Link to video: https://youtu.b
Questionnaire: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...stions-Type-Me!
Don't let my energy level overwhelm you.
Link to video: https://youtu.b
Questionnaire: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...stions-Type-Me!
Don't let my energy level overwhelm you.
Last edited by rougerogue; 05-28-2021 at 11:03 PM.
alpha extro? ESE? Clear Ne/Si valuer. You don't strike me as introverted in terms of your energy. You have more of an outward orientation. Seem like you might be complemented by an LII.
SEE
Se describing the weather, real and tangible places, yet you're indecisive. The qualities that you desire in others show your Fi but you're not sure about this so you're democratic about those qualities. You're not firm about anything apparently. I'm much more decisive and firm about my values especially. I always feel like you are reverting to reality, "to read up on it; to do research" it has to be tangible and real. You are not good with coming out with multitude of ideas and possibilities and potentials.
Here's the VI companion
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ortraits-Gamma
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 07-15-2016 at 02:18 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
SEE is not indecisive and describing the physical doesn't automatically equate to Se. My mom is always pointing out something environmental, like the temperature or plants or the shade of the sky. She's ESE. IMO, Se doms rarely point out things like that because it's common knowledge to them. When they do point something out, it's usually something that looks funny about a person, etc.
Or, maybe it's because he's Fe ego.The qualities that you desire in others show your Fi but you're not sure about this so you're democratic about those qualities. You're not firm about anything apparently. I'm much more decisive and firm about my values especially.
Is research and reading always based on reality?I always feel like you are reverting to reality, "to read up on it; to do research"
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
First, how did you find me? lol jk
So as a perception function it needs tangible information to form the basis of what is perceived through research and knowledge and once the static qualities are apprehended then it thinks about it's action towards it
Originally Posted by rasputin lse
Being an external perceptual function Se is connected with reality and real and tangible things. It perceives the qualities of objects.
Originally Posted by theory on how perception is understood
Extraverted sensing external statics of objects Se Socionics symbol Se.svg Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression. It is also the function of contact and apprehension of qualia.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@Maritsa doesn't rogue's video seem closer to this SEI picture to you? The profile description matches.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ile-by-Gulenko
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
First of all, you, as a self-claimed EII, are by definition deaf to Si, so no wonder you do not hear it.
Secondly, Si is something SLIs and SEIs do, and usually keep to themselves instead of communicating it, to them Si is not a contact functions. To spot an SEI, you need to observe them when they are more or less alone, and when they are socially interacting. In the difference between these two situations you will be able to tell what the creative function is.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You are wrong. 1st block functions is where a man makes most of social input. It's the main social communication functions. Where is your best part, this you'll tend to use mostly in social contacts. It's the main content of your consciousness in social interations and on work.
Forgive him @Maritsa. He simply wishes you would type him SEE like you type me!
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
How i came to my conclusion about him wishing to be typed SEE by you?
He receives this typing from a majority of the people here. He resonates with SEE values. He types as ESFP in MBTI (I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything in Socionics but I am giving it a bit of weight).
Additionally, he doesn't agree with the typing that you've given me. Before I posted the video, I believe @Bled typed me IEI. Whether that has changed after the video or not, I am unsure.
I think it is a bit funny that he has cared so much about what you type him. hehe
Maybe I only exacerbate his frustrations by teasing him about being LSE all the time.
And you don't see how any of your observations are a product of perception? I say this because you keep saying "he cares so much about what you type him" What impact my typing is having on him and/or how your teasing is making a change in him isn't that related to kinetic energy
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
@Maritsa I am pleasantly surprised. You've helped me see that SEE is a likely possibility for me. The things that you're saying seem to ring true for me. Thank you for your help
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You could be SEE. You look Gamma to me, but I'm not so familiar with SEE types that I can say you look like one. I will say that I know an ESI-Fi male very well, and you had flickers of his expressions at times, but most of the time you look more sensory than he does. (He channels Paul Newman, but with a beard.) Also, you said something about not being sure of facts, which are the province of ILI's.
If you are SEE, you are a very reserved SEE. The most reserved SEE I have ever encountered. (Out of a group of three.)
I couldn't hear the video very well when I watched it. I'll watch it again later, when I have more time. Plus, I'll read your answers to the questionnaire.
