since my Fe is not autonomous enough for that.

When I'm the new guy, I find it completely natural that others are friends since they've known each other for a longer time. I guess I'm using Fi norms here? All I expect in these situations (and in situations in general) is being treated fairly. Being explicitly welcomed is something I do not strongly consciously look for but I do like it.

Oh also you seem to like new for the sake of new? You say you have a lot of fun with beginnings, new projects, playing important role in these, etc. That kinda sounds like strong Ne.

Yeah, I'm aware of that logically but I still expect that. Its not sth concsious though so I'm not going around expecting people to entertain me but its more like I kinda lose a bit of my starting enthuiasism if people arent trying to get me "in", becoming slightly or hyper bored over time.

I suppose its gaining knowledge and experience rather than sake of new. See, things are always faster at beginnings.

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Should I fill another questionarre that may help clarify matters ?

[Myst]

Yeah, I'm aware of that logically but I still expect that. Its not sth concsious though so I'm not going around expecting people to entertain me but its more like I kinda lose a bit of my starting enthuiasism if people arent trying to get me "in", becoming slightly or hyper bored over time.

Yes this sounds quite Fe HA to me.

I suppose its gaining knowledge and experience rather than sake of new. See, things are always faster at beginnings.

Err, I kinda disagree with that graph, at least I work differently than this.

Should I fill another questionarre that may help clarify matters ?

If you want to, sure :shrug

[Mr inappropriate]

I will try VI, seems easier.

[Myst]

I will try VI, seems easier.

Looked but now I am biased from our earlier talks.

[Olimpia]

Hey! Yeah, you are Beta ST, bro. Haha.

LSI.

Your non-valuing of Fi is hilarious to me.

"What makes you, you?" lol.

"What defines you?" Fingerprint.

Fi Role ftw.

"Who decides what morality is?" I do, for a small fee

Se valuing ftw.

"What is true strength?" Being the GOD.

Fe over Fi.

"Is a “wrong” act okay if nobody ever knows about it?" Yes. Because if nobody ever knows about it, that means it has just unsignificant effect on others.

Ti (valuing) view on intelligence – to understand.

"What is intelligence?"Ability to understand any sorta thing (puzzles, math problems or social interaction, musc etc) and making the right adjustments for desired effect.

1D (valued) Fe

I just dont feel such strong emotions like other people.

And this just sounded so Ti lead, Ni HA, Beta Quadra to me. No doubt you are LSI at this point, haha. (From my side.)

"Do aliens exist?" I loosely remember news about trails of life (bacteria ?) on an astreoid or sth so yeah. Apart from this, universe is soo huge to reject the possibilty of aliens or non-human concious organic life. I hope I will meet an alien one day, lol, would be epic shit.

[Myst]

Hey! Yeah, you are Beta ST, bro. Haha.

LSI.

Lol no he's anything but Ti lead.

Your non-valuing of Fi is hilarious to me.

Fi Role ftw.

Why not Fi PoLR.

Se valuing ftw.

Err, just based on that?

Fe over Fi.

Stereotypical Fe HA.

1D (valued) Fe

Why on earth specifically 1D??

And this just sounded so Ti lead, Ni HA, Beta Quadra to me. No doubt you are LSI at this point, haha. (From my side.)

I don't see how this is specifically Ti lead or Ni HA.

That is why you can sort of relate to Fe HA descriptions and not entirely to Fe DS, which is typically more applicable to LSI-Ti.

I'm Se sub and I do relate to Fe DS significantly more than to Fe HA, the latter isn't as easy to relate to, especially after understanding what it really is about.


Ah and to OP - the VI seems extraverted.

I'm considering LSI as the most likely option as well. I discovered this typing business 3 years ago, I was constanlty getting iSTp, strong emphasisly S and T preference and mostly P, but I vs E part depended on my socialibility in the last couple of days.

Lol your Ti is way too twisty-flexible to be Ti lead.

You wouldn't be the first ENTp getting ISTp in tests.

[Olimpia]

Btw, you are most likely Se sub, as I said in the V.I thread.

That is why you can sort of relate to Fe HA descriptions and not entirely to Fe DS, which is typically more applicable to LSI-Ti.

[Mr inappropriate]

Btw, you are most likely Se sub, as I said in the V.I thread.

That is why you can sort of relate to Fe HA descriptions and not entirely to Fe DS, which is typically more applicable to LSI-Ti.

