I'm running out of energy lolOriginally Posted by Danali
@Maritsa dear thank you so much. that's cleared a lot up... don't be upset but could you do a description like the SEE one for EIE and IEE
I'm running out of energy lol@Maritsa dear thank you so much. that's cleared a lot up
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Think about the pay off... you wont have to seen me in the "what's my type ?" section again (maybe)
Lol maybe after I eat, take some Si time by relaxing on a comfortable couch and listening to something mellow yellow
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
*waits patiently for Maritsa to finish her Si time*
No type fits me ! help me find my type !
Scenario 1
Backstory.
I had a neighbour called Mary, she was a nice lady but had a bad tendency to gossip .. like a lot, and she was very untrustworthy, so naturally i took a distance from her and watched what i said to her, my mum noticed the same characteristic in her so we both used to avoid her and deal with her carefully. Eventually we moved house. Me and my family regularly goto our Kingdom Hall so when we moved house we had to find a new one, so we found one we liked. We knew someone there, we weren't necessarily friends but we knew of each other, so now that we're in the same we could get to know each other better, lets call this woman Kyla. So we got a chance to speak to kyla and her husband and introduced ourselves, she recognised us aswell. Now my initial impression of kyla was a person that was very loud, she was a typical loud expressive kind of woman, although it didn't put me off, my social alarm bells picked up a "watch out " vibe, then as we were talking she mentioned that she's very good friends with Mary, infact they're such good friends she came to stay at her house last week !
(The but i think is function related)
So as we got home i instantly said to my mum "the fact Mary and Kyla are such good friends means instant trouble, i dont think we shouldn't trust her, i bet she gossips like her"
then my mum said " I was thinking exactly the same thing ! She seems like a woman that is very dependent on people and cant make her own mind up, so she'll just listen to what mary has to say about us rather than find out for herself, i've got my eye on her too."
So after weeks of observation i said to my mum "Im sure Kyla has told Mary that we moved to her church, i bet they're gossiping about us", then my mum said "well sooner or later we'll find out", then next week after church my mum whispered to me "you were right, whenever i try and speak to Kyla, she always turns her and avoids me" lol.
Scenario 2
Backstory
So in this new meeting im watching everyone and i saw this man, he's very loud and sociable, but he's also really mean, and he even says he's mean, and i wanted to know why he was so verbally abusive,he invited me and my family out, i kept in mind he was a very mean person who doesn't say sensible things, so i prepared myself, but as the course of the evening escalated, he was very sensible and very subdued, he was still making jokes but they were very slap-sticky, i was obviously laughing along with him but i was also observing very critically *fastforwad*
(The bit i think is function related )
so as i was mulling over the evening (as i do ) i said to my mum "I think (lets call him John) John is very hurt and damaged inside, he looks very vulnerable, that's why he makes loads of mean jokes and attracts that kind of attention, also i'm sure thats why he talks so much about his wealth and expensive holidays"
then she said " i was thinking the exact same thing, he looks very weak like hes been through something that's crushed him, i get the feeling of "feeling sorry for him"
then i said "yeah i agree, its like i want to help him rather than laugh with him, becasue he looks very internally weak so he overcompensates by being externally "strong"
SO these are just a few examples that happen regularly, its almost as if i can instantly dismantle people right in front of them, and the funny thing is these insights , if i can call them that, are just feelings inside me, its like i can pick up on things and put it together, even though they have not basis in the real world. In reality, I don't know if Mary has gossiped about us, but im 99% sure she has, i don't know if John is the happiest man in the world, but i would highly doubt it.
SO do any of you have thoughts regarding this, what function do you think im using ?
Last edited by Danali; 08-04-2016 at 06:34 PM.
paranoia
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
Oo, i'm not familiar with that function, care to explain ?
It's my way of saying you're a fellow Beta of my variety
Last edited by weirdleftovers; 06-30-2016 at 10:41 PM. Reason: perfectionistic idiot at work
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
Yay, when do i enrol ?It's my way of saying you're a fellow Beta of my variety
hints to weak N and nonvalued Ne
Last edited by Sol; 07-01-2016 at 03:40 PM.
http://www.the16types.info/info/types/ENFP.htmENFP
Socionic Perspective: The Psychologist
Mood
playfulness; tinge of irony; acceptance; frivolous; warm curiosity about people and relationships
Socionics Description - From http://www.socioniko.net/
Model A Analysis intellectual creative shyness role estimative suggestive personal knowledge concrete art
©I.Weisband, Working Materials, 1986.
© The 1st paragraph of this particular description is a rephrased quote from ENFP description by Isabel Briggs Myers.
©Translated by Dmitri Lytov, edited by Lev Kamensky and Darren Chappell, 2002.
- An ardent enthusiast. He is a highly spiritual, artistic individual. The Psychologist quickly resolves any personal problems, always relying upon his talent for immediate improvisation instead of preparing the work in advance. He loves situations when new and exciting undertakings come up, when it is possible to demonstrate his own and others’ talents; when one can still expect the most unusual development of events.
- A Don Juan. He gauges various virtues and talents in the people he meets and cannot hold back from reporting his observations to them with great enthusiasm. Often other people mistake his dramatic display of emotions for his real feelings, which earns him the reputation of a Don Juan. In fact, he is quite conservative in his feelings, attached to a close circle of his friends, whose opinions hold great weight for him and totally determine his mood, behavior, and knowledge. If he really is a playboy, he does not hide it.
- Sensitive. His speech is often romantic, his smiles are enticing, but very often that’s as far as it goes. His motto is ‘emotional power over all and sexual freedom from all’.
