Yeah, I could if I wanted to...Originally Posted by MisterNi
You pwn way more, to be quite honest.
Yeah, I could if I wanted to...You pwn way more, to be quite honest.
*waits patiently for Maritsa to finish her Si time*
You wanted to... and did.
AOPG.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Someand role lovin too. (
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Ok what were you asking?
Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ok what were you asking?You did an amazing description of SEE, could you do the same for EIE and IEI ?
you used two exclamation points in ur title, without the tone being very asshole or sadistically sarcastic with them so ur def. a Fe type.
fuck I don't know. I haven't thought about socionics in so long. It's the First Evil.
I know some EIE's, one well and long, and I myself am IEEI'll add my opinion in blue! Its a quick one; I have to get to bed!
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So where EIE have a graceful form, IEE don't. They are poorly coordinated (NOT clumsy necessaly). Thank you for the "not clumsy". Poorly coordinated at times - possibly, especially when tired or too focused on something else, but hey, when I was well-involved in dance, back before being mom - ballet, modern, jazz - I was particularly complemented on graceful movements, which I think is an NF thing ... but then, I was working on it. I relate to beautiful movement very much, but then, yeah, I am not always so graceful in everyday life. Their stance is not straight. Maybe..
IEE are calm on the outsideThis is true. may look like EIE when EIE restrained their emotions (conflicts misread this).
EIE dress appropriately and tirelessly.Yes, EIE can dress to impress! IEE dress awkwardly, ridiculously.Hmm, well, I do not dress well tirelessly for sure but I do work at it in order to fit in in the world and be pleasing. I used to work where all were very well dressed and I found it stressful but I worked at it. It was a relief when art teaching that I did not have to dress like the others... I milked that...
I can dress very well when I want to.. But most of the time, I just want to be comfortable and acceptable (so I don't get ridiculous... but the IEE thing about forgetting something on her outfit - that can happen). "Soft Classic" is my style. Something about me that most people have no idea about because I won't say so generally is that I am far, far pickier than practically everyone I know about the colors, patterns and textures I will wear. I have it down to a fine science... Or, you could just put down "soft" for all those three and hit it.
At my old school in special ed dept we were taking the kids to an area wide Special Olympics and the day before I was given a man-cut t-shirt like everyone else to wear to represent our school - and it was going to be hot, too, and it had a high neck, so at home, an immediate wash and dry and then I got scissors and off came all the hems: sleeves, neck and bottom, and a tuck here, there.... yeah, fit matters as well as comfort.... so, that's me.
But EIE wins hands-down at dressing to the nines and turning out fab every day for work.
Dedication to kids and family: EIE limit their care and IEE loves to feel necessary to others wants to spend all her time bringing up the kids Yes on these
Self care: EIE ignore health and IEE get into all kinds of health related improvements I have ignored my health, then had problems, which led to successfully looking for improvements. My EIE sis-in-law has run marathons and I cannot compare..another EIE freind was a soccer player in college then a coach...
IEE ready to show moral support. Will send someone she senses is down tools to help them feel better. Books, notes.Yes, this is us. Moral support. EIE no. Yes, its not a particular trait I have seen in EIE
The LSI takes care of health matters for EIE.Perhaps this happens! IEE can give new ideas on health wanting to be with a calm inactive (limited active) partner. I so very much love my calm, limited-active (definitely not "inactive") SLI. He is just right for me.
IEE connect to people spiritual to build relationships "do you believe in God?" And IEE can Intuitively know the value of a relationship. They can see a person's type fast, can figure out if the relationship has potential,Yes
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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Loved that ! Very insightful. Regarding all the EIE's you know, how do you think your suggestive Si differs to their PolR Si VS their suggestive Ti and your PolR Ti
No type fits me ! help me find my type !
Scenario 1
Backstory.
I had a neighbour called Mary, she was a nice lady but had a bad tendency to gossip .. like a lot, and she was very untrustworthy, so naturally i took a distance from her and watched what i said to her, my mum noticed the same characteristic in her so we both used to avoid her and deal with her carefully. Eventually we moved house. Me and my family regularly goto our Kingdom Hall so when we moved house we had to find a new one, so we found one we liked. We knew someone there, we weren't necessarily friends but we knew of each other, so now that we're in the same we could get to know each other better, lets call this woman Kyla. So we got a chance to speak to kyla and her husband and introduced ourselves, she recognised us aswell. Now my initial impression of kyla was a person that was very loud, she was a typical loud expressive kind of woman, although it didn't put me off, my social alarm bells picked up a "watch out " vibe, then as we were talking she mentioned that she's very good friends with Mary, infact they're such good friends she came to stay at her house last week !
