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[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
How much virgin IEI male meat is required to bait and snare a SLE woman?
In that case phew, I only need to use my small knife.
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Is that an open ended question?
Why don't you want open ended questions?
I want to be able to answer with minimal effort. I prefer not putting effort into answering (IMO) vague questions like, "What is love?" It's not likely that I'll have consistent personal insights on such issues, so my answers wouldn't be very meaningful or informational, wasting both my time and that of askers and readers.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
niffer,
The following article is rather extreme but would anything apply to you? If so, what?
http://www.socionics.com/articles/unestp.html
a.k.a. I/O
I bolded and underlined and what applies, and added some comments in brackets.
ESTp are consummate snake-oil salespeople who have only one goal in life: to sell themselves or their ideas. {{Everything everyone does in life from which they acquire resources as a result blossoms from themselves and their own ideas. Would it be a better alternative if I sold others and their ideas?}} If ESTp cannot gain your love or admiration, they will settle for your submission. {{These sound like good options.}} ESTp are fast-moving {{sometimes}} and fast-talking, and seek the finer things in life, even though, those things may belong to you. However, they would be quite generous to others with your things.
Rules and laws are seen only as guidelines for ESTp. If they decide that something needs to be done, then they'll do it regardless of who gets hurt. Their wants and needs take precedence over any rules. They're outspoken risk-takers{{moreso when I was younger than now}} who don't mind getting their hands really dirty. {{But only literally dirty, not figuratively dirty.}} ESTp live in the here-and-now, and place little importance on introspection or consequence.
Getting an ESTp to finish or commit to something is like trying to land a large tuna - one must come prepared for a fight. {{Sure--there should be a good reason to do something, or I should really want to do it for some reason.}} The ESTp will leave a trail of unfinished business and relationships. {{This is true for me, but, this seems like a normal thing, like normal casualties to exploring and learning about what is a good idea to pursue in life. Nobody finishes every project that they start, and you will leave unfinished relationships until you marry for the final time, if that happens. I am only 22, and I believe what I've learned from my experiences has been invaluable. That being said, when I do have my heart in something, it seems like it stays in pretty much for good and I commit. I put a lot of heart and soul into such projects and relationships, so it's necessary that it is very rare when such a level of commitment is reached for me.}} Their live-in-the-moment philosophy drives them to continually seek new relationships and challenges, while existing projects and people bore them. Issues that require focus and concentration will sap the ESTp of energy while the fight to avoid chores will invigorate them. ESTp remain committed only as long as there is a real impending threat to them, but they will remain totally bored with everybody and everything that is familiar.
As clever as an ESTp may be, following instruction will be the most difficult chore for them. The ESTp will often have trouble in school; they see little use of theory in their insatiable quest for new things and experiences. ESTp intuition is often wrong so they don't trust theory or their instincts, and is highly suspicious of the instincts of others. They're only interested in physically what you have and what you can give - forget the intangibles.
ESTp are proud of the fact that they don't plan because they feel they can manoeuvre in any situation. They typically makes things up as they go. {{I will do this more in less risky situations than others; for example, when I am cooking. Also, I am opportunistic in regards to my moment-to-moment experience--if a good opportunity arises for me to do or say something beneficial without skipping a beat, my instinct is to roll with it. I try not to leave things to the last second and without a plan if I can, but sometimes this does end up happening when I get overly lazy and negligent. I still feel a bit proud when I can manage to pull something off with just my adaptability, but I've had so many bad experiences from things backfiring on me that I avoid doing this now as much as possible. Michael Pierce's ESTP video comes to mind, where he discusses ESTPs' propensity for overestimation.}} However, they react more than they think; they make rash decisions and then have to fix them. {{This was more true for me when I was a teenager. Se is stronger than Ti.}} They're always improvising because they use so little intuition. Their decisions and actions are based upon their understanding of the facts at hand, which are frequently incomplete, especially when the situation involves people.{{Okay, I think the second sentence here is true. The first sentence is interesting. My intuition is low, but I think that what little is there aids in my improvisation. I don't think I improvise because my intuition is low; I think I do it because I'm EP and because it's fun and a good experience to flex my intuition and roll with things in the moment in spite of it being low.}}
ESTp use their ability to perceive attitudes and motivations to get what they want out of people. Having a strong flair for drama and style, they're very good at manipulating the truth and improvising to suit the situation. They can be extremely charming initially. However, they will eventually squeeze all the fun and energy out of relationships. As boredom sets in, their sensual nature becomes more earthy, caring little about the effect their words have on you. Their fast-paced lives will leave many friends in the dust.