I'm considering LSI as the most likely option as well. I discovered this typing business 3 years ago, I was constanlty getting iSTp, strong emphasisly S and T preference and mostly P, but I vs E part depended on my socialibility in the last couple of days. Then diving in a bit deeper, I receognized, I have much more J organization and prefer some sorta lose structure over complete chaos and started typing as iSTj. I think LSI fits this back-story, better than SLI. Honestly, SLI also sounds a bit like depression to me.
I'm not sure about quadra values about Beta though but its not like Delta or Gamma is any better. Maybe Alpha but they are a bit too boring.

I'm also considering ILE btw, though not strongly as LSI. Now, I dont believe in Enneagram (basicly I belive people can change their personality in quite short time, even in months, on their will, I've became a lot more extraverted for example and will constatnly score E in tests compared to 3 years ago) but used to type myself at 5(w6)21 but people think I'm some 7 usually which kinda corresponds to ILE. I enjoy trolling people and getting reactions, maybe thats giving that ILE+7 vibe ? I dunno why I see myself more introverted compared to others seeing me more extraverted.

Got an idea ; I will make my mom take some test for me now. I'm bored with thinking about myself. Its really hard and without specific criteria to compare myself to others say if I use this or whatever, I feel at loss. I'm assertive/thoughtful/funny/logical/.... at somewhere but not somewhere else who knows, these things change a lot, IMO.

[golden]

Got an idea ; I will make my mom take some test for me now.

ILE > LSI based on that piece of information.

Kidding. Sort of.

[Mr inappropriate]

ILE > LSI based on that piece of information.

Kidding. Sort of.

We got ESTJ !

[Beautiful sky]

I'm working on your VI thank you

[Contra]

Stupid question but i want to know. do you relate at all to this dude (likely ILE)?:



I've read some of your posts but not your questionnaire so this might be a bit out there.

[Mr inappropriate]

Stupid question but i want to know. do you relate at all to this dude (likely ILE)?:



I've read some of your posts but not your questionnaire so this might be a bit out there.

Thats me actually, how did you find out ..

Serously, Yes, I can kinda relate. I've recently got into figuring out how the brain works and social interaction, how to use that knowledge and practice to get rid of negative thought/emotions, establishing a better mindset and looking forward on continous progression. Last minute or so is stuff I think about and tell people, when I have the chance.
He also kinda looks like me, lol. I make less hand gestures, though.

Yes LSE

You want to be my dual ?
Is this the final result from your VI reading ?

[Contra]

Serously, Yes, I can kinda relate. I've recently got into figuring out how the brain works and social interaction, how to use that knowledge and practice to get rid of negative thought/emotions, establishing a better mindset and looking forward on continous progression. Last minute or so is stuff I think about and tell people, when I have the chance.
He also kinda looks like me, lol. I make less hand gestures, though.

hah from your pictures/posts, i thought there maybe some similarities. I figured that, if you are ILE, you'll be a similar variant as this guy. He is sort of Si focused with his notions of self-improvement (not that self-improvement is proprietary to Si but his particular ideas relate more to Si motivations, i think), has a more EP-ish energy, and has somewhat idiosyncratic views (sort of a Ti/Ne thing). You could still be a different type, but i think it's good to develop benchmarks from which to relate.

[Beautiful sky]

Thats me actually, how did you find out ..

Serously, Yes, I can kinda relate. I've recently got into figuring out how the brain works and social interaction, how to use that knowledge and practice to get rid of negative thought/emotions, establishing a better mindset and looking forward on continous progression. Last minute or so is stuff I think about and tell people, when I have the chance.
He also kinda looks like me, lol. I make less hand gestures, though.


You want to be my dual ?
Is this the final result from your VI reading ?

Yes you are a J type

[Mr inappropriate]

Yes you are a J type

Hmm, OK, why LSE over LSI, then ?

hah from your pictures/posts, i thought there maybe some similarities. I figured that, if you are ILE, you'll be a similar variant as this guy. He is sort of Si focused with his notions of self-improvement (not that self-improvement is proprietary to Si but his particular ideas relate more to Si motivations, i think), has a more EP-ish energy, and has somewhat idiosyncratic views (sort of a Ti/Ne thing). You could still be a different type, but i think it's good to develop benchmarks from which to relate.

lol that or we are seeing the same therapist.
He definitely seems someone relatable, over 12 mins of video watching. It was interesting to watch because I imagined all ILE's as little brats with glasses that talks a lot. At least the ones I see IRL match this sterotype.