Incidentally, when I first saw your avatar, I thought "That guy is ILI, but super extroverted for the type." But after viewing the video, I think it may be the reverse: SEE, but super introverted for the type. Alternately, you might be ESI from your looks alone. I need to read your answers to get a better idea.
Beskova has a great description of SEE
Napoleon, Male Portrait, ESFp by Beskova
NAPOLEON men are almost never bony and thin. This is a sufficiently solid, conspicuous, attractive, self-controlled person with a resolute stare. He is active and energetic, and holds himself rather assuredly. Everyone, who has had the pleasure of conversing with NAPOLEON right away knows who is "the boss in the house". His entire appearance points out that he knows his worth. But if he is positively predisposed to you, he will endow you with his encouraging smile and make you laugh with circumstantially appropriate (but often frivolous) joke.
He prefers to wear soft sweaters and turtlenecks of dark colors, but in suits also looks very stately. Most often he has a short haircut, although there are a few SEE individuals of artistic natures who wear long hair.
NAPOLEON is very sociable, oriented at people, easily initiates contact, resourceful and witty.
In school, boys of this type often struggle. Although they they are often leaders by their nature and value their status among classmates, they, with difficulty, master the precise and natural sciences even at the basic level. They have trouble keeping interest in subjects that do no concern people! Honestly, what is there of any interest in them?!
How to survive for such a boy in school? How not to lose the respect of his classmates? It has to be said that, here, these boys are aided by their natural charm and confidence, and, if they know how to skillfully use both one and the other, then their grades are normally higher. All that is needed for this is that the classmates let them copy their homework on time, and that the teacher positively reacts to their smiles. Usually this works, and little NAPOLEON - again is a hero in the eyes of his classmates because without his company - there is no company. And also, who besides him knows how to appeal to girls like he does? To whom, in fact, he himself is completely not indifferent to, to such a degree that sometimes he is ready even to fight with a competitor for a lady of his heart.
Boys of this type equally enjoy physical education lessons and playing sports. Here they can be successful since they confidently control their body, which means that during training they easily learn the necessary skills. Additionally, they are sufficiently solid and stable to practice even the power-based types of sport.
NAPOLEON is charismatic and authoritative, so it is easy for him to get acquainted with any new person, and also to enter into any circle. His company means a lot for him. He understands what the feeling of comradeship is, knows how to be a good friend. He can, without a doubt, be called a team player, in which he typically does not hold the last place. With him, it is not only fun, but often he takes on himself the role of leader, organizing everyone else for new beginnings.
NAPOLEON is not one of those men whom you can “capture” by force. And in women, he values intelligence and practicality. A sense of humor with an evident portion of craftiness, cunning, and wit also make a good impression on him.
The skill to understand people well, the ability to notice everything that is going on around him, and a willful character - these are the traits that allow this man to keep the situation under control. He is confident in himself and focused, as a rule, positively, on trying to support in his group or among those entrusted to him by his job, a peaceful, benevolent spirit. For instance, attempt to get into an argument with someone in his presence - it will not be successful (the exception being, of course, when he himself took part in the intrigue).
If you married a NAPOLEON, then know that next to you lives an energetic, yet also calm person, who has exceptional diplomatic qualities. At home, he always tries to uphold smooth relations with everyone, treats the members of his family with respect, supports them, and softly directs them. This is a strong and optimistic man, on whom you can easily rely for support.
Depending on the peculiarities of his character and upbringing, NAPOLEON’s participation in household matters and chores can vary. Most likely, you will be engaged in setting up and remodeling of your new nest with greater enthusiasm than him. The fact is that NAPOLEON is not really interested in the everyday side of life. He tries to not acquire extra belongings, to not burden himself with an excessive amount of material acquisition.
Examples from real life: "Here is what the famous Russian actor, Vladimir Mashkov, tells about himself: “In our house, money appeared and disappeared in the same way, easily, joyfully. I have no job on the side, bank account, or country mansion. As a matter of fact, I have a pretty calm relationship with money. I have no accounts in well-established banks for a rainy day, and into my possession come only my royalties for a movie or show I starred in. I have no country home, and I do not want to own one".
But there is one thing, which it is better to not entrust him: let somebody else handle paying the bills for your house or apartment. An enemy of formality, he does not like these kinds of errands. Try to relieve him, as well, from reading the instruction to television sets, computers, washing machines, and other household appliances. This is usually not in his department.
