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    Serious Left-Static Negativist Eliza Thomason's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    .... It was Martin Luther's lifework to translate* the Bible and make it widely available to the common people, after all.
    And also REMOVE some of those pesky books of scripture that did not agree with his ideas of how things should be... (because he knew what was best for those common people).

    *There were twenty-seven editions of the Bible in German before Luther published his own translation.

    More on Luther - not the mythical hero he is esteemed to be, but a complex and oftimes very strange man:
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    And also REMOVE some of those pesky books of scripture that did not agree with his ideas of how things should be... (because he knew what was best for those common people).

    *There were twenty-seven editions of the Bible in German before Luther published his own translation.

    More on Luther - not the mythical hero he is esteemed to be, but a complex and oftimes very strange man:
    Why did "the Church" take so long to translate the bible into regional languages (and even longer to translate into a form that the layperson could understand)? It was only because of the external force of Protestantism that they actually got round to it at all.

    Attacking Luther is not especially meaningful: you are attacking someone who had faults, but who was "less bad" than the Church (certainly far less evil than many of the Popes at the time), and actually understood Christian theology better than the Catholic hierarchy did.

    Also, as we've discussed before, what the Catholics consider part of the bible was only actually formerly determined around the time of Luther, more than 15 centuries after the alleged time of Jesus. Further, with things like the Catechism of the Catholic Church: what are considered core Catholic teachings are actually longer than the bible itself, which illustrates well about the sort of indulgence Luther campaigned against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    And also REMOVE some of those pesky books of scripture that did not agree with his ideas of how things should be... (because he knew what was best for those common people).
    What books did he remove and what information did they include? Besides, the catholic priests only told the people what was convenient for them, so they're not any better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    *There were twenty-seven editions of the Bible in German before Luther published his own translation.
    I know it wasn't the first translation, but the most important one. Its success was heavily boosted by the printing press, Luther's activism and the interests of the wordly nobles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    More on Luther - not the mythical hero he is esteemed to be, but a complex and oftimes very strange man:
    He was also an outspoken antisemite and a sexist. But back in the day, everyone was. It's hardly fair to measure people according to today's standards.

    If you're looking for a more moral and egalitarian contemporary with similar goals try Thomas Müntzer.
    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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