(The but i think is function related)
So as we got home i instantly said to my mum "the fact Mary and Kyla are such good friends means instant trouble, i dont think we shouldn't trust her, i bet she gossips like her"
then my mum said " I was thinking exactly the same thing ! She seems like a woman that is very dependent on people and cant make her own mind up, so she'll just listen to what mary has to say about us rather than find out for herself, i've got my eye on her too."
So after weeks of observation i said to my mum "Im sure Kyla has told Mary that we moved to her church, i bet they're gossiping about us", then my mum said "well sooner or later we'll find out", then next week after church my mum whispered to me "you were right, whenever i try and speak to Kyla, she always turns her and avoids me" lol.
Scenario 2
Backstory
So in this new meeting im watching everyone and i saw this man, he's very loud and sociable, but he's also really mean, and he even says he's mean, and i wanted to know why he was so verbally abusive,he invited me and my family out, i kept in mind he was a very mean person who doesn't say sensible things, so i prepared myself, but as the course of the evening escalated, he was very sensible and very subdued, he was still making jokes but they were very slap-sticky, i was obviously laughing along with him but i was also observing very critically *fastforwad*
(The bit i think is function related )
so as i was mulling over the evening (as i do ) i said to my mum "I think (lets call him John) John is very hurt and damaged inside, he looks very vulnerable, that's why he makes loads of mean jokes and attracts that kind of attention, also i'm sure thats why he talks so much about his wealth and expensive holidays"
then she said " i was thinking the exact same thing, he looks very weak like hes been through something that's crushed him, i get the feeling of "feeling sorry for him"
then i said "yeah i agree, its like i want to help him rather than laugh with him, becasue he looks very internally weak so he overcompensates by being externally "strong"
SO these are just a few examples that happen regularly, its almost as if i can instantly dismantle people right in front of them, and the funny thing is these insights , if i can call them that, are just feelings inside me, its like i can pick up on things and put it together, even though they have not basis in the real world. In reality, I don't know if Mary has gossiped about us, but im 99% sure she has, i don't know if John is the happiest man in the world, but i would highly doubt it.
SO do any of you have thoughts regarding this, what function do you think im using ?
Last edited by Danali; 08-04-2016 at 06:34 PM.
wtf is this
I don't know how anyone types their self or someone else using these damn questions. I type by casual, natural interaction. If I had to use this questionnaire thingy, I'd be an INFTPJ of the FESITO subtype
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
paranoia
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
You're using a lot of Fe and Te. Trust external behavior and watching action
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Oo, i'm not familiar with that function, care to explain ?
Somebody actually typed me as an LSE which i found kind of weird, their reasoning was (paraphrased) "Te is the 'logic of action' therefore im using logic to put the pieces together of who knows who, and basing my conclusion of that external observation, and im weak at Fi becasue i had to clarify with my mum (which i disputed becasue i think regardless of my mums answer i would have still held close to my conclusion )"
Last edited by Danali; 06-30-2016 at 10:47 PM.
It's my way of saying you're a fellow Beta of my variety
Last edited by weirdleftovers; 06-30-2016 at 10:41 PM. Reason: perfectionistic idiot at work
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
Yay, when do i enrol ?It's my way of saying you're a fellow Beta of my variety
By your story you're clearly 6w7.
A restless E type.
no youre ethical
hints to weak N and nonvalued Ne
Last edited by Sol; 07-01-2016 at 03:40 PM.
http://www.the16types.info/info/types/ENFP.htmENFP
Socionic Perspective: The Psychologist
Mood
playfulness; tinge of irony; acceptance; frivolous; warm curiosity about people and relationships
Socionics Description - From http://www.socioniko.net/
Model A Analysis intellectual creative shyness role estimative suggestive personal knowledge concrete art
©I.Weisband, Working Materials, 1986.
© The 1st paragraph of this particular description is a rephrased quote from ENFP description by Isabel Briggs Myers.
©Translated by Dmitri Lytov, edited by Lev Kamensky and Darren Chappell, 2002.
- An ardent enthusiast. He is a highly spiritual, artistic individual. The Psychologist quickly resolves any personal problems, always relying upon his talent for immediate improvisation instead of preparing the work in advance. He loves situations when new and exciting undertakings come up, when it is possible to demonstrate his own and others’ talents; when one can still expect the most unusual development of events.
