Reasons duals fall out / split / encounter difficulties

[Distance]

People break up when they don't share the same love language.

We stop communicating, our values differ, we then disagree on them. When we are disagreeable the intimacy is lost, you feel detached. It spirals out in a fall.

• Goals differ
• Goals for children differ
• In law conflicts
• Money management
• Religious customs
• Who works
• Who manages the house
• How much quality time with each other is spent

It's like anything else, nothing in common, no common ground, and estrangement.

Wait until you become mature, meaning you know yourself, and relationships form instinctually. You feel it is right.

That's all you can do in a gamble.

[Minde]

Hahaha, I opened this thread thinking "That's an interesting title" and turns out I started it.

[thistle]

Perhaps allowing (negative) influences from media or social groups to cause you to doubt what you have, for whatever reason. A push for perfectionism and to aim for what is ideal, whatever you have decided that to be.

It was mentioned earlier on in this thread - "How do you know when you can’t do any better?", which would lead to a possibly endless search.
That can be behind one person breaking a relationship off from another.

Stubbornly resisting your dual's offers/gestures to take on the workload that relates to your mobilising and suggestive functions.
If you want to do it all yourself, you can be resisting to be cared for by them.

[Lord Pixel]

because they are people.

[Ruby13357]

I think I've had a dual best friend before, but we had a fallout with each other. Anyway I've recently realised they were an EIE. They were very bubbly, the "life of the party", their laughter is often so loud it's able to ring through the entire room, and their speech is often filled with negativist statements, one of their favorite negativist phrases that they would use frequently is "Not bad" etc.

For a long time, I thought this person was my semi-dual, but I realised that duals would make more sense for our IR, because semi-duals would have difficulty closing the psychological distance as compared to duals, and it would be a lot harder to become best friends with a semi-dual than a dual.

With my EIE ex-friend, we actually became best friends pretty quickly, and we became best friends within the first few months we met each other.

But duals are also like from two different planets and they think very differently from each other. As much as we get along with each other, our differences eventually drove us apart and we eventually had a huge fallout and we went our separate ways forever.

Despite having fallen out with each other, I'll sometimes still reminisce over this friendship. This EIE is probably the one-and-only best friend I've ever had in my entire life. We were so close to each other that even when she was out on dates with some guy she will still text me to chit-chat with me during her date.

These days, I feel like I don't have a best friend anymore.

Although I've still had some other IEI and EII friends whom I was also pretty close friends with, but my friendship with them doesn't feel the same as the one I had with the EIE, I don't have a best friend anymore.

[Enters Laughing]

There's no evidence that duals have better relationships than other pairings.

[BrainlessSquid]

There's no evidence that duals have better relationships than other pairings.

There's no evidence that there's no evidence

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

There's no evidence that there's no evidence

Lmaooo

That's a good one. Haven't heard that response before. Pretty creative.

[Enters Laughing]

There's no evidence that there's no evidence

A clever response would have been to present evidence for Socionics, else others will assume you don't have any.

The fact that none has been presented is very good evidence of this, in addition to there apparently being no organization running any scientifically rigorous investigation of sufficient scope and scale. That there has been no creation of a standardized instrument for Socionics rather gets in the way of this, aside from anything else.

[BrainlessSquid]

A clever response would have been to present evidence for Socionics, else others will assume you don't have any.

The fact that none has been presented is very good evidence of this, in addition to there apparently being no organization running any scientifically rigorous investigation of sufficient scope and scale. That there has been no creation of a standardized instrument for Socionics rather gets in the way of this, aside from anything else.

You know that absence of proof is no proof of absence right?
You didn't ask for evidence for Socionics, you asked for evidence of duality being better. Socionics is an evidence. That's pretty obvious. The fact that there's a whole theory trying to explain relationships and puts duality as a holy grail of relationships is evidence, deal with it.
You are just caught up in the fallacy of lack of evidence.
Not gonna answer further arguments, cause this discussion is boring as hell. I'm not here for scientific knowledge.

[Enters Laughing]

You know that absence of proof is no proof of absence right?

That's not applicable here, as Socionics has no standardized instrument, so no evidence can be collected of something that has not be adequately defined.

You didn't ask for evidence for Socionics, you asked for evidence of duality being better. Socionics is an evidence. That's pretty obvious. The fact that there's a whole theory trying to explain relationships and puts duality as a holy grail of relationships is evidence, deal with it.
You are just caught up in the fallacy of lack of evidence.
Not gonna answer further arguments, cause this discussion is boring as hell. I'm not here for scientific knowledge.

Duality is a concept in Socionics. As Socionics has no standardized instrument even, there is necessarily an absence of evidence.

Socionics isn't a theory. It isn't even a hypothesis. To be a hypothesis, it must be an explanation of observed phenomena, but Socionics cannot be this, as the types have not been defined through a standardized instrument.

[adage]

Mistypings.

I'm joking but it can happen people will type someone they find attractive as a dual without other reason than attraction. Rose colored glasses can make a mess.

[Ikite iru]

Mistypings.

I'm joking but it can happen people will type someone they find attractive as a dual without other reason than attraction. Rose colored glasses can make a mess.

Your point is extremly common. An ethical type with a new partner will be absolutely convinced that one is his or her dual. It's not like people evaluate things neutrally when they are in love. From a theoretical perspective, your dual is your opposite. You most likely don't even hang around in the same environment

[Crink]

Each dual dyad has their specific flavor of splitting. Each dual program is different. It usually revolves around general personality deficits that you can see inherent in each type.

[Adam Strange]

I was with an ESI dual for just over three years. We were perfect sub-type matches, her ESI-Fi to my LIE-Te, and great enneagram matches, her e6 to my e8. But I just broke it off.

She liked me, and told me that she needed my help from time to time, and we were definitely sexually compatible, but she really didn't seem all that interested in being in a relationship. She just didn't reach out.



I'm not sure if she just wasn't alert to the fact that some people can be Duals. Plus, her mother and father were both Aphas. (Her father was a philandering ESE, and her mother was either LII or, possibly, LSI, her older sister was LSI and her older brother was SLI, so she was an all-alone Gamma in enemy territory. Her parents constantly criticized her, and that bent the twig pretty far.)
She'd had two very unsuccessful marriages, the first to an SEE and the second to an LSI, so she had no idea what life with an LIE could be like, and didn't seem to be interested in (or capable of) finding out.

Oh, well.

Next!

[Sol]

if I happened to point out discrepancies in his logic he would accuse me of lying/making things up

Inadequate and touchy behavior after criticism in strong region, more to say from that one who has that as weak region and should be trusted as being friendly - is doubtful.

"until you try to mentally fuck with me one too many times, and then I will create psychological hell for you to humble you"

Dual should acts in borders of your understanding for appropriate.

Such "duals" are doubtful to satisfy you.
If you want to find good pair and have NF type indeed - you'd better felt people which fit to your understanding of being possible good friends for you. To correctly understand Jung type of surfacely known people can be harder approach for you.

Having this "open-minded, empathetic, and accepting" - tune to a human, imagine perceiving the world as him and such understand how good you feel being in such "mind joining". You should not feel in too alien state and too tired in it, - you should to feel significantly _better_ than in your common state, when you in such tuned mode.
Subteigh recently said the idea that Socionics is better to not be used. When I see how it's often doubtfully used I agree with him. Try common, natural for you way. While to use logical models to understand people is natural for T types, especially TS.