[Beautiful sky]

Hmm, OK, why LSE over LSI, then ?


lol that or we are seeing the same therapist.
He definitely seems someone relatable, over 12 mins of video watching. It was interesting to watch because I imagined all ILE's as little brats with glasses that talks a lot. At least the ones I see IRL match this sterotype.

You tell me why Te over Ti. Te is watching actions and looking at people's behavior in situations and Ti is not watching and observing the outside world. Ti analysis the measurements of things. An example Te will stand outside watch the neighbors and saying things like "this guy walks his dog every day, I watch him. He never cleans after its poop." LSI don't stand outside watching and observing actions. Ti goes inside and reads then gets on the couch and thinks and thinks and thinks and analysis

[Contra]

It was interesting to watch because I imagined all ILE's as little brats with glasses that talks a lot. At least the ones I see IRL match this sterotype.

those exist too

[Beautiful sky]

Hmm, OK, why LSE over LSI, then ?


lol that or we are seeing the same therapist.
He definitely seems someone relatable, over 12 mins of video watching. It was interesting to watch because I imagined all ILE's as little brats with glasses that talks a lot. At least the ones I see IRL match this sterotype.

I'm sorry but I could not VI you properly with that side shot you need to try to take one further away so I can see all of your head lol

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

40Q Philosophical Questionnaire

1. Is it worse to fail at something or never attempt it in the first place? Depends on what you are talking about. I am not really impressed by people who do death defying stunts. Cuz you could die... but I guess ppl get a rush from that. You do actually feel a natural rush if you survive something seriously dangerous but 'if' being the operative word. Risk and reward, always tied together damn. (I have almost died but lived and the rush is amazing but I am also scared of it) Safety is really just death. But safe is also safe.

2. If you could choose just one thing to change about the world, what would it be? I'd make it a little less hateful. Sooo typical gay liberal boy of me I know.


3. To what extent do you shape your own destiny, and how much is down to fate?

I believe in hard work but I also believe you have to align yourselves with the right people to make your dreams come true. Part of the reason narcs are so successful is how easily they cut ppl out that's not serving their own interests. If only the good guys could do this more instead of just gawking like an autistic dork and being around a bunch of hateful people that continue to abuse them take for them granted and not help them with their own wishes and dreams. You basically have to love yourself enough to give yourself a chance. And that *does* require saying fuck you to everybody and giving up your people pleasing tendencies. *waves diva hair*

4. What happens after we die?

Well as you are dying it's the most horrible thing u ever experience like it's so awful there's no words to describe it- but then after you die you get integrated back to Oneness which is the most amazing and freeing thing there is and so it's like both so horrible and then so amazing. And then you realize heaven/oneness is overrated- and you get reborn into another body and you do it all over again. There is no Heaven or Hell because it's essentially too extreme to exist- we want conflict and change and ambivalence and the balancing powers of being continuosly reborn on earth are really the only way to achieve this. Your story does not end. But don't believe there is some safe space dimension to trap yourselves in- because your spirit was meant to travel *all* worlds anyway. Please read Alex Marchand's books or watch the Stark Trek: TNG episode 'Remember Me.'

I'll do the rest later...

[Beautiful sky]

Yes LSE

[Beautiful sky]

You should come and hang out in the chat box it's easier for me to observe interaction and social dynamics

[Mr inappropriate]

You should come and hang out in the chat box it's easier for me to observe interaction and social dynamics

nah, group talks are very weird for me(online ones).

About LSE vs LSI, I do observe outer world of course rather than just thinking to myself in my couch because I'm a normal person.

I have an 80q somewhere which I wrote one and a half or even 2 years ago. Should I bring it up ? But then I dont agree with %50(possibly more) of what I said in that anymore.

[Beautiful sky]

nah, group talks are very weird for me(online ones).

About LSE vs LSI, I do observe outer world of course rather than just thinking to myself in my couch because I'm a normal person.

I have an 80q somewhere which I wrote one and a half or even 2 years ago. Should I bring it up ? But then I dont agree with %50(possibly more) of what I said in that anymore.

Okay normal human *stared at the spaceship behind him*

[Mr inappropriate]

Okay normal human *stared at the spaceship behind him*

Everyone has those.

You dont have one ?

[darya]

Am I the only one who thinks SLE?