- A Don Juan. He gauges various virtues and talents in the people he meets and cannot hold back from reporting his observations to them with great enthusiasm. Often other people mistake his dramatic display of emotions for his real feelings, which earns him the reputation of a Don Juan. In fact, he is quite conservative in his feelings, attached to a close circle of his friends, whose opinions hold great weight for him and totally determine his mood, behavior, and knowledge. If he really is a playboy, he does not hide it.
- Sensitive. His speech is often romantic, his smiles are enticing, but very often that’s as far as it goes. His motto is ‘emotional power over all and sexual freedom from all’.
- "Modest". As a rule, he is not ambitious, because he can enjoy the circle of his friends and the anticipation of something interesting. Unlike The Politician, who likes to be an obvious ruler of the situation, he prefers to be its covert ruler. And his influence is directed first of all towards making other people reveal their skills and talents.
- A scientist. He is sensitive about how others evaluate his mental skills. Often he strives to get a degree in higher learning, achieve scientific recognition and awards: this gives him the opportunity to work with a clear conscience (without having to doubt his qualifications). He is touchy when other people criticize ideas that he holds dear, or deny him and his friends’ talents. This is why he prefers the company of those who share his beliefs.
- A person of mood. His mood determines everything: plans for the future, self-estimation, and ideas about the world. Ambitious plans can change to disappointment and sadness; but interesting news, praise, or an unexpected interesting opportunity immediately lifts his spirits. Boredom can even make him ill.
- Altruistic. He is ready to help other people in solving their personal problems. The greatest pleasure for him is to find a way out from the situation that others consider hopeless. He is capable of demonstrating friendliness and benevolence to all. However, he saves his real efforts for about whom he is serious, and in this case he does much more than people ever expect from him and more than he himself promises.
Groups
- Belongs to the Delta Quadra group of the Socion.
- Belongs to the Idealist group of the Temperments.
- Belongs to the Statics group of the Reinin Dichotomies.
- Belongs to the Narrator group of the Reinin Dichotomies.
- Belongs to the Extraverted with Ethics (Passionate) group of the Gulenko's Communication Skills.
- Belongs to the Infantile group of the Gulenko's Erotic Attitudes.
ENFP Computer Function Analysis
Intertype Relation Chart
Oldham Style: Vigilant
Oldham's Type Description
Basic Pleasure Basic Fear autonomy subordination
- Autonomy. Vigilant-style individuals possess a resilient independence. They keep their own counsel, they require no outside reassurance or advice, they make decisions easily, and they can take care of themselves.
- Caution. They are careful in their dealings with others, preferring to size up a person before entering into a relationship.
- Perceptiveness. They are good listeners, with an ear for subtlety, tone, and multiple levels of communication.
- Self-defense. Individuals with Vigilant style are feisty and do not hesitate to stand up for themselves, especially when they are under attack.
- Alertness to criticism. They take criticism very seriously, without becoming intimidated.
- Fidelity. They place a high premium on fidelity and loyalty. They work hard to earn it, and they never take it for granted.
Source:Oldham, John M. and Lois B. Morris. The New Personality Self-PortraitRev. ed. New York: Bantam, 1995.
Disorder Perspective
Likes Dislikes
- autonomy
- trustworthiness
- loyalty
- fidelity
- to know the hidden motives of others
- the appearance of righteousness
- secrecy
- privacy
- a double life
- vigilance
- wariness
- suspicion
- adversaries, enemies, grudges
- guiltlessness
- shamelessness
- authority
- superiority
- self-sufficiency
- independence
- control
- perfection
- withdrawal
- self-criticism
- being special
- isolation
- subordination
- deviousness
- deception
- treachery
- closeness
- being covertly manipulated
- interference of others
- being put down
- being discriminated against
- secret coalitions formed by others
- being undermined or depreciated by others
- humiliation
- being abused or being taken advantage of
- being controlled
- being demeaned
- authority/authority figures
- those he or she sees as weak, soft, sickly or defective
- inferiority
- making mistakes
- being different from others
The personality disorder which is a pathological representation of the Vigilant personality type is the Paranoid Personality Disorder.
Basic belief: People are potential adversaries. Thinking strategy Wariness
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition(American Psychiatric Association, 1994, pp. 637-638) describes Paranoid Personality Disorder as a pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:
- suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her;
- is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates;
- is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her;
- reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events;
- persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults , injuries, or slights perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack;
- has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.
The disorder does not occur exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects or a general medical condition.
Typical Beliefs
- I cannot trust other people.
- Other people have hidden motives.
- Others will try to use me or manipulate me if I don't watch out.
- I have to be on guard at all times.
- It isn't safe to confide in other people.
- If people act friendly, they may be trying to use or exploit me.
- People will take advantage of me if I give them the chance.
- For the most part, other people are unfriendly.
- Other people will deliberately try to demean me.
- Often people deliberately want to annoy me.
- I will be in serious trouble if I let other people think they can get away with mistreating me.
- If other people find out things about me, they will use them against me.
- People often say one thing and mean something else.
- A person whom I am close to could be disloyal or unfaithful.
Actually lines up with @Maritsa noticing Fe and Te.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@Danali you be the awkward socialite hootie
I didn't know that was enneagram related
Which ones are you leaning towards ?
SEI or SLI
Si is responsible for perception of physical sensations; questions of comfort, coziness, and pleasure; and a sense of harmony and acclimation with one's environment (especially physical). Si understand how well a person or thing's behavior agrees with its nature as well as the differences between comfortable behaviors and positions and uncomfortable ones.
I type Si as your base function because you look deep inside the person's actions and assume the reasons why he acts a certain way.
"I think (lets call him John) John is very hurt and damaged inside, he looks very vulnerable, that's why he makes loads of mean jokes and attracts that kind of attention, also i'm sure thats why he talks so much about his wealth and expensive holidays"
You see when you say "I'm sure..." that part isn't objective, it's subjective estimation of a external dynamics of fields
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Thats Fi
No. Fi is internal statics of fields
Fi would say "John gossips too much. I don't like him" because John breaks a social order Fi says "It's wrong of him to gossip so much"
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Wouldn't that be Ni ?
Oo, i do this sometimes, but if i decide someone has done something "bad" i don't just cut the off, but keep them as friends, at an arms distance and watch them carefully.
Why Ni? Ni observes the passage of time
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I thought it also works well without much data, i've never met that man before, but i was able to pick up on that much information.
Thats Ne
No
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Because you were watching him and his behavior and making estimate of his actions
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
being able to figuire out how someone functions just from "feeling it" (intuition) is Ne
My overall impression: you're like a posterchild for Ne. I have about 75% confidence in that conclusion. It is clearly valued if not your base function. Your use of it is quite extensive, imo.
I have not read the whole thread but I read your responses to the functions carefully. I don't think I could see anything other than IEE for you, at the moment, after reading all that plus the two situations you described.Extroverted intuition is an extroverted, irrational, and static information element. It is also called Ne, I, intuition of possibilities, or black intuition.
Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.
Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition (Ni) types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option. They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators. Typical Ne quadra humor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.
Ne as Leading Function
The individual is skilled at generating intellectual interest and curiosity in others and using others' curiosity to get them to do things. He easily sees parallels between different situations, areas of knowledge or skill, and people, and likes to establish contacts across different fields of knowledge and social groups, which allows him to be part of many things at once. He enjoys considering differing viewpoints and perspectives and seeing if they can be reconciled. He enjoys the beginning stages of just about anything - new projects, acquiring new skills, experiencing new people and relationships. Preparing for and launching something new is seen as having greater value than the process of experiencing what one already has and finishing what one has begun. The concept of "finishing" seems foreign to him. Instead of taking care to finish things and tie up all loose ends, he tends to drop things when he can't handle them any longer or realize that he has neglected them for too long (this might be equally related to suggestive introverted sensing).
Fe is there but not valued > than Fi. Te valuing > Ti valuing. Ti polr is probably why SEE has been suggested. You posted your examples after people guessed SEE, I think. Pretty sure irrational > rational by reading your responses.
The way I see it, is you are adhering to your own Fi rules of conduct, not responding to Ti "rules" It's all about your feelings in the situation and introverted ones at that. It doesn't seem it is based on "logic" since it brought more of an emotional charge and you thought the person selfish. Isn't it also selfish to want a person who claims they are cold to be uncomfortable just so the class doesn't have to be punished? Logic might have found the teacher illogical in that moment. :/ The teacher might be an introverted thinker or have control issues.Introverted Thinking as a BASE function.
The individual views reality through the lens of logic, immediately recognizing the correctness and appropriateness of things and their proper place in reality and in his system of views and behaviour. He freely makes logical assertions, often exaggerated, about new information and experience. He holds highest those rules to which exceptions do not exist, and is a habitual critic of people or things that don't follow a set of rules, whether they are those accepted by the community, or his own, or even the other person's. Although he is able to adopt others' rules, his own are always the last word, and these are subject to continual refinement.
-Well all I can really say on this is that I like to think im logical and rational in my decision making even though many would disagree. I hate when people don’t follow rules in a game, that annoys me so much, I also don’t like it when people don’t follow rules that hinders the progress of many other people, that’s really selfish. Example, I was in class one day, this guy didn’t want to take of his coat, because he was cold, the teacher said “if you don’t take off your coat the whole class has to say in” that guy is really selfish because he didn’t want to take of his coat, the rule so simple and clear cut I don’t understand why he wouldn’t follow it.
I remember a really old lady slapping legs in church and saying "this is not a cafe" because we crossed them. She always had a stone cold face when she did it. Not even a playful slap, with a smile. I found it a bit shocking and funny but she was old so I tried to be respectful, as I was taught. I crossed my legs again when she wasn't t looking. It became sort of a game of not getting caught or uncrossing before she could reach over and slap a leg again. I just smiled at her since I was quicker, most of the time. It's like, who the hell slaps a stranger's leg like that... It was pretty funny. She did it to my sisters too. It was mixed signals from adults since we were also told, "Ladies cross their legs They don't sit like men". hahah
Following all the rules, in your example, is not Ti valuing, since it is something we are taught in school or by family. You have strong feelings about it. It has more to do with being obedient and following authority figures. It has nothing to do with introverted thinking . I value Ti and have never been one to follow all the established rules, unless there was a good reason. If I respected the person I was more likely to follow their rules than if I didn't. Only if they made sense. I don't think I could respect someone with such an unreasonable rule as your teacher.
If I am cold that is damn good reason not to take off my coat. Unfortunately, as a child, I would have suffered the cold rather than cause a problem. Now I would say I was cold and talk to the teacher alone if I had to. I don't follow blindly especially when I think they are unreasonable. I don't know why the teacher made such a big deal out of it. Sounds like they overreacted or on a power trip. I would have been more annoyed by the teacher, than the student, tbh.
This is also about your Fi as it is all about your feelings of annoyance and embarrassment. I don't think you were intentionally steering to some ideal. Fi can affect others by not adjusting their mood to be in harmony with others. Not that Fe never shows bad moods but the Fe base I know would not have let the other people affect their mood, with teasing, unless they were not on their game. I had an ESI friend who was a bit jealous of me and she would always try to cause me some embarrassment around others when she was not feeling good about herself. I would make a joke about whatever she threw at me which would shut her down right away. I refused to let her ruin my evening if I wanted to have fun.He is highly proactive about steering the emotional flow in the direction he himself considers ideal to a given situation. He may, for example, try to cheer people with jokes if he sees that they are too gloomy or, conversely, to get people to be serious and concentrated if they are too carefree during a crisis situation. Nevertheless, he believes emotions should be expressed as honestly as possible.
-YES ! Who doesn't do that though? if I see my friend isn’t ok then I’ll directly ask what’s the matter, then I’ll try and cheer them up, by sympathising with them, if that’s what they want, or making jokes, or providing solutions. Example. This one’s about me, once I went out with a group of friends A didn’t know S or D so for some funny reason A was trying to look good, by trying to put me down and embarrass me in front of S and D. I was really annoyed, but I didn’t know how powerful my annoyance and silence had come off because for the whole evening it was mad awkward and nobody spoke.
My impression, Te valuing > Ti valuing. @Director Abbie also has a thing for dictionaries.Ti observes the correlations between measurements, including definitions of terms.
-For some weird reason, I don’t understand descriptions of Ti, like in this instance I don’t understand what is meant by “measurements” is that physically or theoretically? I do have a fascination with the dictionary, I really like looking up, and finding new words and seeing how they're used, im not sure of that attributes to anything.
Ti holds vast amounts of such information in the mind, and hungrily absorbs it. Then Ti sticks fast to it and will use the collection of relationships and correlations between data to quickly defend his observations of relationships between different data or correlations, quickly judging such correlations for rightness/wrongness based on their observations of the data relationships.
-This is quite a lot to take in, but from what I’ve read here I do tend to draw a lot of comparisons and like to categorise best and worst, this is kind of hard for me to think about.
