So far, we seem to be on relatively the same plane regarding our ideas and values, at least as it pertains to individuals and society. He however is quick to give people the benefit of the doubt, whereas I'm often waiting for the other shoe to fall.Originally Posted by Maritsa
FF
What will you do now?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Just live life and see where this takes the both of us.
@Aylen let's test this. @FeloniousFunk would you kindly grab the definition of Fi and Fe and do me the honor of watching my video on YouTube "Maritsa for Socionics" and asses which is my primary function of use? I would be honored if you took the time since you are a newbie and don't know me.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa,
Absolutely. I'll check it out this evening.
FF
Last edited by FeloniousFunk; 06-28-2016 at 10:41 PM.
Excellent!
That will be interesting for you. My mom and I often do that kind of stuff together. But I moralize too much "she's being a terrible human being by not taking care of her sister She's not being kind...ect" but she likes me moralizing
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 06-28-2016 at 10:40 PM.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa,
Fi is your primary function of use. Your comments about disliking a person's rude behavior toward the handicapped and elderly on the train exhibits an understanding of the social hierarchy; your dislike or disgust toward people who defy the social hierarchy exhibits your understanding of the quality, nature and proper maintenance of personal relations. When you acknowledge your love of the kindness, generosity and giving spirit of human beings, you show that you aspire to humanism and kindness as well as address your attitudes of like or dislike toward the same.
FF
you are good
@Sol see there's no need to insult people. If you type by video you can ask nicely "when you are up for it would you please make a video so that I may watch to see your on screen profile?" Bullying doesn't get anyone anywhere
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
you never thanked me @Sol for making ethical corrections
@Sol see there's no need to insult people. If you type by video you can ask nicely "when you are up for it would you please make a video so that I may watch to see your on screen profile?" Bullying doesn't get anyone anywhere
"The same thing happens with the "right to correction" (which is the cause of the most heated "battles" in aristocratic quadra). This right the LSE leaves to the EII, being highly suggestible by EII's remarks over aspect of ethics of relations (+Fi), while the right for "logical" correction the LSE reserves for himself (+Te)."
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I also asked my ESE friend and he said he'd rather wait than to pay the $5
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It depends on the ESE for that particular instance. But all the ESE's I know practice the discipline of thrift in one way or another, to save for a rainy day - which they do well - and to have money available to indulge in the things they like, be it their hobby, their clothes, travel, a good meal out. One ESE friend has long been an almost Extreme Couponer. Minus the HUGE ridiculous mega-pantry of bins full of aspirin, soda, dish soap, snacks etc. Though she has a good full pantry. She pretty much never buys a thing for any more than 50% off. She prefers 75% or free! She has done this with dedication for years and when I first knew her (when we were both first married) I tried to learn from her (we met when we were both working to put our husbands through university) and I put a great deal of effort and time in trying to be as thrifty as her. I still try, but I gave up being as good as she is, particularly because I found couponing to be exhausting and not worth the effort.I also asked my ESE friend and he said he'd rather wait than to pay the $5
This ESE friend practices extreme thrift with the family household income and indulges in things like plane tickets, family trips (which she is thrifty about) and has a thing for trying out expensive restaurants wherever she goes; its a passion, a real treat to her to do this. And she is quite a creative family cook, always experimenting with new recipes - using what was on sale that week, of course. (Other ESEs I know are more basic cooks). She always has discount or free tickets to the theater, concert, amusement - if there is a way to do any thing for less, she's already on it. So she has kept her family busy in many activities (the ESEs I know all like to be busy in many activities) on a shoestring budget. (Just like another ESE I know she always scours the community newspaper for free events).
Her longtime ILI husband, who seemed to show such promise for a good income in the beginning, with his intelligent mind and his diligent intellectual efforts, never did make a lot of money. He slowly and methodically and perfectly earned his Library Science degree then shortly after he decided he did not want to do that. So she continued her hard work as a travel agent to support him through another degree - architecture, and he completed that with honors. But then he never pursued that career either, and ended up moving them from her beloved California back to his hometown in Missouri (they'd met when in colleges there), so he could take over his father's business managing/repairing/maintaining a trailer park... she had to give up her beloved work at an airline in LA, as their new home was too far from an airport for that work. But he was comfortable with that work and she made up for any shortfalls with her energetic and extensive thrift, enabling her to stay home with the kids when they were young and as they grew, she grew her own estate sales business... which they sure needed when two of her sons needed some very expensive uncovered medical care.
ESEs seem to never tire...
And Maritsa - Funk's guy fits an ESE VI, don't you think?
Which reminds me, @FeloniousFunk, I told you all aobut Supervision relations but that's with ENFj. Oops. Its Conflictor, as you say. Conflict Relations are easier for you than Supervisee, because you are on equal footing. Perhaps you have already seen this article: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...lict-Relations Gulenko has some useful tips for getting along.
I know two longterm ILI/ESE couples including the one above. The wife is ESE in both instances. So if you have any questions about how ILI/ESE relations might be in various instances, I will be glad to tell you what I have seen and maybe it will be helpful.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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This is great to hear. Although I first shuddered when I heard him utter "If it's free it's for me!" with a big smile on his face, I now better understand where he's coming from. We both have very much been into having lives of self-sufficiency (or at least self-reliance); he's just a little further down that path than I am. The man grows 75% of what he eats and barters his many skills like a pro. I think he and I do agree though that in being thrifty about some basic aspects of life, money can then be set aside for the indulgences that are truly worth it. We're both kind of obsessed with doing a lengthy kayaking trip through the Norwegian fjords:
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I will likely be the one to curb him of his habit of driving to the next exit to save the 50-cent toll; he in turn will likely be the one to curb me of my habit of buying things in excess so I always have a ridiculous number of back-ups that I tell myself I need, yet rarely end up using.
Can I get a Hallelujah?
I hadn't, but I just read it. In particular, it was great to read these thoughts regarding Conflict Relations:
R.K. Sedih, "Informational psychoanalysis"
"Partners usually find each other quite interesting. Among Socionists the most wide-spread name for this type ofrelations is "conflict". This is justified only on low level of interaction when both partners are poorly developed and un-dualized. In this case, partners not realizing it will hit each other's weakest spots. This is a very difficult situation if both of them have to live together, sharing a room for example. Situation improves if even one partner is dualized. In this case partners can affect each other positively and even derive benefit from these relations. This aspect of interaction is satisfactory only if there is tolerance between partners. In socionics, there is a tradition to consider this interaction as the most harsh and uncomfortable for the individual. My own research has shown, however, that it is almost always not the case. Over many years of studying Socionics, I have not found any cases of such classic conflict as described by Aušra Augustinavičiūtė. Our observations and some recent theoretical developments suggest that in general this type of relation falls into the same level of comfort as semi-duality and activation relations."
FF
5 planets in Scorpio: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus & Mars. Probably not a shrinking violet.
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