ESTj Description by I/O

[wacey]

Always give an explanation before criticizing please. It greatly annoys me when people shoot down someone else's statement without providing reasoning or backing as to why they are wrong.

The last two sentences of that post are totally wrong for delta STs. There is no latent aggression, competitiveness, and confrontational nature to them. Especially not in ISTps, and certainly the same could be said of LSEs. I don't know where you are basing that off of? I hope its not the red head character from The Walking Dead?

And to speak about Si being consciouslly and therefore implicitly strained function for someone like say an SLI, shows your as yet lack of understanding into that sociotype.

[Muddy]

The last two sentences of that post are totally wrong for delta STs. There is no latent aggression, competitiveness, and confrontational nature to them. Especially not in ISTps, and certainly the same could be said of LSEs. I don't know where you are basing that off of? I hope its not the red head character from The Walking Dead?

And to speak about Si being consciouslly and therefore implicitly strained function for someone like say an SLI, shows your as yet lack of understanding into that sociotype.

Then we will simply have to disagree, same goes for @thehotelambush. The redhead character from the Walking Dead IS a shining example of a typical LSE. Yes, he is an acted character, but I've seen others in real life who very closely mimicked his personality and I'm only using him as an example. What would you type him? He is not SLE, I can tell you that much. I don't have as much experience with SLI so I can't speak for them, but I believe it is a similar case with them just not as extreme as LSE. I do not believe the IEs simply "go away" when they are placed in the Id, but rather then manifest in a more primitive, instinctual form. Model A sucks IMO.

Beta ST aggression is manifested in more of a "Lets go to Nam and smoke some chincs" kind of way, while Delta ST aggression manifest more as going into a rage and engaging in domestic abuse. Look at the Delta VI thread and tell me you don't get a vibe of domestic abuse from them. I'm am not attempting to bash deltas by the way but the idea that they are angels because of having Si in the ego is very wrong.

[Exodus]

Beta ST aggression is manifested in more a "Lets go to Nam and smoke some chincs" kind of way, while Delta ST aggression manifest more as going into a rage and engaging in domestic abuse. Look at the Delta VI thread and tell me you don't get a vibe of domestic abuse from them. I'm am not attempting to bash deltas by the way but the idea that they are angels because of having Si in the ego is very wrong.

Model A is really deep and beautiful if you take the time to understand it. The descriptions you've given are offensive and crude by comparison.

The Id functions are something we use mostly for ourselves, as a tool. However, we don't let them get in the way of our Ego functions (as, say, engaging in violence on a regular basis would do with ), and they yield easily when others signal that they're not wanted.

[Muddy]

Model A is really deep and beautiful if you take the time to understand it. The descriptions you've given are offensive and crude by comparison.

The Id functions are something we use mostly for ourselves, as a tool. However, we don't let them get in the way of our Ego functions (as, say, engaging in violence on a regular basis would do with ), and they yield easily when others signal that they're not wanted.

I realize my descriptions might be a tad bit offensive but my main objective is to get the main point across in the clearest way possible and to do that I need to forgo political correctness.

I used to think of the Id as just being used for own goals as well but this has left to many unanswered holes in the behavior of the types and thus I now think the Id plays plays a much more central role in the behavior of they types. My understating of socionics is constantly evolving (which is why I haven't subscribed to a type yet, I don't want to type myself until I understand all the types 100% and rid my viewpoints of stereotypes), I will also admit that not all my past comments have been 100% correct, so feel free to disagree, but currently I think model A is filled with unanswered gaps and doesn't fully penetrate the essence of the types.

[Exodus]

I realize my descriptions might be a tad bit offensive but my main objective is to get the main point across in the clearest way possible and to do that I need to forgo political correctness.

I used to think of the Id as just being used for own goals as well but this has left to many unanswered holes in the behavior of the types and thus I now think the Id plays plays a much more central role in the behavior of they types. My understating of socionics is constantly evolving (which is why I haven't subscribed to a type yet, I don't want to type myself until I understand all the types 100% and rid my viewpoints of stereotypes), I will also admit that not all my past comments have been 100% correct, so feel free to disagree, but currently I think model A is filled with unanswered gaps and doesn't fully penetrate the essence of the types.

You can't understand the types 100% before you type yourself. You understand the types by typing people. No wonder you don't get Model A.

[Beautiful sky]

You can't understand the types 100% before you type yourself. You understand the types by typing people. No wonder you don't get Model A.

He understands socionics model better than you do

[duality is cringe]

He understands socionics model better than you do

Such ether.

[Muddy]

You can't understand the types 100% before you type yourself. You understand the types by typing people. No wonder you don't get Model A.

I am certain I am introverted and logical so I'm not completely clueless in regards to my own type, however I prefer to fully explore all the nuances before firmly deciding on a specific type, as a sort of safety measure. Understanding yourself only gives you the understanding of one type, there are still many more types and subtypes you will have to learn and the only way to to do that is by observing other people. And to be sure own of your own you type you need to observe others of the same type to make sure you act in a similar way they do.

[Exodus]

I am certain I am introverted and logical so I'm not completely clueless in regards to my own type, however I prefer to fully explore all the nuances before firmly deciding on a specific type, as a sort of safety measure. Understanding yourself only gives you the understanding of one type, there are still many more types and subtypes you will have to learn and the only way to to do that is by observing other people. And to be sure own of your own you type you need to observe others of the same type to make sure you act in a similar way they do.

Not really. You may observe people of the same type that don't appear all that similar.

But it's important to figure out your type so that you can use your reactions to information and other people to help distinguish the IM elements / types. I mean really, you're the person you know the most about so it should guide your typings of others rather than the other way around.

[wacey]

Then we will simply have to disagree, same goes for @thehotelambush. The redhead character from the Walking Dead IS a shining example of a typical LSE. Yes, he is an acted character, but I've seen others in real life who very closely mimicked his personality and I'm only using him as an example. What would you type him? He is not SLE, I can tell you that much. I don't have as much experience with SLI so I can't speak for them, but I believe it is a similar case with them just not as extreme as LSE. I do not believe the IEs simply "go away" when they are placed in the Id, but rather then manifest in a more primitive, instinctual form. Model A sucks IMO.

Beta ST aggression is manifested in more of a "Lets go to Nam and smoke some chincs" kind of way, while Delta ST aggression manifest more as going into a rage and engaging in domestic abuse. Look at the Delta VI thread and tell me you don't get a vibe of domestic abuse from them. I'm am not attempting to bash deltas by the way but the idea that they are angels because of having Si in the ego is very wrong.

Alright man, think whatever you want to think its a free world.

Regarding Red head, I think he has Ne polr, not agenda. So Se-LSI.

[Muddy]

Alright man, think whatever you want to think its a free world.

Regarding Red head, I think he has Ne polr, not agenda. So Se-LSI.

Wouldn't you agree his energy level is more the level of that of an extrovert? We see him in that section where the others want to call off the wall construction and then he says "screw that" and keeps chugging along like a machine, all the while actively moving objects and people around with 4D TeSe. There is also the section were he pretty obviously displays Ni polr when he fails to predict rather or not the camper has enough gas to reach the destination. LSI is more like Rick, whom's energy aura is sharper and but less intense then the LSE's.