With children NAPOLEON knows how to be friendly. He wants to be proud of his children, trying to raise them so they become smart, worthy, independent, self-sufficient people.
Men of this type have an active, business-oriented personality. His leadership skills sooner or later will allow him to rise up to a position that fits him, so that he can provide for his family. Although, instantly finding his niche in life, for NAPOLEON, can be not all that simple. Being endowed with a strong character and powerful motivation for prestige, he is not too well equipped to be a simple performer at a secondary role, in the depth of his soul believing this is degrading to him.
This is why he often settles on the kind of jobs, which allow him to work independently, often alone, or lead a small group in such an area, where the nature of work is completely clear to him. This can be, for example, his own small company. Nevertheless, if life turned out so that he has to work with a large number of people, then such a task he will handle as well, since he knows how to enlarge his sphere of influence through the use of his authority and the ability to make many different connections. But success waits for him, in places where it is necessary to work with people. But the formal side of any job - filling out documents, making orders, establishing contracts, distributing wages - this is his real Achilles’ heel.
NAPOLEONs successfully work as psychologists, journalists, sport trainers, commentators, television hosts. They excellently handle the representative functions, heading a small firm, especially, if some logical type works as a right-hand man with him, who is able to make reliable and accurate prognoses for business situations.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Originally Posted by Maritsa
But I value it and LSE don't.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
ESI or SEI imo. Not extroverted.
You VI and come across as totally ethical (where the ILI thing was coming from?) I am not sure which one but definitely not ESE and not Delta in my subjective understanding.
I don't know whether the "(where the ILI thing was coming from?)" thing was rhetorical or not, but I shall answer regardless.
I have had issues determining whether a certain characteristic within myself or others is HIGH and VALUED or LOW and VALUED or something else.
For example, @inumbra makes these forecasts about future events. I relate to doing a similar thing. I cannot tell though, whether she is doing this out of paranoia and anxiety regarding the future, which I see as being LOW Ni or if she has a healthy grasp of the future and is being funny.
Te Confusion
Additionally, for quite a while I thought that I was Te ego
It is manifested as a preference for factual accuracy over ideological consistency, and for objective, "harsh" communication over careful words that avoid a negative atmosphere. A view of the external environment being efficient, reasonable, and making sense is essential to their well-being and sense of inner peace, but they do not feel a pressing need for being proactive or productive themselves in that area.
While I don't see myself as overly productive and proactive, I thought that it may be different because creative Te is used only to further leading Ni's aims. I do like to save time and be efficient. I will not put my effort into tasks that are unnecessary and extraneous. I would rather read information that is concise and to the point, than watch a video having someone explain something at a snail's pace. [may be unrelated]
I don't correct other people's errors as often as I'd like to because I don't think it is worth the time. People believe what they believe whether the facts check or not.
I have a penchant for factual accuracy and can be harsh in communication. Lately, I haven't been harsh on this site -- at least I don't think I have -- but I am more cold IRL.
That is manifested as a skepticism and dislike for basing your beliefs, arguments, and actions on external sources of information. For instance, a SEI will rather trust the expertise of someone who seems to have hands-on experience, even if limited, than of someone who demonstrates to have read many books on the same subject. IEIs will base their opinions and views on their own personal insights and be, again, skeptical of "second-hand" factual information that contradicts it. "Don't trust everything you read" is a typical sneer of this function, especially when applied to sources of information otherwise seen as neutral and reliable, such as encyclopedias and handbooks. Another manifestation is a dislike for dealing with issues involving efficiency, productivity, and factual accuracy of statements made; statements are made according to input from other functions, not from double-checks against external facts which are seen as of lesser relevance to the issue at hand. Types with this function lack confidence in their ability to find relevant information in outside sources.
I have mainly looked at function descriptions for IEI and ILI because I was rather confident about being Ni lead for some time. I am more likely to trust what I read. My mother thinks I am gullible, but I think she is close minded and unwilling to see alternate perspectives but I recognize that her mind words differently than mine. I don't want to elaborate on my mother any further because I think it's extraneous. I trust encyclopedias and dictionaries because they're the closest things to facts that we have.
The definition of "fact" isn't even what most people think it is.
Science is not infallible. Researchers attempt to produce results that are telling about reality but these findings can be proven wrong by further findings. [At this point, I'm just word vomiting.