- "Modest". As a rule, he is not ambitious, because he can enjoy the circle of his friends and the anticipation of something interesting. Unlike The Politician, who likes to be an obvious ruler of the situation, he prefers to be its covert ruler. And his influence is directed first of all towards making other people reveal their skills and talents.
- A scientist. He is sensitive about how others evaluate his mental skills. Often he strives to get a degree in higher learning, achieve scientific recognition and awards: this gives him the opportunity to work with a clear conscience (without having to doubt his qualifications). He is touchy when other people criticize ideas that he holds dear, or deny him and his friends’ talents. This is why he prefers the company of those who share his beliefs.
- A person of mood. His mood determines everything: plans for the future, self-estimation, and ideas about the world. Ambitious plans can change to disappointment and sadness; but interesting news, praise, or an unexpected interesting opportunity immediately lifts his spirits. Boredom can even make him ill.
- Altruistic. He is ready to help other people in solving their personal problems. The greatest pleasure for him is to find a way out from the situation that others consider hopeless. He is capable of demonstrating friendliness and benevolence to all. However, he saves his real efforts for about whom he is serious, and in this case he does much more than people ever expect from him and more than he himself promises.
Groups
- Belongs to the Delta Quadra group of the Socion.
- Belongs to the Idealist group of the Temperments.
- Belongs to the Statics group of the Reinin Dichotomies.
- Belongs to the Narrator group of the Reinin Dichotomies.
- Belongs to the Extraverted with Ethics (Passionate) group of the Gulenko's Communication Skills.
- Belongs to the Infantile group of the Gulenko's Erotic Attitudes.
ENFP Computer Function Analysis
Intertype Relation Chart
Oldham Style: Vigilant
Oldham's Type Description
Basic Pleasure Basic Fear autonomy subordination
- Autonomy. Vigilant-style individuals possess a resilient independence. They keep their own counsel, they require no outside reassurance or advice, they make decisions easily, and they can take care of themselves.
- Caution. They are careful in their dealings with others, preferring to size up a person before entering into a relationship.
- Perceptiveness. They are good listeners, with an ear for subtlety, tone, and multiple levels of communication.
- Self-defense. Individuals with Vigilant style are feisty and do not hesitate to stand up for themselves, especially when they are under attack.
- Alertness to criticism. They take criticism very seriously, without becoming intimidated.
- Fidelity. They place a high premium on fidelity and loyalty. They work hard to earn it, and they never take it for granted.
Source:Oldham, John M. and Lois B. Morris. The New Personality Self-PortraitRev. ed. New York: Bantam, 1995.
Disorder Perspective
Likes Dislikes
- autonomy
- trustworthiness
- loyalty
- fidelity
- to know the hidden motives of others
- the appearance of righteousness
- secrecy
- privacy
- a double life
- vigilance
- wariness
- suspicion
- adversaries, enemies, grudges
- guiltlessness
- shamelessness
- authority
- superiority
- self-sufficiency
- independence
- control
- perfection
- withdrawal
- self-criticism
- being special
- isolation
- subordination
- deviousness
- deception
- treachery
- closeness
- being covertly manipulated
- interference of others
- being put down
- being discriminated against
- secret coalitions formed by others
- being undermined or depreciated by others
- humiliation
- being abused or being taken advantage of
- being controlled
- being demeaned
- authority/authority figures
- those he or she sees as weak, soft, sickly or defective
- inferiority
- making mistakes
- being different from others
The personality disorder which is a pathological representation of the Vigilant personality type is the Paranoid Personality Disorder.
Basic belief: People are potential adversaries. Thinking strategy Wariness
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition(American Psychiatric Association, 1994, pp. 637-638) describes Paranoid Personality Disorder as a pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:
- suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her;
- is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates;
- is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her;
- reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events;
- persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults , injuries, or slights perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack;
- has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.
The disorder does not occur exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects or a general medical condition.
Typical Beliefs
- I cannot trust other people.
- Other people have hidden motives.
- Others will try to use me or manipulate me if I don't watch out.
- I have to be on guard at all times.
- It isn't safe to confide in other people.
- If people act friendly, they may be trying to use or exploit me.
- People will take advantage of me if I give them the chance.
- For the most part, other people are unfriendly.
- Other people will deliberately try to demean me.
- Often people deliberately want to annoy me.
- I will be in serious trouble if I let other people think they can get away with mistreating me.
- If other people find out things about me, they will use them against me.
- People often say one thing and mean something else.
- A person whom I am close to could be disloyal or unfaithful.
Actually lines up with @Maritsa noticing Fe and Te.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
You're using a lot of Fe and Te. Trust external behavior and watching action
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Somebody actually typed me as an LSE which i found kind of weird, their reasoning was (paraphrased) "Te is the 'logic of action' therefore im using logic to put the pieces together of who knows who, and basing my conclusion of that external observation, and im weak at Fi becasue i had to clarify with my mum (which i disputed becasue i think regardless of my mums answer i would have still held close to my conclusion )"
Last edited by Danali; 06-30-2016 at 10:47 PM.
no youre ethical
Which ones are you leaning towards ?
wtf is this
I don't know how anyone types their self or someone else using these damn questions. I type by casual, natural interaction. If I had to use this questionnaire thingy, I'd be an INFTPJ of the FESITO subtype
IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
By your story you're clearly 6w7.
I didn't know that was enneagram related
A restless E type.
@Danali you be the awkward socialite hootie
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