Ti is concerned about how all the variables fit together. Ti approaches by observing how the complex system of concrete measurements fit together in this great machine of how things work.
-I do like to know “how “ things work, so I tend to ask loads of very specific questions about systems and things of such nature, i dont like just answers, i like to know why and how.
You are showing Ne and Fi when explaining how you use many of the functions. It seems clear to me but any type can ask "why" and "how" or do things out of "boredom" but the motivations are different. Personally, I rarely feel bored even though I might say I am if I am just sitting around thinking and someone questions me on it. I will just say, I'm bored and don't know what I want to do with myself, if I do not feel like telling them what I am thinking about. I don't like justifying myself when I am just sitting quietly thinking.Ne observes and analyzes developments as static external possibilities that can be immediately acted upon. Ne thinks "learning a language is good in and of itself because it has innate potential." About the outcome, Ne says "well, that could have developed in any of these different ways, so it wasn't really set in stone."
-analysing the possible ways something could develop is very interesting, however that wouldn't cross my mind until urged to think.For example when learning a language, I would be thinking about the fact I would increase my opportunity to get a job, but if someone brought up possibilities, I may be able to build upon the possibilities they've thought of.
Ne absorbs information just because it has potential of development in and of itself. Ne takes an instance and develops it in many different directions of potential development.
Basically what I said.
I see your whole thread as Ne in motion. Your intuition primarily stems from external cues > internal.
I feel you value Fi more than Fe in your examples. That is one of the reasons I can't see SEI. SLI just makes no sense to me. I don't feel Si is a strong function in you but it is probably valued. You also vibe like quite a few IEE I know. I am not trying to throw you out of my quadra though. You are more than welcome. There is another new user who I also suspect may be IEE but my confidence in their typing has dropped to 51% right now, since new information is still coming in. You have been around longer.
I recently posted about what I call the "Ne loop of potential". I am kind of seeing this in your threads. You seem more interested in exploring the different types that spark your curiosity but unable to choose between those potential types. You also do not seem like others (EIE for example) who are actually more focused on settling on a type but they can overanalyze it.
I don't think you are a core 4 who might proclaim "no type fits me" in an attempt to assert their uniqueness. I feel you have a genuine curiosity and thirst for knowledge that I have seen in my IEE friends.
Take all this with a grain of salt. As you can see we are all interpreting the use of different functions through our own filters. To me the overall vibe is Ne/Fi. Obviously, there is no rush to figure it out. You appear to enjoy questioning and seem open to other people's opinions without getting defensive.
Perhaps you already know your type and just want to get other people's input?
Have you actually taken the time to narrow it down to a few more likely types? The only one you seem kind of opposed to is Si lead which makes me think it is less likely for you.
Last edited by Aylen; 07-03-2016 at 02:47 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Thanks for that analysis
Recently i was speaking to a socionics YouTuber and they typed me as an LSE, which i found very bizarre but the reasoning was interesting.
This was regarding the first example i gave earlier in the thread, they said "you are presented with a fact darted out by the person. during the evening the facts prove wrong. you have new facts.
Then you start tinkering with Ns (potential reason behind the attitude, what is he made of? sounds Ne) but you don't seem sure about your assessment, you are asking for confirmation. Then you have confirmation of your Ne assessment and you chose the corresponding feeling, like: okay in this case I feel X. With a different conclusion you would have felt something different. It means your empathy is submitted to your understanding.
"poorly understands the feelings of others, thus he is suspicious and cautious in the emotional sphere, and afraid of making mistakes."
This Fi inferior
This is the mobilized function: The mobilizing function is also called the activating function, the hidden agenda (HA), or the sixth function. Help in this element is appreciated, but past a certain point is seen as excessive.
which is the N attitude you are describing. You wanted confirmation, not to be refuted.
because to be refuted you would have needed proof
The N of "what people are made of" is Ne
This was regarding the second example i gave, they said "the fact Mary and Kyla are such good friends means instant trouble, i dont think we shouldn't trust her, i bet she gossips like her"
This is Te (the most logic conclusion given an action X)
people are mixing up logic of action (Te) with reading facial expressions (Fe)
they see some sort of conclusion so they decide it's cause and effect (Ni)
what do you think about this ?
LOL, im guilty of that, if i see a slight similarity between me and any type i will make it fit me, regardless if some bits done necessarily fit right, and i think that's were all the confusion came from, also the fact i'm willing to listen to every and any opinion confuses me aswell.
VI please
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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