ILI are tiny dictators. I don't think you're going to find a submissive person in them. They know how to shuffle people around and arrange things to their liking and they know how to stand up for themselves.
ILI are tiny dictators. I don't think you're going to find a submissive person in them. They know how to shuffle people around and arrange things to their liking and they know how to stand up for themselves.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
that was probably why i didn't like the demanding or yes better pushy way they sometimes have. but it was just a minor thing.Originally Posted by Maritsa
yes i like this description Maritsa!
i also somewhere read that victims were called, the resistance. Sounds good. I've noticed i'm usually the first to get up and say fuck you, when a boss gives an unreasonable order.
I've seen this before, many times. I always thought it was because ILI's are asocial bastards who don't give a fuck.
And yet, they are also very smart and rational, so it usually pays to listen to them when they are getting in your face.
lol keep thinking that :-)
ili's see flaws and when they noticed them, they won't back down. a good combo i think.
i don't think ili's are asocial at a macro level but at a microlevel yeah, they don't care if they need to hurt a feeling here and there, but they keep in mind what the best route is for the group, colleagues or whole society. if you got to piss of a certain individual to reach the best destination for the rest, it's all worth it!
Actually i think ILI's might be the most social on a macro level. I have for example marx, who felt sorry for all the people who had to work 12 hours a day, it was a great emphaty towards the destination of humanity. Maybe you can see the ILI's in a better light this way Adam :-)
I do agree with this. I actually do it, too (head straight for a problem, that is), and for the same reason, which is to reach the best destination for the group (great, great description, by the way) but perhaps I do it with slightly more diplomacy. My impression is that ILI's don't seem to care that much about how they are seen. I find that pissing people off tends to burn bridges and makes it harder to influence them in the future. An ILI who is too contentious can get assigned to a position and can get stuck there, because of a perceived lack of adaptability.
I don't see ILI's in a bad light. They are a type with which I form almost instant, very valued friendships. One of my oldest friends (since I was 12) is ILI, and so is my financial advisor. They are very rational, very dependable, usually very intelligent, can be extremely funny, and while they can be a total dick to you (usually at first meeting), I was surprised to find that they have stronger Fi than I do, and are therefore better at valuing people than I am.
My comment about ILI's being "asocial bastards who don't give a fuck" was actually a description of how I believe they are seen by the general population. Add rational introvert to the description, and you get the full snapshot*, but not an in-depth analysis. For the latter, it is just better to hang out with them.
* This is why I believe, in literature and the movies, that ILI's are most often portrayed as Villains Who Will Personally Fuck You Up, while LIE's are typically portrayed as Villains Who Will Fuck Everything Up, As Far As The Eye Can See.
@Adam Strange I think it's because we can be cold and rational in regards to human life... but thatmotivating function for ILI's denies us from fully embracing our own innate immorality. ILI does feel for others despite any lack of outward evidence towards that fact. We'll bash on the homeless as we intentionally drop a few bucks worth of coins near the hobo with the most entertaining begging sign. After all, I see being a beggar as being an entertainer over a leech. Go for the "muh children" angle and I view you with disdain. Go for an "honesty" or "entertainment" angle and I will risk being run over by dumbassess to give ya money.
Everyone serves a purpose. Don't play towards sorrow, play towards entertainment. You'll get way more donations. The hobo with a skill for an instrument got by for good reason. Entertain the selfish morons, that's how you get some real money flowing in!
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