LOL though that I was looking for sources to prove my point but couldn't find anything.
For ESI
The individual periodically needs outside advice of how a situation will develop into the future in order to know when and how to proceed. The individual takes actions without proper evaluations of their consequences which he is faced with later. As a result he becomes more cautious and attempts to slow down, but by himself he poorly sees when it's necessary to do so and when it is needed to proceed further, and thus can end up wasting his time and powers or creating undesirable result for himself. Without an outside reassurance and evaluation of his actions, encouragement when it is beneficial to proceed further (ESI) or which actions can lead to negative outcomes (LSI), the individual is inclined to either try to remain inactive and miss good opportunities or act immediately and sometimes impulsively in inopportune moments
I am not impulsive. I think about the future implications of my decisions often and I think that helps me stay out of trouble. I place little value in short term efforts. I have no desire to "get rich quick".
Do you detect Ni in people rather quickly?
I will edit this because right now it is a mess.
When I've seen Gammas talk in videos, their atmosphere is generally serious and focused on the topic at hand. That's what you strike me as. Based off your answers, reactions, and focus on the video, I will say ESI. Your reactions are subtle while maintaining seriousness throughout the video. Not to mention, you seem reserved communicating your answers. Another thing is you sat up straight throughout the whole video and corrected your posture in a couple of moments you were leaning or tilting your head, which demonstrates a rational type in terms of VI. There are my two cents. xD
Side note: You seem like a real nice dude.
Yeah. I love Pokémon.
introvert, intuit
IEI, lesser possible - LII
Too serious with moments of funny spurs, no Fe and no dramatization exaggeration, no reflection of the person's own inner disruption of stuff. Like my father and the Beskova description his overall attitude here in this atmosphere is one of a a peaceful, benevolent spirit this is why he's so different from @Eris. Eris I feel as though you're typing on a lot of self made stereotypes
Off topic: Will you consider a California meet up in the future?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
SEI. I can see why some people would say ESI, but even though the OP is not very expressive, there is a clear emotional foundation (Fe) in his appearance. I think his SEI-ness will clearly show in a video where he would be interacting with someone else.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Pretty much what she said, agree 100%.
Based on the video I'd say ESI-Fi.
And somehow, I get the impression you might be 4w3 or (bit less likely) 9w8 main type, certainly tritype 496 (The Seeker), possibly Sx/Sp or Sp/Sx.
Overall, I find Gamma rather obvious.
Here aspects from the questionnaire:
Te valuing:
Ij temperament:I think that logic is something that can be externally validated. Introverted thinking is a foreign idea to me.
I remain rather consistent. I change my ideas and views as I receive new information but I don’t think I have changed my ideas on anything that is pivotal.Fi lead/valuing:I probably look like I have a stick up my butt and am boring.
I think beauty is subjective attraction, although there are people that look beautiful but I don’t find attractive. I change my opinion of beauty based on sympathy. My heart can make ugly people look more beautiful when I feel bad or like other aspects of the person.Fe unvaluing/ignoring:“My people” means family and friends. “Stranger” means someone I do not know. My people become strangers when I begin to drift away from them.
There are customs that people follow. I follow them when they’re convenient and routine. I don’t smile at people, which seems to be a norm for some people. One does not always have to follow these rules. We have bad days and times when other things are more important – the majority of the time. I’m not a fan of extroverted feeling.Some expressions of extroverted feeling can seem shallow.Creative Se:Externally, I may have little ticks that tell what I am feeling, but I try to stay stone faced and calm-looking all the time. I look mean though and look unapproachable and it may be why I have no friends.
You can use body language to try and change it. You can breathe in and out slowly. You can also go for a walk. Change your perspective, change your life!Type 4:Others probably think I am in the middle of the strong vs weak spectrum. I view myself as a moderately strong person.
I would need to wallow in my misery.I do very little when I have negative emotions. I just wallow and look forlorn. Stare out of the window and cry on the inside. Others don’t really understand.You can paint your depression away.SO blindspot, aka Sx/Sp or Sp/Sx:I feel time like a cinderblock that is causing me to sink to the bottom of the ocean.
I think I may be overly introverted and weary of the outside world.I fantasize about finding a job that allows me to enjoy work and funds my hobbies.I like black coffee, dark chocolate (70% or higher), grapefruit, pomegranate and TV.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung