I already logically proved it.
Also, pi.
Yes
No
I'm not sure.
It doesn't matter
I already logically proved it.
Also, pi.
You cannot prove the supernatural, it is oxymoronic. And god's moral failings are even more problematic.Originally Posted by Jeremy8419
This is partly true since the experiences are often subjective. I mean aren't you glad we don't have supernatural beings running around earth doing whatever they want Supernatural style? Even in Supernatural most humans are blissfully unaware of being pawns in a game. hah
Some things cannot be unknown.
Seriously though, the only way to prove it is if something happens right in front of someone else. Say all the cabinet doors open and there is no disputing it. You both agree it happened. They are not automatic/electronic. Just regular cabinets. The problem is telling the stories to others.
Example: I was home alone one day (years ago), doors locked (I always lock when alone) vacuuming a room. I remembered I needed to grab something from the other room.I got what I needed and came back. The cannister from my vacuum was gone and there was a little round pile of dirt on the floor with a brush beside it. The brush had been attached to the side. There was no more dirt anywhere else but that small pile.
I looked all around until I saw that it was in the living room with the top still attached. I was a bit scared and my first thought was, "did I do this and don't remember?" because I am not sure that physics allow for it to pop out on it's own, climb a step, and end up about 18 ft, roughly, from where it started. The carpet edge in the other room would have limited the roll distance before it reached it's final resting place. Also how the hell did it jump a step on a hard floor...
All this was racing through my mind. Believe It when I say I was looking for rational explanations. I was gone a minute, or two, tops. I checked doors, still locked. No one was home. I asked the two people who lived there, at the time, if they were messing with me when they got home. They swore they would not do that knowing my history. I was practically crying at this point so I believed them.
As of now, as far as I am concerned, I have filed this under, "unexplainable, perhaps supernatural activity". I gave up on knowing what really happened that day. I have had so many types of experiences like this that it would be pointless to give them any more attention than I already have. I grew up with stuff like this happening. Things moving around, disappearing and appearing, doors opening and closing on their own, strange sounds and sometimes voices whispering. I have mentioned before that I have been diagnosed with various conditions (not full schizophrenia though) just for telling people outside my family about these things.
Back to the vacuum incident of 2005, I seriously thought I was going crazy so I posted to a metaphysical group and got all kinds of responses. Primarily that it was spirits playing with me but other people kind of reinforced my thinking I was going crazy by telling me I did it and just didn't remember. There was a good reason that they may have thought that too. Something I have shared here before but do not want to talk about. I ended up going with the with the spirits idea at that time. Aliens were also suggested but between the two I went with spirits. It was better than the alternatives to me.
Moral of the story, keep it to yourself unless you are talking to people, of like mind, who are interested in exploring unusual, possibly supernatural phenomenon. If someone else is with you keep it between you unless it is with people as previously mentioned. Do this because people are naturally skeptics, when it comes to certain supernatural experiences, yet believe in something that has never been seen by a human eye like god. The reactions I get when telling most christians about this stuff is, it didn't happen and my mind played tricks on me or it was demons. bleh No thanks to the demon theory.
I am also a skeptic to other people's experiences of the supernatural sort which may come off hypocritical but I can truly only vouch for my own or if I am a witness to someone else's. I am a optimistic skeptic but I also want to believe that someone would not make up something like that and present it as true. I want to know that they actually believe it happened and not purposely making things up for money or whatever. Write a fiction book or something if it is just a made up story. I might even read it but I do not want to be tricked into believing something that didn't happen.
When I watch horror movies I am often thinking rationally. When you hear growling or other strange sounds in your house do not look for them in the basement, alone, in the dark. Do not stay in the house if furniture or other items are rearranged or actually move. That stuff scares me in the movies but in real life, even if I am scared, I will investigate strange sounds and things disappearing or doors opening or slamming shut. I go toward them instead of run away. As a child I would run and hide under blankets though. hahah These days I tell myself stuff like doors and windows rattling are only the wind. Even if it isn't windy. It is more comforting to think it is the wind but in the back of my mind I know something else is up. I just can't explain what it is even to my satisfaction.
As I write this my text keeps disappearing when I go to post it, similar to how my tv kept turning off when I was trying to post in this thread the other day. I know from experience that when I speak of the supernatural I need to keep a backup copyEach time it disappears it is like I know I am supposed to keep clarifying and adding information. I am actually not even freaked out about it.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
This is partly true since the experiences are often subjective. I mean aren't you glad we don't have supernatural beings running around earth doing whatever they want Supernatural style? Even in Supernatural most humans are blissfully unaware of being pawns in a game. hah
Some things cannot be unknown.
that is an incredible story.
I would say that those who seek to explain things through explanations they label "supernatural" are rather narrow-minded. They must be, if they limit themselves to explanations that are not possible, nevermind capable of being observed.
I think in situations like that, it is very difficult, because you would naturally doubt your own sanity, and would feel rather helpless and at a lost about what you should do. You would of course fear what others would think if you told them, and that it might be something that is liable to repeat itself in the future.
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Mmhmm, but, thankfully I enjoy my brand of insanity, and have a special grip on it, other people's, not always as much.
I would say that those who seek to explain things through explanations they label "supernatural" are rather narrow-minded. They must be, if they limit themselves to explanations that are not possible, nevermind capable of being observed.
I think in situations like that, it is very difficult, because you would naturally doubt your own sanity, and would feel rather helpless and at a lost about what you should do. You would of course fear what others would think if you told them, and that it might be something that is liable to repeat itself in the future.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I've enjoyed reading people's responses...it's cool to see where people stand, and why.
To answer the question myself: I consider myself agnostic. I kinda-sorta do believe in god, but I am self-aware enough to wonder how much of that belief is because of how much I want there to be a god. I have had some experiences that make me believe in god, but then again I look at the cruelty people face without comfort, at least in this life, and that people commit seemingly without consequences, at least in this life, and I question god's existence (or, if god does exist, god's morality). I also find it annoying when people say things like god helped them build a business or conceive a child or do whatever, since at the very same time that god, should he/she/it exist, is neglecting or ignoring tremendous pain in the lives of so many other lives.
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I have a question for those of you who believe in the definite existence or nonexistence of god: does it bother you when people believe the opposite? And why or why not?
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"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
It bothers me greatly. I consider the whole topic of god a total waste of time. It typically focuses far too much on whether god actually exists, rather than on whether it is moral and worth worshiping. I find it horrific that the Abrahamic god has been normalised into our society, to the extent that genocide can be rationalised and Damnation justified. It is despicable that such religions are seen as fundamentally humane.
To a lesser extent, I am also bothered by the time spent arguing against those who insist that god exists despite being utterly unable to provide any demonstration:- to such people, their idea of god is vague but typically invokes a being with supernatural powers that they have seen evidence of. I find this deeply frustrating, as highlighted in this thread: the simple truth is, god does not work as a hypothesis, nevermind as a confirmed force of nature (to be a hypothesis, god would have to be a possible explanation of nature in accordance with previously made observations. To define your god as being outside or [/i]greater[/i] than nature is pure nonsense. It is certainly not something to base a system of "ethics" on, whereby if you do not believe in this being, you will be Damned. Those who believe in the doctrine of Damnation should understand that not only do they believe in the justification of great evil, they wish suffering on those who have very good reason not to believe, both physically and morally.
Why do you think religious wars exist?
I call myself batyote and I fight crime at night.
I wouldn't say I'm bothered. I look at it as an opportunity for discussion. I don't particularly enjoy discussions of conflict, but I do enjoy discussions of depth. These things are important to discuss. The death rate in life 100%. I would argue that your answer to this question is one of the most important things about you.
As for the discussion of evidence, The Bible was written over the span of 1500 years with 40 difference authors across different locations, all containing consistent and precise lineage, thoughts, and prophecy. This is so overwhelming that it stands as remarkable evidence that something greater than man is at play here.
And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and gone tomorrow, won't he more surely care for you?- Matthew 6:30
The bible was probably mostly written in the 6th century B.C., with bits added on up until the end of the 2nd century A.D.
I would not consider the internal chronology of the bible to be remarkable. There are several different chronologies, especially for the period relating to the Exodus through to the Judges. I also think it is very easy to write a prophecy after the fact, and that writing a "prophecy" also makes it easier for someone to fulfill it. As it is, there are many good reasons that the figure commonly known as Jesus Christ was not the person "prophesied" in Jeremiah: the Messiah he prophesied only makes sense in the context of the Persian invasion of 607 BC.
People are in different places in their life. It doesn't upset me when people have different views. I don't love people based on their religious beliefs I love them because of who they are.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Do you believe in Hell Maritsa?
Why are you nitpicking at me?
Answer: no
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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