ESTp approach intimacy from a shallow, physical perspective rather than from any depth of affection. They may verbally express words of affection during intimacy but never really mean any of them. They do not care what others are feeling unless they're after something, and when they get it, they usually won't express any gratitude - it's like a conquest. For them, actions speak louder than words, and words, other than their own, are irrelevant. People who require affirmation should avoid ESTp. The gift that an ESTp will give to an old friend is a toy with which they have finished playing, or one which needs a partner. They consider gifts more like tools that are reserved for gaining new conquests.
The ESTp needs to keep moving, and will place much effort into ensuring (s)he is not restricted or confined. They feel stifled and unhappy when dealing with routine chores. However, they get very excited about new endeavours, and have the ability to motivate abettors (lemmings towards the sea). Although they have talent for getting many things started, ESTp finish little. If one starts a project or relationship with an ESTp, expect to have to provide all the follow-through.
ESTp are one of the most exciting but challenging types to be around. They immerse themselves in risky situations providing non-stop action, and will suck you along with them. They are competitors that want to beat everybody into the ground - especially their old friends. They are drawn toward games of skill that offer an opportunity to defeat others. This, coupled with their tendency to cheat, makes them formidable opponents. Their own sense of personal integrity has the theme: "my way is the only way". Their rash enthusiasm and excitement-loving nature toward risk make them dangerous companions.
You know you're in the realm of an ESTp when every flat surface is piled with "borrowed" items and junk.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
I don't like "soft" vibing men, do you? And if so, what's the appeal.
Yes, I prefer them. The appeal is that they're more energetically compatible with me. And because my style is a bit more on the perimeters of gender norms for women, it creates a familiar feeling for me when the other person has comparable experience in the male version.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
The reason why it's Fi polr is you crossed a boundary by insulting a person before establishing a friendly relation with them.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Yeah! And also, I assumed that how people acted on the outside was a reflection of how people are feeling about each other (I thought "insulting people = people are friends who like each other"). But actually, it's not a bad thing for a guy to sound like a girl lol... and he really really sounded like a girl. Since I didn't really believe it was bad, I guess it was like a joking insult. Eventually the guy realized that I didn't mean it seriously I think...
I always say awkward things like that without thinking about the normal circumstances in a relationship where it would be appropriate or what it implies.............
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Why does the Insane Clown Posse have a subculture, and fans in general?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
I'm able to observe relations and from what I can tell you do have a magnetic charm (I hope this doesn't embarrass you
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What do you think of men with high Se when you meet them? How do you feel when interacting with them?
What do you think of men with high Ni when you meet them? How do you feel when interacting with them?
Are you a lesbian? Do you often think about such things?
Would you consider yourself to be masculine? How do you feel when people tell you that you are (if they do)?
What do you think of "feminists" (the boring delta NF kind of ones)?
Would you consider yourself to be promiscuous?
Thank you for answering, you are lovely.
This is excellent. Nice thread !
Do you like to make others laugh?
are you for or against p.d.a.?
when you find "him" does he draw and focus your usually dispersed attention?
can you say no to people who ask for your help?
do you feel bad when you cant?
are you everybodies favorite?
do you try to be?
not to minimize your experience but at 22 do you even know what Ni even is?
and then how does he make you act, like yourself or unlike yourself. (Realizing this is probably a strange question for you)
your worst fatal flaw? (Habit)
whats "eefeminate" to you? You mentioned it already several times.
Why do you exist?
The whole question sounds random and maybe even "leading".and then how does he make you act, like yourself or unlike yourself. (Realizing this is probably a strange question for you)
Which aspect of this question did you think would be strange?
Best answer I've read here in a long time.The mechanism is not "how he makes me act". From my internal experience, I become aware of myself being hyper-like-myself. Or to make it clearer, it's like seeing my own reflection for the first time in my life, and feeling surprise and gladness that I'm there in this universe. And it's amazing because I'm not alone. And it's not a physical mirror. It's invisible yet the knowing is felt deeply throughout my being, and I know he feels it too. When I "move", he spontaneously moves and understands, and vice versa. It's a synergetic completeness, and a crisp, illuminating awareness of exactly what I am.
When you say "weightless" what exactly do you mean? I feel weightless. I would hope that we maintain a passionate love that is like a fire that consumes all the oxygen and makes everyone else suffocate. Something like you and I floating around in space, sans oxygen, and staring into each others eyes for an indefinite period. Our love could be the oxygen in space. Our intimacy, the warmth we need to sustain us in the cold outer space.
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
I loled and almost drooled
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.